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Tropical Storm Isaac, Part 1: Moving Through The Eastern Caribbean Sea


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956 and bombing... Look out. Idk if I buy a track like this yet as the system is moving more WNW right now. 0z will be telling with actual fixed plot.

Don't know if I buy the strength(if it indeed goes that way). Certainly possible with the crazy warm SST's, but shear from the trough would likely be an issue, too.

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Don't know if I buy the strength(if it indeed goes that way). Certainly possible with the crazy warm SST's, but shear from the trough would likely be an issue, too.

Doesn't look like it would be heavily sheared in this solution.

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Don't know if I buy the strength(if it indeed goes that way). Certainly possible with the crazy warm SST's, but shear from the trough would likely be an issue, too.

I would be hesitant too if this were 3-5 years ago when the operational models were bombing every swirl out there....but the tweaking of the models recently has reduce the model porn substantially.....

....so the million dollar question is: Does that add weight/value to such a solution at this point?

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Product: Air Force Vortex Message (URNT12 KNHC)

Transmitted: 21st day of the month at 19:08Z

Aircraft: Air Force Aircraft (Last 3 digits of the tail number are 307)

Tropical Depression: Number 9 (flight in the North Atlantic basin)

Mission Number: 1 seeall.png

Observation Number: 09

A. Time of Center Fix: 21st day of the month at 18:58:40Z

B. Center Fix Coordinates: 15°20'N 53°20'W (15.3333N 53.3333W) viewmap.png

B. Center Fix Location: 448 miles (722 km) to the ENE (70°) from Bridgetown, Barbados.

C. Minimum Height at Standard Level: Not Available

D. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind: 40kts (~ 46.0mph)

E. Location of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind: 20 nautical miles (23 statute miles) to the ENE (61°) of center fix

F. Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: From 146° at 44kts (From between the SE and SSE at ~ 50.6mph)

G. Location of Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: 21 nautical miles (24 statute miles) to the ENE (60°) of center fix

H. Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 1005mb (29.68 inHg) - Extrapolated

I. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Outside Eye: 23°C (73°F) at a pressure alt. of 242m (794ft)

J. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Inside Eye: 25°C (77°F) at a pressure alt. of 246m (807ft)

K. Dewpoint Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 25°C (77°F)

K. Sea Surface Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): Not Available

L. Eye Character: Not Available

M. Eye Shape: Not Available

N. Fix Determined By: Penetration, Radar, Wind, Pressure and Temperature

N. Fix Level: 1,500 feet

O. Navigation Fix Accuracy: 0.02 nautical miles

O. Meteorological Accuracy: 0 nautical miles

Remarks Section - Remarks That Were Decoded...

Maximum Flight Level Wind: 44kts (~ 50.6mph) in the northeast quadrant at 18:51:00Z

Sea Level Pressure Extrapolation From: Below 1,500 feet

Remarks Section - Additional Remarks...

PRELIMINARY, DO NOT RETRANSMIT

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I will lead you to the promise land my friend! ;)

:hug:

The Euro solution would make you look pretty good right now.

I remember you from past years. No, 09L is not going to Charleston.

:D

I would be hesitant too if this were 3-5 years ago when the operational models were bombing every swirl out there....but the tweaking of the models recently has reduce the model porn substantially.....

....so the million dollar question is: Does that add weight/value to such a solution at this point?

Yeah, exactly. Also, while the exact intensity indicated should be taken with a grain of salt-- of course-- it's just significant in my mind because I believe it's the first time this season we've seen the Euro show a really strong, deep cyclone in the basin. That's gotta count for something.

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Product: Air Force Vortex Message (URNT12 KNHC)

Transmitted: 21st day of the month at 19:17Z

Aircraft: Air Force Aircraft (Last 3 digits of the tail number are 307)

Tropical Depression: Number 9 (flight in the North Atlantic basin)

Mission Number: 1

Observation Number: 09

A. Time of Center Fix: 21st day of the month at 18:58:40Z

B. Center Fix Coordinates: 15°20'N 53°20'W (15.3333N 53.3333W)

B. Center Fix Location: 448 miles (722 km) to the ENE (70°) from Bridgetown, Barbados.

C. Minimum Height at Standard Level: Not Available

D. Estimated (by SFMR or visually) Maximum Surface Wind: 40kts (~ 46.0mph)

E. Location of the Estimated Maximum Surface Wind: 20 nautical miles (23 statute miles) to the ENE (61°) of center fix

F. Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: From 146° at 44kts (From between the SE and SSE at ~ 50.6mph)

G. Location of Maximum Flight Level Wind Inbound: 21 nautical miles (24 statute miles) to the ENE (60°) of center fix

H. Minimum Sea Level Pressure: 1005mb (29.68 inHg) - Extrapolated

I. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Outside Eye: 24°C (75°F) at a pressure alt. of 304m (997ft)

J. Maximum Flight Level Temp & Pressure Altitude Inside Eye: 25°C (77°F) at a pressure alt. of 246m (807ft)

K. Dewpoint Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): 25°C (77°F)

K. Sea Surface Temp (collected at same location as temp inside eye): Not Available

L. Eye Character: Not Available

M. Eye Shape: Not Available

N. Fix Determined By: Penetration, Radar, Wind and Pressure

N. Fix Level: 1,500 feet

O. Navigation Fix Accuracy: 0.02 nautical miles

O. Meteorological Accuracy: 2.5 nautical miles

Remarks Section - Remarks That Were Decoded...

Maximum Flight Level Wind: 44kts (~ 50.6mph) in the northeast quadrant at 18:51:00Z

Sea Level Pressure Extrapolation From: Below 1,500 feet

Remarks Section - Additional Remarks...

SPIRAL BAND

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:hug:

The Euro solution would make you look pretty good right now.

:D

Yeah, exactly. Also, while the exact intensity indicated should be taken with a grain of salt-- of course-- it's just significant in my mind because I believe it's the first time this season we've seen the Euro show a really strong, deep cyclone in the basin. That's gotta count for something.

It's not just the Euro though....all the other ops have "flicked" the switch on this one, irregardless of the postion (EC, FL straits, GOM) It's the only reason I made a map!! :)

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Indeed... and even better news for you, the latest models may indicate limited effects from Hispañola. Still, of course, that island is the biggest question.

This. Its really hard to get a good gauge on what happens post-Hispaniola, although the trend has certainly been for a further west solution.

Don't know if I buy the strength(if it indeed goes that way). Certainly possible with the crazy warm SST's, but shear from the trough would likely be an issue, too.

What trough? I don't see anything in the ECMWF that is digging substantially in the United States beyond day 7. The long range ECMWF has a very favorable pattern over TD#9 in the day 8-10 time frame, although this is well out in la-la land.

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I think the biggest forecasting challenge while looking at models with this system is trying to gauge the Euro's performance so far this year with respect to overdoing ridges and applying it to the solutions it is providing for Isaac... and making sure the GFS isn't underdoing the ridge with respect to its past performances.

Btw:

AL, 09, 2012082118, , BEST, 0, 153N, 532W, 35, 1005, TS, 34, NEQ, 40, 0, 0, 0, 1011, 250, 25, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, NINE, M,

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This. Its really hard to get a good gauge on what happens post-Hispaniola, although the trend has certainly been for a further west solution.

What trough? I don't see anything in the ECMWF that is digging substantially in the United States beyond day 7. The long range ECMWF has a very favorable pattern over TD#9 in the day 8-10 time frame, although this is well out in la-la land.

Absolutely. However, like the old EF Hutton commercials...when the Euro starts throwing bombs out there...."people listen!"

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This. Its really hard to get a good gauge on what happens post-Hispaniola, although the trend has certainly been for a further west solution.

What trough? I don't see anything in the ECMWF that is digging substantially in the United States beyond day 7. The long range ECMWF has a very favorable pattern over TD#9 in the day 8-10 time frame, although this is well out in la-la land.

Yeah, it's retreating at that point. It's an interesting run, that's for sure.

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Per the latest loop here..it seems that We have Issac...Latest Recon indicates a 40kt wind and 44kts in the NE Quadrant and pressure down to 1005mb TS Issac at 5pm? Also per loop,seems that the tstorms are begining to wrap all the way around with less shear then earlier today. Just my two cents.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/flash-rb.html

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Considering we're seeing flareups of convection in the middle of the day, tonight during the diurnal max could be very interesting. Development has been remarkably quick since last evening.

Agree. The center is now back under decent convection. Dmax should really boost Isaac up. I am thinking 60 mph if not 65 by 11am.

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What are the chances this gets shredded by Hispaniola? I know a few of the models show that scenario. It is already a bit North if were you want it for it to miss significant land interaction once it gets beyond PR.

I would put it at a greater than 50% chance, it's only chance is to go south but the stronger it gets the further north it will go, and the center of the track is along southern Hispaniola. This one reminds me a little of Debby, which was hyped to hit Florida and then get shredded, whatever year that was.

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