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Upstate NY/North Country + adjacent ON, QC, VT: Meteorological fall is here


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.95" here. Top wind was 36 mph, but that was around 9pm.

More interesting is the battle of the meteorologists. One station calling out the other

on the "over hype" of yesterdays possible severe weather.

:popcorn:

Well NWS/SPC have to take some heat for it too w/ the TORNADO WATCH which was NOT warranted IMO.

To try and predict brief spinups is very difficult at best made even more difficult with a rapidly moving QLCS where if a tornado happens they are nearly always very shortlived. Its a damned if you do damned if you don't situation for sure. By the time the warning comes out the tornado (if it was really one) is often gone.

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Well NWS/SPC have to take some heat for it too w/ the TORNADO WATCH which was NOT warranted IMO.

To try and predict brief spinups is very difficult at best made even more difficult with a rapidly moving QLCS where if a tornado happens they are nearly always very shortlived. Its a damned if you do damned if you don't situation for sure. By the time the warning comes out the tornado (if it was really one) is often gone.

I agree. It was shocking that they even issues that. But, hey, if they put one up, they have to tell everyone about it.

No way around that.

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NWS ALB mentions snow for I believe the first time of the season in their forecast discussion from earlier this afternoon:

.LONG TERM /SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY/...

AS OF 335 PM EDT THURSDAY...WET/CLDY CONDITIONS EXPECTED FOR MUCH

OF THE EXTENDED PERIOD AS BROAD UPPER LOW REMAINS FAIRLY STAGNANT

OVER EASTERN CANADA/QUEBEC BFR SHIFTING EAST BY NEXT THURSDAY AS

STRONG SFC RIDGE BUILDS OUT OF THE GREAT LKS REGION. BFR RIDGE

ARRIVES...MDLS CONTINUE TO SHOW UPPER TROUGH/ASSOCIATED SFC FRNT

PUSHING SLOWLY THRU THE REGION SUNDAY INTO MONDAY. OVERALL...-RW

EXPECTED AS SYSTEM TRAVERSES...BUT COLDER AIR BEHIND SYSTEM SUNDAY

NIGHT(850/925 TEMPS NEAR 4C) MAY ALLOW -RW TO CHANGE OVER OR MIX

SOME -SW FOR A FEW HRS OVER THE HIGHEST PEAKS OF BOTH VT/NY.

LATTER PORTION OF MONDAY THRU TUESDAY HAS SFC RIDGE S AND E OF THE

AREA...WHICH WILL SLOW SECOND TROUGH THRU THE AREA WEDNESDAY BFR

CLRING AREA. QPF FOR BOTH SYSTEMS WILL APPROACH AN INCH IN SPOTS.

TEMPS FOR THE PERIOD WILL RANGE MAINLY NEAR NORMAL WITH 60S FOR

HIGHS AND 30S/40S FOR OVERNGT LOWS. CLD COVER WILL AID IN

TEMPERING DAYTIME HIGHS/OVERNGT LOWS.

Snow is also in the forecast for some of the elevated zones in theirs grids - both NY and VT.

:snowing:

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Had some thunder last night with 1.26" in the gauge this morning. Heres a little bit from the NWS AFD about tomorrows lake effect event.

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.SHORT TERM /SUNDAY THROUGH MONDAY NIGHT/...

ON SUNDAY A -2SD 500 HPA BROAD LONG WAVE TROUGH WILL BE SPIRALING

EAST AND NORTHWARD FROM THE CENTRAL GREAT LAKES. A POOL OF COLD AIR

ALOFT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS LONGWAVE TROUGH WILL BE CENTERED OVER THE

EASTERN GREAT LAKES REGION...PROVIDING FOR A COOL FALLISH TYPE

DAY...WITH LAKE EFFECT RAIN.

BOTH THE NAM AND THE REGIONAL CANADIAN MODEL PLACE AN AREA OF UPWARD

MOTION TO THE EAST OF BOTH GREAT LAKES...WITH THE MORE IMPRESSIVE

VERTICAL MOTION TO THE EAST OF LAKE ONTARIO. LAKE TEMPERATURES

AROUND 20C UNDER THE POOL OF COLD AIR OF AROUND 1C AT 850 WILL

CREATE SIGNIFICANT LAKE INDUCED INSTABILITY. LAKE INDUCED EQL OVER

25K FEET WITH LAKE INDUCED CAPE VALUES OF AROUND 1500 J/KG WILL

PROVIDE PLENTY OF INSTABILITY AND WITH HIGH MOISTURE CONTENT AROUND

3-4K FEET EXPECT A PLUME OF LAKE EFFECT RAIN OFF BOTH LAKES. WILL

PLACE HIGHER...CATEGORICAL POPS OFF LAKE ONTARIO WHERE MOISTURE

FIELDS ARE A LITTLE MORE IMPRESSIVE...WHILE MAINTAINING LIKELY OFF

LAKE ERIE.

WINDS THROUGH THE DAY ON SUNDAY WILL BE WEST...WITH A SLIGHT

SOUTHWEST COMPONENT...MAINLY BETWEEN 250-270 DEGREES. THIS WILL PLACE

THE PRIMARY LAKE EFFECT BANDS JUST SOUTH OF BUFFALO...AND ALONG AND

JUST SOUTH OF WATERTOWN. AT TIMES EXPECT THE LAKE ONTARIO BAND OF

LAKE EFFECT RAIN TO BRUSH BY THE AREAS JUST SOUTH OF THE SOUTHERN

SHORELINE OF LAKE ONTARIO. GREATEST RAINFALL WILL BE EAST OF LAKE

ONTARIO WHERE THE LONG FETCH OVER LAKE ONTARIO WILL DRIVE MODERATE

RAIN SHOWERS ACROSS THE EASTERN LAKE ONTARIO REGION...WITH RAINFALL

ENHANCED IN THE UPSLOPE AREAS OF THE WESTERN FACE OF THE TUG HILL

REGION. HOW MUCH RAINFALL IS STILL UNCERTAIN AT THIS TIME BUT WILL

HAVE AN AVERAGE BASIN QUARTER TO HALF INCH OF RAINFALL IN MOST

PERSISTENT RAIN BANDS IN THE GRIDS EAST OF LAKE ONTARIO. WITH A

SHORTER FETCH EAST OF LAKE ERIE...RAINFALL TOTALS WILL LIKELY BE A

LITTLE LESS THROUGH THE DAY ON SUNDAY.

MOISTURE DEPTH FOR SUNDAY WILL TOUCH THE -10C LEVEL WHERE GRAUPEL IS

LIKELY. WITH THE SUCH COLD TEMPERATURES ALOFT AND MODERATE

INSTABILITY WILL ADD ISOLATED THUNDER INTO THE GRIDS FOR THE LAKE

EFFECT RAIN BANDS SUNDAY AND SUNDAY NIGHT.

Looks like a southtowns special. winds 250-270 degrees. Buckle up Richard haha :)

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This is my first year up here, so for those more experienced than I, when should we start seeing some synoptic or lake effect snow events in the SYR area?

im not in the SYR area, Im in the BUF area but its pretty similar. By early October you can expect your first lake effect snow events to start. Prob more so to your north across the tug Hill with greater elevation especally in the early season events where temps are marginal.
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im not in the SYR area, Im in the BUF area but its pretty similar. By early October you can expect your first lake effect snow events to start. Prob more so to your north across the tug Hill with greater elevation especally in the early season events where temps are marginal.

The great thing about Lake Ontario is that unlike Lake Erie, it does not freeze over, and it produces snow longer than Lake Erie does. :)

Maybe Buffalo will have an October 2006 repeat again. :weenie:

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im not in the SYR area, Im in the BUF area but its pretty similar. By early October you can expect your first lake effect snow events to start. Prob more so to your north across the tug Hill with greater elevation especally in the early season events where temps are marginal.

That's obscenely generous. I'd say that the lake effect potentials really start to take off by about the 2 or 3rd week of November and hit their peak potential in December and January. Lake Ontario's season runs very long as the lake doesnt freeze...so they have been known to get some epic storms into February as well.

You'll likely get your first wet flakes of the season in October, but overall October is fairly mild month around here.

Thanksgiving is the big benchmark for when big lake effect events become much more likely.

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That's obscenely generous. I'd say that the lake effect potentials really start to take off by about the 2 or 3rd week of November and hit their peak potential in December and January. Lake Ontario's season runs very long as the lake doesnt freeze...so they have been known to get some epic storms into February as well.

You'll likely get your first wet flakes of the season in October, but overall October is fairly mild month around here.

Thanksgiving is the big benchmark for when big lake effect events become much more likely.

I honestly meant November not October.
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I honestly meant November not October.

I actually believe you. You know your **** well enough to not say something like that.... If only we only had to wait until October!

Anyway, we are starting to get close now though...October 12th is only a little over 2 weeks away. Now thats a benchmark storm of a lifetime.

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