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Upstate NY/North Country + adjacent ON, QC, VT: Meteorological fall is here


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Glad to see ur still here LEK!! Took me a minute, but I found it, lol.

BTW snowing to beat the band right now!!

Pennellville, Phoenix & Northern Onondaga are set for a nice little event tonight before the band sweeps South later tonight.

Hello to all in this Forum as I am a long time poster and an avid LESFreak as the name states!!

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George and Rebecca; thanks for responding to my post(!)

When we're claiming teleconnection status as pattern causation, aren't we mistaking cause for effect? Aren't varying climatic energy levels and their resultant physical effects the creator of those very teleconnections?

NAO, AO, PDO, etc. are merely observed means by which energy is 're-sorted', no? "Cold", as we measure its increase at the poles, is a negative reaction- an absence of input energy- that is highly responsive to latent heat retained by open water and relatively warm, open ground.

-PDO, neutral ENSO and -AO should (under 'old normal' circumstances) mean colder conditions than we're seeing if I'm not mistaken. All that cold and snow in Barrow should have been shooting down the plains by this time of year, but instead, it still has work to do there and we get a predominantly zonal flow.

Obviously, I'm extrapolating from a small sample, but an easterly flow here from a cool lake under a traditional temperature regime would mean a lot more flakes (and of better 'quality') than we're really getting. These can barely make it over the hill...

I apologize if my statements sound questioning- I have no professional axes to grind or background dogmatics- but am frustrated by increasingly poor forecasting (Particularly from the CPC), contradictory models, and what seems like little willingness among professionals to acknowledge their lack of effective tools to describe what appears anecdotally to be a new or, even, 'evolving' norm.

Stopped here now, maybe 3" since 2pm, already shrunk down to 2. Little, wet, 'New England-y' flakes. Blehh.

'night all!

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IMO Fulton is gonna be the bullseye for this event.

Good call LE Kid:

...OSWEGO COUNTY...

W FULTON 6.0 400 AM 11/29 COCORAHS

2 SSE PALERMO 4.7 600 AM 11/29 CO-OP OBSERVER

PALERMO 4.7 600 AM 11/29 CO-OP OBSERVER

7 NNE PHOENIX 4.7 600 AM 11/29 COCORAHS

FULTON 4.5 700 AM 11/29 CO-OP OBSERVER

5 ESE OSWEGO 3.2 600 AM 11/29 COCORAHS

3 NE BENNETTS BRIDGE 3.0 700 AM 11/29 CO-OP OBSERVER

1 NNW FULTON 2.1 700 AM 11/29 COCORAHS

SE MINETTO 1.5 700 AM 11/29 COCORAHS

SANDY CREEK 1.4 700 AM 11/29 CO-OP OBSERVER

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Good call LE Kid:

...OSWEGO COUNTY...

W FULTON 6.0 400 AM 11/29 COCORAHS

2 SSE PALERMO 4.7 600 AM 11/29 CO-OP OBSERVER

PALERMO 4.7 600 AM 11/29 CO-OP OBSERVER

7 NNE PHOENIX 4.7 600 AM 11/29 COCORAHS

FULTON 4.5 700 AM 11/29 CO-OP OBSERVER

5 ESE OSWEGO 3.2 600 AM 11/29 COCORAHS

3 NE BENNETTS BRIDGE 3.0 700 AM 11/29 CO-OP OBSERVER

1 NNW FULTON 2.1 700 AM 11/29 COCORAHS

SE MINETTO 1.5 700 AM 11/29 COCORAHS

SANDY CREEK 1.4 700 AM 11/29 CO-OP OBSERVER

thank you :)
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Anyone want this forecast for there area? ^_^

  • This Afternoon Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. High near 23. Wind chill values as low as -7. Windy, with a south southwest wind around 85 mph, with gusts as high as 115 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. Total daytime snow accumulation of 33 to 39 inches possible.
  • Tonight Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. Steady temperature around 21. Wind chill values as low as -7. Windy, with a south southwest wind 85 to 95 mph, with gusts as high as 115 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 37 to 43 inches possible.
  • Friday Snow showers. The snow could be heavy at times. Temperature falling to around 15 by 4pm. Wind chill values as low as -13. Windy, with a south southwest wind 80 to 85 mph decreasing to 70 to 75 mph in the afternoon. Winds could gust as high as 115 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 23 to 29 inches possible.
  • Friday Night Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. Low around 14. Wind chill values as low as -13. Windy, with a south southwest wind 70 to 80 mph, with gusts as high as 115 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 21 to 27 inches possible.
  • Saturday Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. High near 19. Windy, with a southwest wind 75 to 80 mph, with gusts as high as 115 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 22 to 28 inches possible.
  • Saturday Night Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. Low around 17. Windy. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 29 to 35 inches possible.
  • Sunday Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. High near 18. Windy. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 11 to 17 inches possible.

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Anyone want this forecast for there area? ^_^

  • This Afternoon Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. High near 23. Wind chill values as low as -7. Windy, with a south southwest wind around 85 mph, with gusts as high as 115 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. Total daytime snow accumulation of 33 to 39 inches possible.
  • Tonight Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. Steady temperature around 21. Wind chill values as low as -7. Windy, with a south southwest wind 85 to 95 mph, with gusts as high as 115 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 37 to 43 inches possible.
  • Friday Snow showers. The snow could be heavy at times. Temperature falling to around 15 by 4pm. Wind chill values as low as -13. Windy, with a south southwest wind 80 to 85 mph decreasing to 70 to 75 mph in the afternoon. Winds could gust as high as 115 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 23 to 29 inches possible.
  • Friday Night Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. Low around 14. Wind chill values as low as -13. Windy, with a south southwest wind 70 to 80 mph, with gusts as high as 115 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 21 to 27 inches possible.
  • Saturday Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. High near 19. Windy, with a southwest wind 75 to 80 mph, with gusts as high as 115 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 22 to 28 inches possible.
  • Saturday Night Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. Low around 17. Windy. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 29 to 35 inches possible.
  • Sunday Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. High near 18. Windy. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New snow accumulation of 11 to 17 inches possible.

I'm guessing Mt. Shasta. Forecasting 220 inches in 4 days. Ridiculous.

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