Baroclinic Zone Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 I expect to see houses floating down the MS tomorrow. Have we gone back in time to 1993? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 58k+ without power in la already, and man what a tower exploding over the center right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted August 28, 2012 Share Posted August 28, 2012 Ed Rappaport from NHC just said the 100+ wind gusts occuring on oil platforms should translate to the higher buildings in NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Ed Rappaport from NHC just said the 100+ wind gusts occuring on oil platforms should translate to the higher buildings in NO. I mentioned that earlier today, some pretty high rises out there, Blue Hill size, LOL. Looks like a Grand Isle landfall not counting the delta swamp the eye just went over. Shell Beach in St Bernard Parish had a 20 foot surge in Katrina, so far a 9 foot, nice winds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 This is a big ole bag of WTF, great radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 It's the water that will be the issue. Always has...nevermind the winds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ineedsnow Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 was just watching an update on headline news and there was a huge power flash in the background Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 968!!!!! Hot towers! Cantore about to get into the goods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 It's the water that will be the issue. Always has...nevermind the winds. 93 MPH from Dow in place is pretty significant though. I suspect some of those heavier rain elements might bring down some pretty damaging winds but absolutely it's the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 93 MPH from Dow in place is pretty significant though. I suspect some of those heavier rain elements might bring down some pretty damaging winds but absolutely it's the water. Well those winds are expected. Nothing new there. Just the freshwater/saltwater flooding is the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Hurricane hunter live on TWC just commenting about how with Isaac much more vertical wind structure than your classic horizontal winds, rough ride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Well those winds are expected. Nothing new there. Just the freshwater/saltwater flooding is the issue. Not quite following your train of thought, winds that high cause damage on there own. Pretty big issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Not quite following your train of thought, winds that high cause damage on there own. Pretty big issue. Yeah trees are blown down and maybe some structure issues in weaker buildings down near the bayou, but well made structures are made for that. Up in NO, the winds won't do a lot of structural damage...aside from some blown out windows perhaps. It's the water they are worried about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 I'm very concerned about rogue waves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 shell beach surge has reached 9.4 feet one inch shy of Gustav......and its only just begun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Yeah trees are blown down and maybe some structure issues in weaker buildings down near the bayou, but well made structures are made for that. Up in NO, the winds won't do a lot of structural damage...aside from some blown out windows perhaps. It's the water they are worried about. You touched on something that bothers me, all the attention again is on the city proper. But outside the city it's freaking rocking. Anyway, me thinks we have a stall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Water is always the issue and is responsible for 90% of the deaths in landfalling hurricanes. That being said, there will be plenty of wind damage, especially since it will be a very long duration storm. No matter how you slice it, it will be a billion dollar storm which will have far reaching effects on this country for years to come, especially economically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Water is always the issue and is responsible for 90% of the deaths in landfalling hurricanes. That being said, there will be plenty of wind damage, especially since it will be a very long duration storm. No matter how you slice it, it will be a billion dollar storm which will have far reaching effects on this country for years to come, especially economically. Billion dollars is nothing anymore. Need 5+ billion now it seems to make it mean anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxsniss Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Yeah trees are blown down and maybe some structure issues in weaker buildings down near the bayou, but well made structures are made for that. Up in NO, the winds won't do a lot of structural damage...aside from some blown out windows perhaps. It's the water they are worried about. Can't be stressed enough for this storm. All the hype about Katrina... the vast majority of damage and deaths resulted from flooding (rainfall + storm surge), not wind damage. Hurricane intensity and wind speeds certainly impact surge. But the 12-20" rainfall and 6-12' surge predicted for NOLA with a very slow moving storm will be the dominating issues in terms of impact. This is gonna be a long night. More attention should be on the water levels inside Lake P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Billion dollars is nothing anymore. Need 5+ billion now it seems to make it mean anything. that it shall be, seems like you are on a quest to downplay this at all costs? Dont see any weenie posts here, just obs and talk, nobody saying cat 5 nobody saying 20 ft surge or 120 mph winds. This storm is hitting a unique part of american coastline, one which is especially vulnerable to a cyclone moving nw to its sw. I guess the truth will be told in pics and numbers over the next few days, I hope the water issues are not as bad as I fear they may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 water over federal levees in Plaquiemens parish, structural wind damage being reported from parish president who decided to head back to EOC due to the danger. forgive the spelling of the parish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 that it shall be, seems like you are on a quest to downplay this at all costs? Dont see any weenie posts here, just obs and talk, nobody saying cat 5 nobody saying 20 ft surge or 120 mph winds. This storm is hitting a unique part of american coastline, one which is especially vulnerable to a cyclone moving nw to its sw. I guess the truth will be told in pics and numbers over the next few days, I hope the water issues are not as bad as I fear they may be. The only thing that needs to be toned done were the Cat II..RI posts and people trying to make this storm stronger than it is. We can deal with 70-90mph winds in terms of structure. Weaker structures will have damage for sure, look at the saffir simpson scale for a damage refresher. I just mentioned the water issue, so how is that downplaying? The one thing that has changed a bit is the more west motion over water. This will help sustain the storm as it moves west, but strongest winds will be in the marsh at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 It seems like this will be handled for the most part in NO...the surge that is. What is more worrisome..is if this dumps 15" of rain with continued SE winds in the area. That might be an issue for tomorrow or beyond. I don't know...not an engineer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 The only thing that needs to be toned done were the Cat II..RI posts and people trying to make this storm stronger than it is. We can deal with 70-90mph winds in terms of structure. Weaker structures will have damage for sure, look at the saffir simpson scale for a damage refresher. I just mentioned the water issue, so how is that downplaying? The one thing that has changed a bit is the more west motion over water. This will help sustain the storm as it moves west, but strongest winds will be in the marsh at that point. My question is who is saying RI? Not here. Who is trying to make it stronger? Seems like this thread is very relevant and level headed, most focusing on the water, not the wind, but the wind is certainly not to be dismissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 My question is who is saying RI? Not here. Who is trying to make it stronger? Seems like this thread is very relevant and level headed, most focusing on the water, not the wind, but the wind is certainly not to be dismissed. Well you mentioned downplaying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Wonder if the lower salinity is contaminating wind measurements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Well you mentioned downplaying. Perhaps it was the banter with Kevin, who knows. Meanwhile 102 mph gust at 100 ft in sw eyewall.........looking forward to how the taller buildings in NO make out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 It seems like this will be handled for the most part in NO...the surge that is. What is more worrisome..is if this dumps 15" of rain with continued SE winds in the area. That might be an issue for tomorrow or beyond. I don't know...not an engineer. They are going to get a good test on the improvements that were made to the infrastructure post Katrina with Isaac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 Agree with LL, lots of sanity in this thread, sans Kevs BS, the constant barrage of waves and surge is going to lay havoc on a lot of folks and their property outside the city proper. You guys think this stalled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted August 29, 2012 Share Posted August 29, 2012 On satellite radar its looks like its still moving WNW, Although radar over LA shows the center still over water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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