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August 2012 Observations and Discussions


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Really muggy out. Yuck.

:axe: And the SST's in the area are absurdly high.

200 PM EDT SUN AUG 05 2012

CITY SKY/WX TMP DP RH WIND PRES REMARKS

CENTRAL PARK PTSUNNY 89 71 55 SW8G20 30.07F HX 95

LAGUARDIA APRT PTSUNNY 89 74 60 S13G20 30.04F HX 98

KENNEDY INTL PTSUNNY 86 76 71 S20G29 30.07F HX 96

NEWARK/LIBERTY PTSUNNY 91 72 53 S15 30.04F HX 98

TETERBORO MOSUNNY 93 70 46 SW21 30.02F HX 99

WHITE PLAINS MOSUNNY 86 75 70 S10 30.06F HX 95

FARMINGDALE PTSUNNY 86 77 74 S20G29 30.07F HX 97

ISLIP PTSUNNY 84 76 76 S14G28 30.07F HX 93

SHIRLEY PTSUNNY 85 77 77 S14G29 30.09F HX 95

WESTHAMPTON NOT AVBL

MONTAUK POINT N/A 82 76 81 S7 30.12F

NEWBURGH PTSUNNY 88 75 66 SW12G23 30.05 HX 97

MONTGOMERY PTSUNNY 88 74 63 SW15G21 30.02F HX 96

POUGHKEEPSIE LGT RAIN 86 72 62 S6G21 30.01F HX 92

ALBANY LGT RAIN 80 75 84 S13 29.99S FOG

TETERBORO MOSUNNY 93 70 46 SW21 30.02F HX 99

CALDWELL MOSUNNY 90 71 53 VRB6 30.04F HX 96

MORRISTOWN PTSUNNY 90 72 55 SW12G24 30.05F HX 96

SOMERVILLE PTSUNNY 89 70 53 S13G21 30.02F HX 94

SUSSEX PTSUNNY 87 73 62 S10G16 30.04F THUNDER HX 94

ANDOVER N/A 85 73 67 SW8 30.07S HX 91

TRENTON PTSUNNY 91 70 49 SW18G28 30.04F HX 96

MILLVILLE SUNNY 90 69 50 SW9G22 30.09F HX 94

ATLANTIC CITY MOSUNNY 88 73 61 S17 30.10F HX 95

WRIGHTSTOWN MOSUNNY 92 72 51 SW17G28 30.03F HX 100

TOMS RIVER NOT AVBL

BELMAR PTSUNNY 93 72 49 S16G23 30.06F HX 100

PHILADELPHIA MOSUNNY 95 68 41 SW21G35 30.05F HX 99

ALLENTOWN PTSUNNY 89 71 55 SW17G25 30.03F HX 95

SCRANTON PTSUNNY 83 72 69 SW7 30.03F

BRADLEY INTL PTSUNNY 89 71 55 S15G22 30.02F HX 95

HARTFORD PTSUNNY 89 73 59 S13G21 30.03F HX 97

DANBURY MOSUNNY 87 74 64 SW13 30.06F HX 95

WTRBRY/OXFORD PTSUNNY 81 75 83 SW9G23 30.09F

BRIDGEPORT LGT RAIN 84 78 82 S14 30.05F HX 95

MERIDEN MOSUNNY 87 74 64 S14G23 30.05F HX 95

NEW HAVEN SUNNY 87 76 69 S14 30.07F HX 97

CHESTER NOT AVBL

GROTON PTSUNNY 81 74 79 S9 30.08F

WILLIMANTIC MOSUNNY 88 71 57 S13G25 30.07F HX 94

PROVIDENCE PTSUNNY 87 72 60 S16G24 30.08F HX 93

BLOCK ISLAND NOT AVBL

WESTERLY MOSUNNY 83 75 77 S13G22 30.11F HX 90

BOSTON LGT RAIN 86 75 69 S16G22 30.05F HX 95

WORCESTER MOSUNNY 87 70 56 S14 30.09F HX 92

WESTFIELD PTSUNNY 90 68 48 S20 30.02F HX 94

PROVINCETOWN MOSUNNY 82 75 78 S15G23 30.10F

NANTUCKET CLOUDY 77 73 87 S16 30.16S FOG

COASTAL MARINE OBSERVATIONS

STATION/POSITION TIME SKY/WX TEMP WIND PRES VSBY WAVE

AIR SEA DIR/SP/G HT/PER

(UTC) (F) (DEG/KT/KT) (MB) (MI) (FT/S)

NY HARB ENTRANCE 1800 80 78 190/ 19/ 25 1017.7 4/ 5

BUOY 20S FIRE IS 1800 79 79 200/ 19/ 23 1018.3 4/ 5

BUOY 23SW MTP NOT AVBL

HUDSON CANYON NOT AVBL

EXECUTION ROCKS 1800 85 75 170/ 12/ 17 1018.1

WESTERN LI SOUND 1800 84 180/ 12/ 16 N/A 1/ 2

CENTRAL LI SOUND NOT AVBL

EASTERN LI SOUND NOT AVBL

ROBBINS REEF 1800 89 260/ 14/ 19 1016.4

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What are your thoughts on severe for the metro? Looks like our storms might develop too late capitalize on the heating...

I don't think the heat and moisture are going anywhere with that southwest wind, even if it gets dark. The storms will have plenty of fuel to survive sun or no sun.

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so did get up to a 4th day of the heatwave....91 with a heat index of 102! Are people still thinking its not hot this summer?

If the next 4 weeks turn out below normal, then no it won't be considered a hot summer. But we won't know that for another month right?

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I don't think the heat and moisture are going anywhere with that southwest wind, even if it gets dark. The storms will have plenty of fuel to survive sun or no sun.

im sure well see some storms, but just not sure about severe from city and east, especially after dark, Cape looks to plummet after 6/7 looking at latest guidance...i know we still have the LLJ, but still

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Besides the one line of storms in eastern pa not much elese on radar where is the heavy rain tonight coming from? Or do they expect more to develop?? I just would have thought the radar would be crazy with storms right now....

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They need to revise the criteria for heat waves. 90 degrees is only 2-4 degrees above normal depending on the location. That's pathetic.

We should consider any temp 35 or below as Arctic outbreaks then.

Since normal lows in the winter are in the mid 20's in NYC and around 20 in the suburbs, an "Arctic outbreak" by your way of thinking would start when temps got to 20 F or less in NYC and 15 F or less in the outlying areas...

And calling heat wave criteria of 2-4 degrees above normal reaching 90 F is actually a fraction off...in the NYC /LI area....normal July highs are generally in the 84 F to 86 F range...not 86 F to 88 F.

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Since normal lows in the winter are in the mid 20's in NYC and around 20 in the suburbs, an "Arctic outbreak" by your way of thinking would start when temps got to 20 F or less in NYC and 15 F or less in the outlying areas...

And calling heat wave criteria of 2-4 degrees above normal reaching 90 F is actually a fraction off...in the NYC /LI area....normal July highs are generally in the 84 F to 86 F range...not 86 F to 88 F.

The heat island/global warming have made sub-20 readings in NYC a rarity... any below should probably qualify as arctic at this point lol. It's not uncommon to see NYC at 20+ while the suburbs drop into the 0-10 range.

Come 2100 we will classify any readings below 25 as absolutely frigid, lol.

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The heat island/global warming have made sub-20 readings in NYC a rarity... any below should probably qualify as arctic at this point lol. It's not uncommon to see NYC at 20+ while the suburbs drop into the 0-10 range.

Come 2100 we will classify any readings below 25 as absolutely frigid, lol.

So you are of the opinion that cold winters are a thing of the past?

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The heat island/global warming have made sub-20 readings in NYC a rarity... any below should probably qualify as arctic at this point lol. It's not uncommon to see NYC at 20+ while the suburbs drop into the 0-10 range.

Come 2100 we will classify any readings below 25 as absolutely frigid, lol.

You might have a point...even during 2010-11...considered a close to normal winter temperature wise......KNYC / Central Park only went below 20 F on 12 days...while out at Islip on Long Island...not really a particularly cold spot but certainly cooler than the city....they dropped below 20 F on 31 days that winter.

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Since normal lows in the winter are in the mid 20's in NYC and around 20 in the suburbs, an "Arctic outbreak" by your way of thinking would start when temps got to 20 F or less in NYC and 15 F or less in the outlying areas...

And calling heat wave criteria of 2-4 degrees above normal reaching 90 F is actually a fraction off...in the NYC /LI area....normal July highs are generally in the 84 F to 86 F range...not 86 F to 88 F.

Why go off lows to classify something as an Arctic outbreak? It's the daily highs that need to be low, who cares how cold it gets at night. Distant suburbs with good radiational cooling have arctic air almost every night then.

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Why go off lows to classify something as an Arctic outbreak? It's the daily highs that need to be low, who cares how cold it gets at night. Distant suburbs with good radiational cooling have arctic air almost every night then.

I guess because we generally look towards the extreme...which would be the high temp in summer and the low temp in winter...this is elemental in determining the so called "degree day"....which is a key component in determining heating budgets.

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I guess because we generally look towards the extreme...which would be the high temp in summer and the low temp in winter...this is elemental in determining the so called "degree day"....which is a key component in determining heating budgets.

Cold lows don't impress me as much as cold highs. If temps rebound nicely by the afternoon then that air isn't that cold. If however highs stay well below normal, then that is impressive. I feel its better to use highs because highs tend to be close to each other area wide while lows can vary drastically. Same goes for summer. Isotherm almost always goes below 70 all summer, despite how warm it gets in the afternoon.

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Cold lows don't impress me as much as cold highs. If temps rebound nicely by the afternoon then that air isn't that cold. If however highs stay well below normal, then that is impressive. I feel its better to use highs because highs tend to be close to each other area wide while lows can vary drastically. Same goes for summer. Isotherm almost always goes below 70 all summer, despite how warm it gets in the afternoon.

Also remember that knowing what the low temperature will be is absolutely essential for people in the agriculture and livestock business...

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