weatherwiz Posted July 19, 2012 Author Share Posted July 19, 2012 I just wanted some rain. I can't recall a summer where I have had so few thunderstorms. Great event overall. I understand the complaints about lack of rain b/c we certainly need rain and a good widespread rain but to say this event sucked or busted is just wrong. Not everyone is going to see anything and most aren't going to see anything severe. The storm report map today is quite impressive, especially given how small of an aerial coverage this region actually has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Not a drop of rain here. Still at 0.29" for the month. Ouch And on BOX, where are the PNS reports now? Just read this... Check here Dave... http://www.erh.noaa.gov/box/lsr.shtml Just click on Southern New England. Don't know why it's not on the front page. LOTS of problems at BOX today, as I heard from one on my colleagues. --Turtle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Just read this... Check here Dave... http://www.erh.noaa.gov/box/lsr.shtml Just click on Southern New England. Don't know why it's not on the front page. LOTS of problems at BOX today, as I heard from one on my colleagues. --Turtle Thanks, I found it earlier. (also replied late to your pm). Did the storm itself cause problems in Taunton? (ie lightning, flooding, etc). I wish my sister had taken pics of the hail. By the time I called her it had melted. Her son is a huge wx weenie but is in Florida attm. He would have known what to do...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 As suspected from observation I was located on the backend of a microburst outflow produced scud. The cell itself was rotating. Great stuff today! Thought of you today when hearing the 11 PM news with the microburst report in Arlington. WOW, not too far away huh? Pretty amazing day. --Turtle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Thanks, I found it earlier. (also replied late to your pm). Did the storm itself cause problems in Taunton? (ie lightning, flooding, etc). I wish my sister had taken pics of the hail. By the time I called her it had melted. Her son is a huge wx weenie but is in Florida attm. He would have known what to do...lol Saw your PM after replying here. Glad you found the info. MAJOR computer problems at the office, and they were unable to issue warnings during the heart of the action. That's why you may have noticed that OKX was issuing the warnings. OKX is our primary backup office in cases like this. I'm on vacation, but had very similar problems on July 4th when trying to issue warnings. From what I understand, the radar didn't go down, but there was HUGE MAJOR comms problems all the way around. It's a very long story why things went so bad. Anyway, glad your sister's report go on the Local Storm Report. My 3/4" hail report got on as well. Pic coming in a few... --Turtle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Wow, 3/4"? I think i have seen that maybe once, while in a truck on the Pike in July of 2006. I asked my sister several times and ways to confirm golf balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Signing off...lightning too close and nearly continuous. --Turtle So, posted this just after 4 PM. Had nearly continuous lightning and very heavy rain right after this. One stroke caused a "brown" out at my place. Had unplugged the computer, so that was OK. While watching the river of water rolling by my front door, I started to see little bouncy things. Hub also heard the small hail hitting off the cover of the air conditioner. I was watching this outside, then saw a couple of larger hail chunks on the front lawn! WOW!! Largest hail I've seen here. I told Hubby about it, and he came to the door. He said I should go and get it! I'm like...ummm...with all that lightning??? Well, after a bit, I did. Wasn't too far from the door, I was out and back in in a couple of seconds. So, I measured it... Yep...3/4"!!! Most of the hail here was 1/4", but those couple of larger stones were not hard to miss. Was hard to take the photo at first with minimal light, but finally got the good one. Lights went totally out at about 530 or so, so we went out. Rain and lightning had let up after a LONG time! Lights came back by around 615 PM or so, but was offline this evening. If you read the summary LSR, there were TWO other reports of hail in the city, including 1" from another colleague of mine that lives closer to the office than I do (he's about 2 miles SW of the office, I'm about 6 miles SE). Also saw reports of 1.75-2" diameter hail to our west in Dighton and Rehoboth. WOW!!! My hail is a baby compared to those, but it was pretty cool. Still have the stone in my freezer!!! --Turtle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
free_man Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 most ironic pic of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 was stuck on route 9 in natick/framingham line for looong time today and rte 9 by walmart /126 interchange was closed for a period. the radar link on wunderground show'd 3-3.5 inches in the western wellsley area and the flooding on rte 9 there was awesome! also the flooding on main street in melrose just N of the fellsway was suprising to see about foot of water in large parking lot. training of storms over natick area was cool over late pm. is monday really a decent threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Warrior commander Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Hail at 2:27PM was pea sized, then again at 4:48PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan11295 Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 was stuck on route 9 in natick/framingham line for looong time today and rte 9 by walmart /126 interchange was closed for a period. the radar link on wunderground show'd 3-3.5 inches in the western wellsley area and the flooding on rte 9 there was awesome! also the flooding on main street in melrose just N of the fellsway was suprising to see about foot of water in large parking lot. training of storms over natick area was cool over late pm. is monday really a decent threat. That interchange on Route 9 is notorious for flooding during heavy rainfall,if a FFW gets issued for that area, probably best to avoid it for a while if at all possible. Route 9 in general doesn't drain great. On a side note was driving East on Route 2 in Lexington-Belmont stretch around 6 pm and must have ran into the cell the caused the Arlington microburst. Coudlnt go faster than 30 mph the rain so heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Why did yesterday not end up with more widespread damage and strong storms? All the parameters were in place..we even had an EML..I realize there was some damage , but overall it wasn't widespread, What were the reasons it didn't become significant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Monday setup looks good. Lots of time to watch it, but it looks like a potential severe day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Why did yesterday not end up with more widespread damage and strong storms? All the parameters were in place..we even had an EML..I realize there was some damage , but overall it wasn't widespread, What were the reasons it didn't become significant? I thought it went as planned. CT had some good storms with micros thrown in as well as hail. Shear was weaker down there, don't forget. I thought Ryan and I kept saying that it wouldn't be this massive derecho, but there would be some strong to severe storms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I thought it went as planned. CT had some good storms with micros thrown in as well as hail. Shear was weaker down there, don't forget. I thought Ryan and I kept saying that it wouldn't be this massive derecho, but there would be some strong to severe storms. Yeah you did.. I guess I just envisioned more..but when looking at the LSR there was plenty of damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Always people complaining...I didn't get this, this event sucked...blah, blah, blah. This event actually did not suck and there were several microbursts/macrobursts throughout CT/MA and some areas were hit INCREDIBLY hard. When it comes to weather and especially convection not everyone is going to see something. When there are high risks issued in the Plains not everyone sees something there. The same thing happened the day before here in NNE, I was missed NE and SW with storms, But that's the way it goes, There will always be winners and losers just like winter, Some hit the jackpot and others sniff cirrus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 CONGRATS DON FROM ARLINGTON PROBABLE MICROBURST. APPROXIMATELY 100 TREES DOWN. SOME STREETS INVOLVED INCLUDE MARATHON STREET...WALDO ROAD....CHANDLER STREET...MASS AVE AND BROADWAY. BRICK GARAGE COLLAPSED ON HARLOW STREET. SOME ROOF DAMAGE REPORTED ON MASS AVE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HM Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Well, I got my "CAPE BOMBER" yesterday. I was driving northeast through Middlesex County as a thunderstorm exploded overhead around 2 PM. I had 4 close range CG strikes near the car (of course the thunder was instantaneous / loud) within seconds and heavy rain. I did not receive the wind that Sayreville reported but I believe the wind damage reports seeing the perfect radial outflow. The second and more threatening round managed to jump over my location. I had 1 hour of gusty winds to 30-35 mph and thunder but no rain. The rain that ultimately did come wasn't anything noteworthy. I thought the models did a great job and the NAM actually hinted at the Middlesex County radial bomb happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Well, I got my "CAPE BOMBER" yesterday. I was driving northeast through Middlesex County as a thunderstorm exploded overhead around 2 PM. I had 4 close range CG strikes near the car (of course the thunder was instantaneous / loud) within seconds and heavy rain. I did not receive the wind that Sayreville reported but I believe the wind damage reports seeing the perfect radial outflow. The second and more threatening round managed to jump over my location. I had 1 hour of gusty winds to 30-35 mph and thunder but no rain. The rain that ultimately did come wasn't anything noteworthy. I thought the models did a great job and the NAM actually hinted at the Middlesex County radial bomb happening. congrats, nice report. I got skunked at work while home was blasted with constant Cg strikes, heavy rain according to family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HM Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Always people complaining...I didn't get this, this event sucked...blah, blah, blah. This event actually did not suck and there were several microbursts/macrobursts throughout CT/MA and some areas were hit INCREDIBLY hard. When it comes to weather and especially convection not everyone is going to see something. When there are high risks issued in the Plains not everyone sees something there. Yeah, good point. Even when you are under a warning, you still are not guaranteed anything. Most of the time, the severe wind gusts are in narrow swaths (I'm not talking derecho here) and the hail shafts are very small. Now, if a derecho is coming at you (cough-Labor Day 1998-cough) and you still get nothing, then I guess you can complain (me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HM Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 congrats, nice report. I got skunked at work while home was blasted with constant Cg strikes, heavy rain according to family. That is worse than mother nature doing the deciding. I was just in the wrong location and the thunderstorms decided it was time to redevelop (5-7 PM). It happens and I was expecting this sort of thing to happen with the very little wind shear we had down this way. The Middlesex storm at 2 PM was definitely more of being in the right place at the right time. So the two weigh out and leave me content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Why did yesterday not end up with more widespread damage and strong storms? All the parameters were in place..we even had an EML..I realize there was some damage , but overall it wasn't widespread, What were the reasons it didn't become significant? We didn't have an EML though. Lapse rates were sufficiently steep but the steeper morning lapse rates were sliding offshore by 12z. Shear was probably the biggest limiting factor down here. While we were able to develop several impressive clusters the lack of strong deep layer shear prevented the updrafts from maintaining themselves. Many pulsers. If we had stronger low level shear too we probably would have seen a few tornadoes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Monday setup looks good. Lots of time to watch it, but it looks like a potential severe day Timing is a little up in the air. Could be delayed to Tuesday??? I also like Friday as a potential severe day looking way ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HM Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Monday has a lagging issue for sure. There is plenty of time to get that straightened out. Everyone is talking about Friday and rightfully so. The 6z GFS scenario would be close to a high risk (if it were a day 1 scenario) for NY-PA. The question is: how could this solution alter throughout the week? The models seem progressive enough at the moment. I suppose a trend north with all synoptic features is a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Its days like yesterday that try to suck me back in again and away from my defensive mode to tstms in coastal areas. It's like the hot girl you used to have a huge crush on in junior high. You always like her and wanted to date, but you never had a chance or even thought about it. Then, in one miraculous move she asks you to dance and you get sucked right back into the thinking you can get her again..only to be disappointed. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Monday has a lagging issue for sure. There is plenty of time to get that straightened out. Everyone is talking about Friday and rightfully so. The 6z GFS scenario would be close to a high risk (if it were a day 1 scenario) for NY-PA. The question is: how could this solution alter throughout the week? The models seem progressive enough at the moment. I suppose a trend north with all synoptic features is a possibility. Wouldn't mind to see Monday slow down a bit so we can get the UL support in with best low level convergence on Tuesday. Friday could be big. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 That was kind of Tip-like reading it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HM Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Wouldn't mind to see Monday slow down a bit so we can get the UL support in with best low level convergence on Tuesday. Friday could be big. We'll see. Yeah, I think you are right given that the wind fields are still back across the Ohio Valley / Lakes at 00z Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Timing is a little up in the air. Could be delayed to Tuesday??? I also like Friday as a potential severe day looking way ahead. If it's delayed till Tuesday I would think that would be bad since it would probably be a morning fropa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 If it's delayed till Tuesday I would think that would be bad since it would probably be a morning fropa Maybe. A monday fropa would be sort of blah. As HM said the best deep layer shear is all west on Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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