TUweathermanDD Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Berk is questioning yesterday's high at BWI I am questioning berks ability to forecast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 I am questioning berks ability to forecast. Does he have an agreement with weatherbug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellinwood Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Does he have an agreement with weatherbug? He must The man's obsessed. Power's out at home... major intersection nearby has police directing traffic. Really glad that this happened today and not yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 He must The man's obsessed. Power's out at home... major intersection nearby has police directing traffic. Really glad that this happened today and not yesterday. Exactly my thinking,,, it is always NWS vs weatherbug with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Berk is questioning yesterday's high at BWI lol.. i just read his piece. what makes weatherbug the authority in temps anyway? i do cringe when people cite the city reading tho i suppose it's legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 i dont get the whole lst issue either. it's lst.. case closed. how the nws doesnt know the answer is a bit peculiar.. maybe he takled to an intern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 lol.. i just read his piece. what makes weatherbug the authority in temps anyway? i do cringe when people cite the city reading tho i suppose it's legit. It was only mentioned bc it was so hot. But most people should know a major city is always going to run warmer than surrounding areas. It's not an official reading in terms of records, so I don't quite understand what all the hoopla is regarding it anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellinwood Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 i dont get the whole lst issue either. it's lst.. case closed. how the nws doesnt know the answer is a bit peculiar.. maybe he takled to an intern. He's probably just doing all of this for the attention... and/or the fact the he must be bored out of his mind. All he's got now is his Examiner column as far as I know. EDIT: I realize that the conversation is getting a bit off-topic... gonna stop now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Balti Zen Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Berk is questioning yesterday's high at BWI Its possible he has lost his mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUweathermanDD Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 It was only mentioned bc it was so hot. But most people should know a major city is always going to run warmer than surrounding areas. It's not an official reading in terms of records, so I don't quite understand what all the hoopla is regarding it anyways. Exactly, its not like its possessing Baltimore's all time record. Now hes not only questioning DMH (md sci ctr) but also BWI, which is closer to Baltimore and industry surrounds. Its been running maybe a degree warm but I see no reason to treat that with as little salt as an inner harbor reading. Regardless, Berk has nothing better to do, as he is part of the jobless claims report... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avdave Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 It was only mentioned bc it was so hot. But most people should know a major city is always going to run warmer than surrounding areas. It's not an official reading in terms of records, so I don't quite understand what all the hoopla is regarding it anyways. Im not defending Berk but something is wrong when a few blocks in the city and one is 98* and the other is 104*. Even Bob ryan down here says something is suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Im not defending Berk but something is wrong when a few blocks in the city and one is 98* and the other is 104*. Even Bob ryan down here says something is suspect. its no different when people scream about DCA. the location sucks for both and these are the types of numbers one will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Exactly, its not like its possessing Baltimore's all time record. Now hes not only questioning DMH (md sci ctr) but also BWI, which is closer to Baltimore and industry surrounds. Its been running maybe a degree warm but I see no reason to treat that with as little salt as an inner harbor reading. Regardless, Berk has nothing better to do, as he is part of the jobless claims report... Ouch...little harsh there and was probably unnecessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Im not defending Berk but something is wrong when a few blocks in the city and one is 98* and the other is 104*. Even Bob ryan down here says something is suspect. Do other major cities have the same problem? NWS says one thing vs weatherbug/wunderground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avdave Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 its no different when people scream about DCA. the location sucks for both and these are the types of numbers one will see. but DCA is more consistent with other stations nearby. i think the inner harbor and wx bug are maybe 4 blocks apart? DCA is 91 and wxbug in arlington is 93, not to shabby inner harbor is 96 and wxbug at science center is 90, BWI is 90, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scuddz Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 How do we know that the inner harbor isnt right and everyone else is wrong? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 but DCA is more consistent with other stations nearby. i think the inner harbor and wx bug are maybe 4 blocks apart? DCA is 91 and wxbug in arlington is 93, not to shabby inner harbor is 96 and wxbug at science center is 90, BWI is 90, Where is the weatherbug station located? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Do other major cities have the same problem? NWS says one thing vs weatherbug/wunderground im sure it's a 'problem' all over the country. but no station is perfect. if we took dca temps in rock creek park or at the observatory it would not be totally representative either. i don't even know anything about the inner harbor siting but i'd assume it's poorly sited. not to say it did not actually hit 107 at that location yesterday though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellinwood Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Yay power's back A mere 1.5 hours of outage time. 2pm temps (highs)... DCA: 92 (93) BWI: 92 (93) IAD: 92 (92) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 im sure it's a 'problem' all over the country. but no station is perfect. if we took dca temps in rock creek park or at the observatory it would not be totally representative either. i don't even know anything about the inner harbor siting but i'd assume it's poorly sited. not to say it did not actually hit 107 at that location yesterday though... It sits right along the Harbor, surrounded by asphalt. I've just accepted regardless of where you are in the city, it's going to be warmer than areas outside of it. The complaining about it (not you Dave) gets a little tiresome though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 but DCA is more consistent with other stations nearby. i think the inner harbor and wx bug are maybe 4 blocks apart? DCA is 91 and wxbug in arlington is 93, not to shabby inner harbor is 96 and wxbug at science center is 90, BWI is 90, There's probably a good reason for Inner Harbor's higher temps. Downsloping off Federal Hill? Methane from dolphin farts at the Aquarium? Heat given off by decomposing sewage in the water? Proximity to Peter Angelos's office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellinwood Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 It sits right along the Harbor, surrounded by asphalt. I've just accepted regardless of where you are in the city, it's going to be warmer than areas outside of it. The complaining about it (not you Dave) gets a little tiresome though Pretty much. I think the issue at hand is more so whether or not BWI is calibrated correctly vs. whether or not it's representative of the region (or at least that's what I hope it is). I would hope that the NWS/FAA would have already tested it to make sure in recent months, but at the same time BWI's temps don't appear to be THAT abnormal to me. What I'd like to see is a full 360-degree view around the weatherbug stations like some of the ASOS stations have. Microclimates can do some crazy things. I wish I still had the link to the ASOS 360 view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 arent most wxbug stations on roofs etc? why are they using those as QC if they don't follow the temp measurement rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 berk says wxbug is calibrated for surface readings.. whatever that means. so they're guessing i guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Berk seems to complain about a lot of things these days... Anyway, I would like some rain please. A nice storm would be nice as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 berk says wxbug is calibrated for surface readings.. whatever that means. so they're guessing i guess. Is that different than what the NWS does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellinwood Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 berk says wxbug is calibrated for surface readings.. whatever that means. so they're guessing i guess. Highly suspect if they aren't reading true 2m temps. The lowest several feet behave a lot differently than air that's several stories up. Good luck on Twitter I've grown tired of debating Berk on Twitter since he'll never cave/stop no matter what the counter-argument is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 radar is just now starting to show some signs of life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellinwood Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Day TWO update puts us in a Slight Risk... still a See Text for today: VALID 201200Z - 211200Z FARTHER NORTHEAST...OTHER STRONG/POTENTIALLY SEVERE TSTMS ARE EXPECTED ALONG THE FRONTAL SEGMENT NEAR THE APPALACHIANS AND INTO THE MID-ATLANTIC STATES/DELMARVA REGION. A LESSER DEGREE OF DESTABILIZATION/MORE MEAGER LAPSE RATES WILL BE OFFSET BY SLIGHTLY STRONGER MID-LEVEL WESTERLIES...ESPECIALLY ACROSS THE DELMARVA REGION IN VICINITY OF A SURFACE LOW/WEST-EAST FRONTAL ZONE. ALTHOUGH KEY UNCERTAINTIES EXIST REGARDING THE POTENTIAL FOR LINGERING EARLY DAY CLOUD COVER/PRECIPITATION...SOMEWHAT HIGHER SEVERE PROBABILITIES COULD ULTIMATELY BE WARRANTED FOR EASTERN VA/DELMARVA VICINITY SHOULD SUFFICIENT DESTABILIZATION OCCUR NEAR/SOUTH OF THE WARM-FRONTAL ZONE ACROSS THE REGION. REGARDLESS...DAMAGING WINDS/SEVERE HAIL WILL BE POSSIBLE WITH THE STRONGER STORMS ESPECIALLY FRIDAY AFTERNOON/EARLY EVENING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted July 19, 2012 Share Posted July 19, 2012 Is that different than what the NWS does? I believe their stations take true 2 meter temps. It's not an apples to apples comparison at the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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