Trent Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I have been saying the EXACT same thing here!!! True, DTW is way more urbanized (though still suburban) than it was 20 years ago, and DET is much less urbanized....likewise...true there is some downsloping that is said to occur between Ypsilanti and DTW. That said, the rate at which DTW beats DET is WAY more frequent than I ever remember it, and it seemed to have come out of nowhere in recent months (DET has always had the marine influence btw). DET and DTW both ended up with same average temp last month (72.3) http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KDET/2012/6/2/MonthlyHistory.html#calendar I do think though that any sort of "bump" in temps at DTW has been built into the climate normals. Take for example FNT and DTW last month. FNT was 69.2 or + 2.7 DTW was 72.3 or + 2.9 Detroit has been a good 3 degrees warmer than Flint on average everyday last month, but in the end both sites still had the same temperature anomalies, which is what should happen in a region. If you've got city A and nearby city B having huge variations in their temp anomalies, then there's concern for tainted temperatures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Not to beat this semi-dead horse, but...I just looked it up. Since June 1st, MDW has beaten ORD in max temps only twice...on June 17th and 28th. Doesn't pass the smell test. ORD is simply running hot. Probably a sensor miscalibration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 It's gonna be interesting to watch the temps in the coming days. The ridge will be centered farther north than what we've seen, which would suggest that the highest temps should be north but the drought is much worse farther south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I'm wondering since the drier soils are in far northern IL and wetter soils to the south, will RFD be hotter than ORD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 It's gonna be interesting to watch the temps in the coming days. The ridge will be centered farther north than what we've seen, which would suggest that the highest temps should be north but the drought is much worse farther south. I foresee the potential for some insane heat index readings in nrn IL/nrn IN this week, especially for the I-88 and I-80 corridors with all the precip since the end of last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 I'm wondering since the drier soils are in far northern IL and wetter soils to the south, will RFD be hotter than ORD? It didn't make a difference today, as both sites hit 98. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowMeHunter Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 AC is working hard with the 70 dp's. mid 60's and under she has no problem keeping it 66 and under. today can't get the temp below 72, yuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Still 81 here after midnight, which is pretty damn warm for being out in the sticks. Regarding thermometer sensors I know my Davis runs at least 1-2 degrees too hot on days when it's really hot and there's little or no wind. Even though the thermometer shelter housing is well ventilated, on calm days there's no question the temp is a degree or two too warm in the middle of the day. They sell aspirators for sensor equipment but I haven't got that fancy yet lol. I can live with a degree or two on the days that are calm/near calm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCNYILWX Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 ORD is simply running hot. Probably a sensor miscalibration. It's the construction in the area. The sensor was swapped out last week just in case, but it was dead on with the sling psychrometer reading, and the new one was too. If it continues to run hotter than mdw in general (about 2f warmer than mdw with max T since at least May) it's definitely because of the construction and unfortunately there's nothing that can be done about it. It's really too bad back in 1980 that the observations were shifted from mdw to ord because mdw is more representative of Chicago than ord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted July 3, 2012 Author Share Posted July 3, 2012 Even though it screws with the historical record, it's sorta neat to see how these changes around O'Hare have been enough to alter the temps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 It's the construction in the area. The sensor was swapped out last week just in case, but it was dead on with the sling psychrometer reading, and the new one was too. If it continues to run hotter than mdw in general (about 2f warmer than mdw with max T since at least May) it's definitely because of the construction and unfortunately there's nothing that can be done about it. It's really too bad back in 1980 that the observations were shifted from mdw to ord because mdw is more representative of Chicago than ord. Haha don't get me started on that rant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCNYILWX Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Haha don't get me started on that rant... http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lot/?n=history The distance isn't listed but even the moves that have taken place since the site has been ORD have been at least a few miles each. The Chicago climate record is pretty terribly compromised already. Now interestingly because of the construction, the average high temps at ord make it seem even more urban than mdw and the ho83 at northerly island. Until last Thurs, ORD was regularly seeing warmer highs than cgx, even on non lake breeze days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewers Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Starting the day off at 78/70 My point and click has 4 straight days of 100's 102/100/101/101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 LOT going with 100+ today through Friday. An OFB racing south across WI and cirrus could both end up being issues for today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Point and click for LAF... Today 97, Wed 99, Thu 99, Fri 99, Sat 97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizardMafia Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Point and click for LAF... Today 97, Wed 99, Thu 99, Fri 99, Sat 97 At least no 100s.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Lots of clouds to the north in southern MN and Wisconsin. Also new thunderstorm development in southern Wisconsin. Could take a bit out of temps today in northern IL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Lots of convection to mess with temps. Gotta keeP the streak alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Lots of clouds to the north in southern MN and Wisconsin. Also new thunderstorm development in southern Wisconsin. Could take a bit out of temps today in northern IL. yep, we're going to have a hard time making a run at 100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Up to 79° here. High clouds streaming in from the north though off those t-storms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 ORD is a degree ahead of yesterday with a lower DP...if it wasn't for convective debris 100 would be a safe bet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kab2791 Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Hopefully after this morning convection moves out, temps can take off and hit at least 90, to keep the streak alive before the next round develops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtlehurricane Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Hopefully after this morning convection moves out, temps can take off and hit at least 90, to keep the streak alive before the next round develops. Move to Florida if that's what you want lol 79 °F with all sorts of convective debris and outflow around, it could still hit 100 if things clear out fast enough, but if this persists for a few hours then prob not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Move to Florida if that's what you want lol 79 °F with all sorts of convective debris and outflow around, it could still hit 100 if things clear out fast enough, but if this persists for a few hours then prob not. Turtle, did you see MSN's point for Thursday? 104F, how often do you hit that in Florida? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Wisconsin- You don't hit that in Florida, maybe north Florida far away from the ocean... Anyone see this? I guess the heat caused the pavement to buckle in Eau Claire, WI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago WX Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Daily records for Indianapolis through the weekend... July 3: 100º in 1911 July 4: 103º in 1911 July 5: 99º in 1936 July 6: 99º in 1988 July 7: 101º in 1936 July 8: 104º in 1936 Same for Evansville... July 3: 101º in 1911 July 4: 101º in 1921 July 5: 99º in 1953 July 6: 99º in 1921 and 1930 July 7: 106º in 1936 July 8: 103º in 1936 Fort Wayne's records... July 3: 99º in 1911 and 1955 July 4: 101º in 1955 July 5: 99º in 1988 July 6: 99º in 1988 July 7: 102º in 1988 July 8: 104º in 1936 And finally, South Bend... July 3: 98º in 1897 July 4: 99º in 1911 and 1921 July 5: 100º in 1911 July 6: 100º in 1911 and 1988 July 7: 102º in 1936 July 8: 106º in 1936 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 ORD was running warmer than yesterday until the last ob...some filtered sun making it through but I think 100 is off the table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxMidwest Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 Wisconsin- You don't hit that in Florida, maybe north Florida far away from the ocean... Anyone see this? I guess the heat caused the pavement to buckle in Eau Claire, WI wow, that is crazy, this thing should go viral.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 It will be interesting to see if clouds clear enough for ORD to hit 90+ later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted July 3, 2012 Share Posted July 3, 2012 It will be interesting to see if clouds clear enough for ORD to hit 90+ later. I don't think 90 will be a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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