Heat Wave - June 20-23

[powderfreak]

I am such a weenie at work, when there is ground fog in the summer on my way in the first thing I do is check the computer readouts.

Haha you have no idea man...all winter all I do is continuously monitor temperatures at the ski resort. I'm always calculating lapse rates, looking at winds, dew points, etc. I'm obsessed with it and very lucky to have stations all over the place from 1300-4000ft to look at. Snowmaking Control is also a weenies delight with 100ft increments all the way up and down trails.

[moneypitmike]

My turn, working off the back deck, technology is a great thing.

Looking great, Steve. Nice el from the deck! We need a picture of your station though to see if it's properly sited.

Enjoy your sun down there! (p/c still calls for sunny and 71).

[Tropopause_Fold]

You just proved my point for me. The readings on home wx stations and Asos are all legit. They are products of the environments that they are in. It's a joke when people accuse people of lying or questions their temps. You can make generalizations of geographic areas based off of this. Cooler areas with higher dews tend to be in elevated areas with forest and drier , torch areas tend to be in places with little vegetation and tons of asphalt and low elevations like BDL EWR and Dorchester. Just like when people used to question the Asos in Central Park, it was in a shaded heavily forested enviro but it was the correct reading for where it was situated

[TalcottWx]

We should just throw meteorology out the window.

Some people do

[TalcottWx]

Misting in East Falmouth .. mid 60's... bleh... excited for the scorcher this week!!!

[Ginx snewx]

Looking great, Steve. Nice el from the deck! We need a picture of your station though to see if it's properly sited.

Enjoy your sun down there! (p/c still calls for sunny and 71).

No Davis here yet, lost my good station to Irene, anemometer cup broke somehow. Just have a LaCrosse for now. Davis by end of summer for the epic winter incoming.

[Typhoon Tip]

If anyone at NWS is listening, I'd strongly suggest entertaining excessive heat watches from Wednesday noon to Thursday, 6pm-ish.

Conceptually there is a rather extreme "whip-lash" affect here. It’s going to be more exerting then normal, because if we had a couple of weeks at 84-91 type days, a quick 2 day heat burst would be easier tolerated/acclimated, or even prepared. However, we’re going from upper 60’s, oceanic contaminated afternoons to the NAM’s MOS from 12z:

FIT:

100 70

And combined with the analysis I provided above, which I believe is Meteorologically clad, this could be underdone.

[Damage In Tolland]

No Davis here yet, lost my good station to Irene, anemometer cup broke somehow. Just have a LaCrosse for now. Davis by end of summer for the epic winter incoming.

Did part of the house fall on it?

[Tropopause_Fold]

If anyone at NWS is listening, I'd strongly suggest entertaining excessive heat watches from Wednesday noon to Thursday, 6pm-ish.

Conceptually there is a rather extreme "whip-lash" affect here. It’s going to be more exerting then normal, because if we had a couple of weeks at 84-91 type days, a quick 2 day heat burst would be easier tolerated/acclimated, or even prepared. However, we’re going from upper 60’s, oceanic contaminated afternoons to the NAM’s MOS from 12z:

FIT:

100 70

And combined with the analysis I provided above, which I believe is Meteorologically clad, this could be underdone.

double bunner

:weenie:

[Ginx snewx]

If anyone at NWS is listening, I'd strongly suggest entertaining excessive heat watches from Wednesday noon to Thursday, 6pm-ish.

Conceptually there is a rather extreme "whip-lash" affect here. It’s going to be more exerting then normal, because if we had a couple of weeks at 84-91 type days, a quick 2 day heat burst would be easier tolerated/acclimated, or even prepared. However, we’re going from upper 60’s, oceanic contaminated afternoons to the NAM’s MOS from 12z:

FIT:

100 70

And combined with the analysis I provided above, which I believe is Meteorologically clad, this could be underdone.

If its dry the shade provides relief at least.

[CoastalWx]

You just proved my point for me. The readings on home wx stations and Asos are all legit. They are products of the environments that they are in. It's a joke when people accuse people of lying or questions their temps. You can make generalizations of geographic areas based off of this. Cooler areas with higher dews tend to be in elevated areas with forest and drier , torch areas tend to be in places with little vegetation and tons of asphalt and low elevations like BDL EWR and Dorchester. Just like when people used to question the Asos in Central Park, it was in a shaded heavily forested enviro but it was the correct reading for where it was situated

You're missing the whole point. Sure a station can be representative of a bio hazard of a lawn but go next store, or down the street and it is different. And cooler areas with higher dews are not elevated.

[CoastalWx]

I can't wait until Tolland is colder than Norfolk with a colder atmosphere advection in from the west I love those explanations.

[Damage In Tolland]

You're missing the whole point. Sure a station can be representative of a bio hazard of a lawn but go next store, or down the street and it is different. And cooler areas with higher dews are not elevated.

A great example was last week when you said my dew was not 61 because HFD was 59 and that I was embellishing and then Metherb had to come in and chide and scold you that it was indeed correct based on geographic locale

[CoastalWx]

And that's what happens with summer. Evapotranspiration and foliage screw around to effect temps locally. That's all I'm saying.

[Damage In Tolland]

If anyone at NWS is listening, I'd strongly suggest entertaining excessive heat watches from Wednesday noon to Thursday, 6pm-ish.

Conceptually there is a rather extreme "whip-lash" affect here. It’s going to be more exerting then normal, because if we had a couple of weeks at 84-91 type days, a quick 2 day heat burst would be easier tolerated/acclimated, or even prepared. However, we’re going from upper 60’s, oceanic contaminated afternoons to the NAM’s MOS from 12z:

FIT:

100 70

And combined with the analysis I provided above, which I believe is Meteorologically clad, this could be underdone.

Would you like a job with the NWS? You could be the excessive heat watch issuer

[CoastalWx]

A great example was last week when you said my dew was not 61 because HFD was 59 and that I was embellishing and then Metherb had to come in and chide and scold you that it was indeed correct based on geographic locale

That's an incorrect statement and you made

My point. Thanks.

[Damage In Tolland]

That's an incorrect statement and you made

My point. Thanks.

I'll move my Davis to the top of my chimney . That will smoke out the higher dew point readings and add on a good 5-8 degrees to the temp so it's more realistic

[powderfreak]

You just proved my point for me. The readings on home wx stations and Asos are all legit. They are products of the environments that they are in. It's a joke when people accuse people of lying or questions their temps. You can make generalizations of geographic areas based off of this. Cooler areas with higher dews tend to be in elevated areas with forest and drier , torch areas tend to be in places with little vegetation and tons of asphalt and low elevations like BDL EWR and Dorchester. Just like when people used to question the Asos in Central Park, it was in a shaded heavily forested enviro but it was the correct reading for where it was situated

It is hard sometimes...I mean at my families lake house in Woodstock we are completely forested at 800ft and will often be a few degrees cooler than ORH. I usually can't accept that because it doesn't make sense with ORH slightly north and a little higher up.

However, I've got no where else to measure the temperature except in a wooded area, and that temperature is a good representation of what it feels like outside the camp. It's not an inaccurate thermometer, its jst that's the temperature back there on dirt roads heavily shaded by vegetation.

[Damage In Tolland]

It is hard sometimes...I mean at my families lake house in Woodstock we are completely forested at 800ft and will often be a few degrees cooler than ORH. I usually can't accept that because it doesn't make sense with ORH slightly north and a little higher up.

However, I've got no where else to measure the temperature except in a wooded area, and that temperature is a good representation of what it feels like outside the camp. It's not an inaccurate thermometer, its jst that's the temperature back there on dirt roads heavily shaded by vegetation.

Precisely. These guys have all been to mi casa numerous times. I live in a pretty dense oak forest. You've seen my pics. All of Tolland is elevated and heavily wooded , that's why all the sites in Tolland on the meso map are right on target with mine with the exception of 1 that is at the middle school .

[powderfreak]

I'll move my Davis to the top of my chimney . That will smoke out the higher dew point readings and add on a good 5-8 degrees to the temp so it's more realistic

You both are correct. A suburban or rural area with heavy vegetation (as is the case in a lot of New England outside cities where trees are mature close to homes) will be cooler and more humid than out in the open, even if it's a lower elevation. It may not make sense with thermodynamics and what we know about the free air atmosphere, so summer temps should be taken with a grain of salt in that regard. But on the flip side, those thermometers are also telling you a good idea of the temperature in that particular environment.

[MaineJayhawk]

Precisely. These guys have all been to mi casa numerous times. I live in a pretty dense oak forest. You've seen my pics. All of Tolland is elevated and heavily wooded , that's why all the sites in Tolland on the meso map are right on target with mine with the exception of 1 that is at the middle school .

Thankfully, when Pete comes down there and flattens your oaks per your request we won't have this problem.

[HIPPYVALLEY]

We may be heading into some high heat but today is well below average thus far.

Clouds still ruling the day. 65F

[CoastalWx]

Precisely. These guys have all been to mi casa numerous times. I live in a pretty dense oak forest. You've seen my pics. All of Tolland is elevated and heavily wooded , that's why all the sites in Tolland on the meso map are right on target with mine with the exception of 1 that is at the middle school .

Again, you are missing the point. Of course Tolland is heavily wooded. I'm not arguing that. But, you putting a sensor 5' above the ground being surrounded by acid forest is more akin to skin level temp and dew readings. I bet on a calm hot day, your TD could be 75 and then a gust of wind comes and knocks it to 70. That's all I'm saying...going back to the earlier post. Dendrite and numerous other people said this. What don't you get?

[Damage In Tolland]

You both are correct. A suburban or rural area with heavy vegetation (as is the case in a lot of New England outside cities where trees are mature close to homes) will be cooler and more humid than out in the open, even if it's a lower elevation. It may not make sense with thermodynamics and what we know about the free air atmosphere, so summer temps should be taken with a grain of salt in that regard. But on the flip side, those thermometers are also telling you a good idea of the temperature in that particular environment.

Ding ding ding...Blizz and Freak are mets of the day! Congrats to both

[CoastalWx]

Ding ding ding...Blizz and Freak are mets of the day! Congrats to both

Spin.

[CoastalWx]

GFS is a furnace Thursday. Tolland TD of 80.

[dendrite]

Some good battles today. Bravo.

All I'll add is that although the home stations may be close to accurately measuring everyones forested microclimates they may not be properly sited to make comparisons to the airport stations. It's like comparing apples to oranges if someone in the jungle in C MA at 700ft claims their max summer temps are colder on average than ORH.

[powderfreak]

Precisely. These guys have all been to mi casa numerous times. I live in a pretty dense oak forest. You've seen my pics. All of Tolland is elevated and heavily wooded , that's why all the sites in Tolland on the meso map are right on target with mine with the exception of 1 that is at the middle school .

A lot of New England is like that...most houses are old enough that the woods are fairly mature in residential areas.

The only way to replicate an ASOS is to stick a thermometer in like a Big Y or Walmart parking lot.

[CoastalWx]

Some good battles today. Bravo.

All I'll add is that although the home stations may be close to accurately measuring everyones forested microclimates they may not be properly sited to make comparisons to the airport stations. It's like comparing apples to oranges if someone in the jungle in C MA at 700ft claims their max summer temps are colder on average than ORH.

Thank you.

[CT Rain]

Some good battles today. Bravo.

All I'll add is that although the home stations may be close to accurately measuring everyones forested microclimates they may not be properly sited to make comparisons to the airport stations. It's like comparing apples to oranges if someone in the jungle in C MA at 700ft claims their max summer temps are colder on average than ORH.

Yes. This.

I could put a dew point sensor right above the lawn that I just watered and on a summer day you'll get a nasty looking dew point. While the dew point may actually be 80 degrees at that location you can't compare it to an ASOS reading at an airport. It's a totally different comparison. Using your own readings to compare against previous events at your own station is fine but that's about the most you can do. At least the airports with where they're sited and the requirements for siting an ASOS allow us to make useful comparisons between them. There's no way I could compare Kevin's weenie thermometer to mine and to BDL's. Apples and oranges.