powderfreak Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I say that all the time, but sometimes they don't get it lol. Yeah Pete will say they escaped the heat when they had the same exact departures from normal as the coastal plain... But I get it a lot at the ski area in the summer...we'll be at the summit restaurant with people eating outside at 3700ft and folks will be saying, "wow it's amazing how lucky you are to avoid the record heat wave at Stowe." I try to tell them that the 60-year COOP record is 73F and its currently 75F so no, in fact we are setting record high temperatures. It just doesn't penetrate though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Because GC is magical. I encourage visitors who want to escape the heat. Or visitors who just want to escape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 How on earth are you going to be 11-15F cooler than CEF, Mike? That is one helluva lapse rate up to 1000ft. A lot of these countryside meso sites are heavily forested so technically many dont have perfect siting specs with the excessive shade and transpiration in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 A lot of these countryside meso sites are heavily forested so technically many dont have perfect siting specs with the excessive shade and transpiration in the summer. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I encourage visitors who want to escape the heat. Or visitors who just want to escape. Ironically:( the home of the L2L will be one of the coolest locales around, thus why I shall work inland, if you want relief head to the beach. GC is going to absolutely bake and probably be the warmest relative to average or darn close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 It's all relative. It is a mega torch for GC, but being 1000ft obviously means it will be a little cooler. It's not like GC is purposely cooler or 20 degrees cooler than ern MA. So true. 90% of the population in GC will see 90F. Even in W. Ma and the Berkshires most of the population lives below 1K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Mike it's possible your thermometer may be a degree or so too cool. I can't see how you could be 3 or 4 cooler than ORH with an elevation difference of 60ft. I think one key element is likely my specific geography that is very different that ORH. Unlike ORH, my 1000' has within about 1/2 mile of me both 1400' (west) and 1200' (east) with dives in between to 600' elevations. Somewhat similar to ORH is that I can go 5 miles into Greenfield and be at 180'. Perhaps that allows me to experience some of those higher elevation temps while I have a more moderate one. A lot of these countryside meso sites are heavily forested so technically many dont have perfect siting specs with the excessive shade and transpiration in the summer. No doubt, I have 'forested' areas nearby (100 yards or so). My immediate surroundings are more farmland. I'm sited on the border of my lawn and my hayfield. I could see about 90 or so for you. Sound about right. Enough about me, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Yeah not happpening...CEF is not going to be like 97 while he is 85. No, but if my NWS of 90 and Kev's 100's play out, there you would have it. Of course, that's making a crazy assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 I think one key element is likely my specific geography that is very different that ORH. Unlike ORH, my 1000' has within about 1/2 mile of me both 1400' (west) and 1200' (east) with dives in between to 600' elevations. Somewhat similar to ORH is that I can go 5 miles into Greenfield and be at 180'. Perhaps that allows me to experience some of those higher elevation temps while I have a more moderate one. No doubt, I have 'forested' areas nearby (100 yards or so). My immediate surroundings are more farmland. I'm sited on the border of my lawn and my hayfield. Sound about right. Enough about me, though. I don't think the hills have anything to do with it, other than helping your overnight lows. If anything, having the crest to your west would facilitate downsloping. But anyways, put the shawl away for a few days..lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 A lot of these countryside meso sites are heavily forested so technically many dont have perfect siting specs with the excessive shade and transpiration in the summer. That's what I figure when I look and see the countryside with lapse rates of 8-15F over 800-1200ft elevation differences from spots like BDL or CEF. Hillsides in CT on either side of BDL often have big differences for minimal elevation gain, too...not just GC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 So long as a weak seabreeze does not occur at the terminal, I could see a heatwave at Logan...or eastern MA for that matter. Friday looks hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Siting differences will cause most of the discrepency that physical lapse rates cannot explain...if your thermo is sited around a lot of foliage/tall grass/etc, then you are going to be colder in the summer time than a thermometer sited at an airport all else being equal. It makes for an apples to oranges comparison. Its one reason I don't like scrutinizing temperatures in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 Siting differences will cause most of the discrepency that physical lapse rates cannot explain...if your thermo is sited around a lot of foliage/tall grass/etc, then you are going to be colder in the summer time than a thermometer sited at an airport all else being equal. It makes for an apples to oranges comparison. Its one reason I don't like scrutinizing temperatures in the summer. I like how Kevin uses his dewpoint which is subject to chemically enhanced evapotranspiration in the summer, and ORH temp in the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 So long as a weak seabreeze does not occur at the terminal, I could see a heatwave at Logan...or eastern MA for that matter. Friday looks hot. yeah that looks like one of those days with the huge temp jump from 9 to noon then things sort of level off - ends up 90ish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 Siting differences will cause most of the discrepency that physical lapse rates cannot explain...if your thermo is sited around a lot of foliage/tall grass/etc, then you are going to be colder in the summer time than a thermometer sited at an airport all else being equal. It makes for an apples to oranges comparison. Its one reason I don't like scrutinizing temperatures in the summer. It's important pointing these out, because it explains some issues to people who's temp may be a degree or two cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 yeah that looks like one of those days with the huge temp jump from 9 to noon then things sort of level off - ends up 90ish? Usually 570 thicknesses and NW winds is a lock for 90 there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I don't think the hills have anything to do with it, other than helping your overnight lows. If anything, having the crest to your west would facilitate downsloping. But anyways, put the shawl away for a few days..lol. I always wondered about that...with 2K and higher off to the west, wouldn't even the East Slope see some minor compressional heating? I know it happens even up here on the East Slope of the Green Spine...at the very least we'll get a good solid 5-6F/1000ft lapse rate on the east side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Ironically:( the home of the L2L will be one of the coolest locales around, thus why I shall work inland, if you want relief head to the beach. GC is going to absolutely bake and probably be the warmest relative to average or darn close. I completely agree on relative to averages. I've never questioned that. I don't think the hills have anything to do with it, other than helping your overnight lows. If anything, having the crest to your west would facilitate downsloping. But anyways, put the shawl away for a few days..lol. I think I'm too close to those crests (down and then back up) for any downsloping. That doesn't kick in until you're heading into G'field. As far as cooling goes, I don't radiate for sh*t. I'm always one of the warmest overnight spots not only in the region, but I think for a lot of SNE. lol Anyway--let's get back to more general discussion rather than the idiosyncracies of the Pit. But, visitors are welcome. I still invite Chris to take away some wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 18, 2012 Author Share Posted June 18, 2012 I completely agree on relative to averages. I've never questioned that. I think I'm too close to those crests (down and then back up) for any downsloping. That doesn't kick in until you're heading into G'field. As far as cooling goes, I don't radiate for sh*t. I'm always one of the warmest overnight spots not only in the region, but I think for a lot of SNE. lol Anyway--let's get back to more general discussion rather than the idiosyncracies of the Pit. But, visitors are welcome. I still invite Chris to take away some wood. Well BOS experiences downsloping from the Berks and ORH hills so you will always experience some. Because Greenfield is so low, the effects of it are much more substantial there. You don't need to be right at the bottom of a mtn to experience it. Most of us here do. But in the winter, the region as a whole is elevated so despite some drying up of snow showers from the lakes, you'll still experience some spill over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Thinking 98-100 could be doable in most low spots Thursday. Seabreeze possible for Logan though albeit feeble. 101-102 BDL/DXR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 We have a better chance for convection on Thursday than we do with the actual cold front Friday I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 It makes for an apples to oranges comparison. Its one reason I don't like scrutinizing temperatures in the summer. Very good point...we probably scrutinize temps far too much in the summer. In the winter I've noticed the magical GC lapse rate disappears once everything dies and the trees are bare. In winter, GC much more closely resembles northern ORH county and SW NH like it should given similar elevations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 We have a better chance for convection on Thursday than we do with the actual cold front Friday I think We have zero chance for storms on Thursday..Have you looked at anything? Completely capped. Won't even be any clouds. This is one of those brutal, brutal 3-4 day heat waves that ends with a dry fropa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 101-102 BDL/DXR lol for which day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 lol for which day? Thursday..with Euro 850's of +22..100 is a lock. a little w/nw downslope..tack on 1-2 more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 This is one of those brutal, brutal 3-4 day heat waves that ends with a dry fropa. I think you forgot another brutal in there. at the hype...even LL just said it's a run of the mill summer warm up for a couple days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Miser Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Euro with 850's of +21 to +22 should equate to 99-100 on Wed and 101-102 Thurs at BDL Fri still very hot..Looks like a 93 or 94 at BDL Long term looks seasonable to slightly above..Not cool..just comfortable Won't be comfortable for you unless it 100f and 70 dews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 Thursday..with Euro 850's of +22..100 is a lock. a little w/nw downslope..tack on 1-2 more Eh, I see more 98ish. Models look a bit warmer overnight. Still don't see anything jumping out at me to say 100+. Euro at this juncture is normally spitting out +24s all over the place only to come back to reality 12-24 hours out... and there's no +24s to be had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I think you forgot another brutal in there. at the hype...even LL just said it's a run of the mill summer warm up for a couple days. Don't you know his game? When everything looks bleak and it's obvious the wx is bad..he makes things great..when it's obvious that the wx is nice and hot and sunny or whatever..he likes to meh things down, and make them seem like no big deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted June 18, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 We have zero chance for storms on Thursday..Have you looked at anything? Completely capped. Won't even be any clouds. This is one of those brutal, brutal 3-4 day heat waves that ends with a dry fropa. I don't know what the KFS schooling of meteorology taught you but we are not completely capped. Do height falls or cooling 700mb temps mean anything to you? In fact, the 0z GFS bufkit heavily decreases the cap and by 2 PM there is very little CIN and by 5 PM all the CIN is pretty much eroded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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