CT Rain Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 BDL tarmac is a joke, they average 3 degrees warmer than any other spot in the 5 climo site region. Probably because they're the warmest. I have no problem with the siting there. Yes there's some concrete but certainly not much compared to other areas. They downslope easily and are the last in ct to get the sea breeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Boston going to pull a -7 for today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Probably because they're the warmest. And its a great spot for some folks to use in order to verify their torch calls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Probably because they're the warmest. I have no problem with the siting there. Yes there's some concrete but certainly not much compared to other areas. They downslope easily and are the last in ct to get the sea breeze. Perhaps but nearby coops are always cooler, not a good representation of a populated area, great for GW folks though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Perhaps but nearby coops are always cooler, not a good representation of a populated area, great for GW folks though. That seems to happen around a lot of ASOS sites... PWS and Coops and CoCoRAHS observations almost always seem cooler in the same area as the ASOS. It happened a lot around BTV up here when I lived there... but I think its more of a function of all those other spots being in like residential neighborhoods with lots of trees and wooded areas. I feel like its hard to replicate an ASOS out in the middle of an airport with a weather station at home unless you have access to a giant field or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 64/53 Refreshingly cool. Edit. High of 68F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 That seems to happen around a lot of ASOS sites... PWS and Coops and CoCoRAHS observations almost always seem cooler in the same area as the ASOS. It happened a lot around BTV up here when I lived there... but I think its more of a function of all those other spots being in like residential neighborhoods with lots of trees and wooded areas. I feel like its hard to replicate an ASOS out in the middle of an airport with a weather station at home unless you have access to a giant field or something. Oh I know but as a reference point I always had an issue with ASOS, long term COOPS are not home weather stations FYI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Boston going to pull a -7 for today I was actually sweating a bit doing yardwork and working the grill at the ballgame. Not so hot, but full sun here. Only 72F for the high. Perfect June weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Perhaps but nearby coops are always cooler, not a good representation of a populated area, great for GW folks though. What nearby coops? Seems quite representative of the area in the valley up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I would say today was a top 10 day..Just gorgeous . Temps near 80..couple clouds..perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Oh I know but as a reference point I always had an issue with ASOS, long term COOPS are not home weather stations FYI Long term COOPs are in someone's backyard, right? Its essentially a PWS but perhaps with more thought into the equipment and siting...its still someone's weather station that's not at an airport in a field, but not all PWS are just on the side of someone's house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 That seems to happen around a lot of ASOS sites... PWS and Coops and CoCoRAHS observations almost always seem cooler in the same area as the ASOS. It happened a lot around BTV up here when I lived there... but I think its more of a function of all those other spots being in like residential neighborhoods with lots of trees and wooded areas. I feel like its hard to replicate an ASOS out in the middle of an airport with a weather station at home unless you have access to a giant field or something. Outside of an airport, it's pretty hard to properly site instruments to the OFCM (FCM-S4-1994) standard. ASOS also has the accurate and reliability thing going for it given the cost of it is in the six figures. The temperature sensor alone is accurate to a couple of tenths of a degree compared to the +/- 1C of most consumer grade sensors. You sort of have to give the nod to ASOS measurements over anything else because of its proper siting and better equipment. Oh I know but as a reference point I always had an issue with ASOS, long term COOPS are not home weather stations FYI Co-ops aren't anything special in terms of the standard issue equipment (though they generally don't use a tipping bucket gauge, so in that respect they're a bit more accurate on precipitation), and many of them aren't sited any better than home weather stations. Also most home stations can reset their high/low at midnight unlike many co-ops that haven't yet converted to the electronic max/min thermometer so someone has to religiously go out to reset the thermometers manually at 12z each day. With home weather stations being what they are today, it's foolish for NCDC to not admit home stations whose data has proven to be reliable into the climate record. Lots of us have kept meticulous climate records for long periods of time. If it's good enough for MADIS it should be good enough for NCDC. I guess the inclusion of CoCoRaHS stations is a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob40 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 BDL tarmac is a joke, they average 3 degrees warmer than any other spot in the 5 climo site region. CEF and BAF both hit 80 between hours. Your post is a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 CEF and BAF both hit 80 between hours. Your post is a joke. The bdl Asos is in a good location. Not an urban area, relatively small airport, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 BDL tarmac is a joke, they average 3 degrees warmer than any other spot in the 5 climo site region. Probably because they're the warmest. I have no problem with the siting there. Yes there's some concrete but certainly not much compared to other areas. They downslope easily and are the last in ct to get the sea breeze. I've been saying for years that when they changed the siting of the ASOS station in the early 90s that their temps went up, both daytime and night time. One thing that people need to remember is that the station is primarily there for air safety, not climate monitoring. While the sensor might be accurate, it may not be truly representative of an area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 CEF and BAF both hit 80 between hours. Your post is a joke. Many other spots in interior CT hit 80 today. It wasn't just BDL. Tomorrow will be close..but may be a degree or 2 cooler. Depends on if there's any valley fog which may linger till mid morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob40 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I've been saying for years that when they changed the siting of the ASOS station in the early 90s that their temps went up, both daytime and night time. One thing that people need to remember is that the station is primarily there for air safety, not climate monitoring. While the sensor might be accurate, it may not be truly representative of an area. Well if Goshen at 1450' came in at 74 for the day and Peru at 1900' reported 72, the 80 reading at BDL as well as CEF's and BAF's readings would seem to be spot on IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Many other spots in interior CT hit 80 today. It wasn't just BDL. Tomorrow will be close..but may be a degree or 2 cooler. Depends on if there's any valley fog which may linger till mid morning Well if Goshen at 1450' came in at 74 for the day and Peru at 1900' reported 72, the 80 reading at BDL as well as CEF's and BAF's readings would seem to be spot on IMO. What is the big deal about 80º? Isn't that about their normal max for this date any way? Besides, with their low of 52º being below normal, won't the day come in negative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob40 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 What is the big deal about 80º? Isn't that about their normal max for this date any way? Besides, with their low of 52º being below normal, won't the day come in negative? Not arguing your point at all. Mr. Ginx seems to think the readings at BDL are a joke. My point is that the readings at the 2 remote mountainous areas seem to correlate well with the temps reported at all 3 valley stations today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I've been saying for years that when they changed the siting of the ASOS station in the early 90s that their temps went up, both daytime and night time. One thing that people need to remember is that the station is primarily there for air safety, not climate monitoring. While the sensor might be accurate, it may not be truly representative of an area. I think it was shown that ASOS temperatures were cooler than measurements previously taken in the same location due to the better radiation shields and more accurate sensors they use. ASOS is blameless here from a climate record keeping standpoint in my opinion since it has a relatively short lifespan. People are acting like it was never hot before ASOS which is only a 15 year old program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Not arguing your point at all. Mr. Ginx seems to think the readings at BDL are a joke. My point is that the readings at the 2 remote mountainous areas seem to correlate well with the temps reported at all 3 valley stations today. Their snow measurements stink tho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I think it was shown that ASOS temperatures were cooler than measurements previously taken in the same location due to the better radiation shields and more accurate sensors they use. ASOS is blameless here from a climate record keeping standpoint in my opinion since it has a relatively short lifespan. People are acting like it was never hot before ASOS which is only a 15 year old program. How do you know so much about these programs, the instruments, etc? Not arguing your point mind you, just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I think it was shown that ASOS temperatures were cooler than measurements previously taken in the same location due to the better radiation shields and more accurate sensors they use. ASOS is blameless here from a climate record keeping standpoint in my opinion since it has a relatively short lifespan. People are acting like it was never hot before ASOS which is only a 15 year old program. I have no problem with ASOS...in fact, I've been looking at equivalent temp sensors to improve the quality of my remote readings. I'm just questioning the placement of the BDL sensor. It moved in the early 90s. It used to be in an open field far from the terminal in a farmers field on the other side of Rte 75. Now it's on the airport property, closer to he terminal and tarmac. Again, I don't doubt the readings from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 How do you know so much about these programs, the instruments, etc? Not arguing your point mind you, just curious. Most of this information is available on the various NOAA sites. You may have to dig a bit and research, but it's all publicly available for those willing to look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 66/56, a high of 73. Just got home from a bbq in Goshen. Horseback riding and firepit FTW. It's wonderfully cool out there. So awesome. Just nothing remotely uncomfortable or torchlike about this stretch of weather, More than halfway through June now with no heat to speak of. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 66/56, a high of 73. Just got home from a bbq in Goshen. Horseback riding and firepit FTW. It's wonderfully cool out there. So awesome. Just nothing remotely uncomfortable or torchlike about this stretch of weather, More than halfway through June now with no heat to speak of. Nice. And starting Thursday the days start getting shorter. How long 'til birds start flying south and the leaves get that leathery late summery look? Is it 6 weeks or 7? I know GC starts early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 75 for the second day in a row here. Guess we have to endure a few mid/upper 80's days mid/late week, but it should break good after that. 75 days until met. autumn. 66/56, a high of 73. Just got home from a bbq in Goshen. Horseback riding and firepit FTW. It's wonderfully cool out there. So awesome. Just nothing remotely uncomfortable or torchlike about this stretch of weather, More than halfway through June now with no heat to speak of. Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 17, 2012 Author Share Posted June 17, 2012 GC peeps would have liked it here in se mass today. 57 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 GC peeps would have liked it here in se mass today. 57 now. Same temp here. High of 72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 17, 2012 Author Share Posted June 17, 2012 Same temp here. High of 72 65 here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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