Hoosier Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Yes, the EML has played a significant role in many of the historic outbreaks east of the Mississippi. Ain't it the truth. I wouldn't call it a prerequisite for significant tornado outbreaks in our area but a lot of the bigger outbreaks have had it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 As is usual during cap busts, oh so close, yet so far. (You can see the inversions at 650 and 750 mb.) And actually the EML isn't all that dry, surprising enough. That MPX sounding is awesome! Minnesota and South Dakota sure are effective at getting the high supercell composite values without having a TORNADO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Overall, I'm a bit confused to the overall difference between CINH and EML in the Plains. They both seem to serve the same purpose, and do the same things IMO... Although as previously posted there is a bit of a difference of EML in the SE and EML in the Plains... EDIT: In other words EML and CINH both act as a cap in the Plains... Well the difference being that you can have CIN without an EML, but the EML is probably the most common contributor to CIN in the Plains. Sort of like every square is a rectangle, but not every rectangle is a square. It is important to note as well that while the EML sets the cap, it actually promotes convection once the cap is broken due to the steep lapse rates within the layer. Just taking CIN alone (without the background cause) does not tell you much about potential for convection once initiated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Ain't it the truth. I wouldn't call it a prerequisite for significant tornado outbreaks in our area but a lot of the bigger outbreaks have had it. And even farther east, 6/1/11 and the Springfield, MA tornado featured a nice remnant EML advecting over the top of the ridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baroclinic_instability Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I was looking at satellite marveling at the low topped, cold core supercells on vis right near Grand Forks. Then I saw they issued a tornado warning on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 the storm in central ks is pretty nice. tops to 55k here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo762 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Well the difference being that you can have CIN without an EML, but the EML is probably the most common contributor to CIN in the Plains. Sort of like every square is a rectangle, but not every rectangle is a square. It is important to note as well that while the EML sets the cap, it actually promotes convection once the cap is broken due to the steep lapse rates within the layer. Just taking CIN alone (without the background cause) does not tell you much about potential for convection once initiated. Oh... ok, thanks... It kind of makes more sense. But it's obviously a bit complicated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye05 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Looks like death ridge setting up in the mid range for the GFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 That's not a death ridge, the only thing that really looks like one is at around 84 hrs on the 12z GFS, and that doesn't last too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye05 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 That's not a death ridge, the only thing that really looks like one is at around 84 hrs on the 12z GFS, and that doesn't last too long. Yeah, 84hrs. Exactly what I was talking about. Whatever you want to call it, it isn't going to be helpful for any upcoming setups (if there even are any). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brettjrob Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Looks like death ridge setting up in the mid range for the GFS. Bring it on. Chase season effectively ended 5/30 for those unable to get out to the Intermountain West or Canada. I'm long over it. Most interesting weather we can hope for at this point is widespread 100s. Flamesuit on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo762 Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Bring it on. Chase season effectively ended 5/30 for those unable to get out to the Intermountain West or Canada. I'm long over it. Most interesting weather we can hope for at this point is widespread 100s. Flamesuit on... No kidding... Now we get to marvel at all the pinks and white on the sfc temp maps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo762 Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 Kind of Off Topic, but there not even an HWO out right now in 14 U.S. States, including 5 Central States... Pretty quite right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Mean supercell south of the Black Hills currently, tornado reported. BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTEDTORNADO WARNING NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHEYENNE WY 810 PM MDT FRI JUN 22 2012 THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN CHEYENNE HAS ISSUED A * TORNADO WARNING FOR... NORTHWESTERN DAWES COUNTY IN THE PANHANDLE OF NEBRASKA... NORTH CENTRAL SIOUX COUNTY IN THE PANHANDLE OF NEBRASKA... * UNTIL 845 PM MDT * AT 806 PM MDT...TRAINED WEATHER SPOTTERS REPORTED A TORNADO 12 MILES NORTH OF MONTROSE...OR 17 MILES SOUTHEAST OF EDGEMONT. DOPPLER RADAR SHOWED THIS TORNADO MOVING SOUTHEAST AT 30 MPH. AT 805 PM MDT...A TORNADO WAS REPORTED NEAR RUMFORD...MOVING SOUTHEAST AT 25 MPH. * LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE... WHITNEY LAKE...CHADRON AIRPORT AND WHITNEY. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... MOTORISTS SHOULD NOT TAKE SHELTER UNDER HIGHWAY OVERPASSES. AS A LAST RESORT...EITHER PARK YOUR VEHICLE AND STAY PUT...OR ABANDON YOUR VEHICLE AND LIE DOWN IN A LOW LYING AREA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 That thing has quite a couplet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Yes...yes it does...wow. Someone get a radar grab. Got one in NE Colorado as well, and another in the same area that looks good as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Nice reflectivity hole too. High Plains beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Jesus... SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENTNATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE RAPID CITY SD 820 PM MDT FRI JUN 22 2012 SDC047-230245- /O.CON.KUNR.TO.W.0006.000000T0000Z-120623T0245Z/ FALL RIVER SD- 820 PM MDT FRI JUN 22 2012 ...A TORNADO WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR SOUTH CENTRAL FALL RIVER COUNTY UNTIL 845 PM MDT... AT 815 PM MDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR AND STORM SPOTTERS WERE TRACKING A LARGE AND EXTREMELY DANGEROUS TORNADO. THIS TORNADO WAS LOCATED NEAR RUMFORD...OR 17 MILES SOUTHEAST OF EDGEMONT...MOVING EAST AT 25 MPH. LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE... NORTH OF ARDMORE ALONG HIGHWAY 71. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... TO REPEAT...A LARGE...EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND POTENTIALLY DEADLY TORNADO IS ON THE GROUND. TO PROTECT YOUR LIFE...TAKE COVER NOW. MOVE TO AN INTERIOR ROOM ON THE LOWEST FLOOR OF A STURDY BUILDING. AVOID WINDOWS. IF IN A MOBILE HOME...A VEHICLE OR OUTDOORS...MOVE TO THE CLOSEST SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER AND PROTECT YOURSELF FROM FLYING DEBRIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 this is two frames old now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Yeah, looks to be currently cycling...but what a signature. New warning still has an LED tor on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brettjrob Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 A member of the TVN crew just claimed it's the "most beautiful tornado ever" and compared it to Campo. I have to say, nothing irks me more than seeing posts like that from people who can't just wait until they have a pic/video to share... talk about wx blue balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 That CO cell has strong rotation as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm8 Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Had a 188 kt G2G couplet earlier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dsnowx53 Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 ChaserTV.com From Ian's Facebook link post: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Reimer Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Timmer is reporting his possy intercepted a "very strong tornado" that blew out the back window of his Dominator 2 and destroyed all the equipment in the back of the vehicle. Pretty impressive photos he shared and there's no use in whining about his tactics anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 Timmer is reporting his possy intercepted a "very strong tornado" that blew out the back window of his Dominator 2 and destroyed all the equipment in the back of the vehicle. Pretty impressive photos he shared and there's no use in whining about his tactics anymore. He'll probably end up killing himself someday. These are days that chase everything pays off... except that almost no one other than weather nerds gives half a crap about SD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 He'll probably end up killing himself someday. These are days that chase everything pays off... except that almost no one other than weather nerds gives half a crap about SD. Yes to both parts. When that does happen it will give an unfortunate black eye to the storm chasing/spotting community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad A Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 I care about South Dakota Thanks for posting the feed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MnWeatherman Posted June 23, 2012 Author Share Posted June 23, 2012 He'll probably end up killing himself someday. These are days that chase everything pays off... except that almost no one other than weather nerds gives half a crap about SD. A bit harsh to say...you have to give him credit for his effort, though. There has been times this year were he intercepted tornadoes that few, if any, other chasers saw (5/22/12-ND/Canadian border, 6/7/12-Wheatland, WY, 6/22/12 -extreme SW SD). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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