LocoAko Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Already 91/72 here in New Brunswick as of 10:15AM. Yikes. We are about 4F warmer than we were at this same exact time yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Not discrediting the actual area and the temps. But it definitely doesnt represent Manhattan or the surrounding area accurately. The news reporters say that NYC hit 94 yesterday and that's not accurate at all. The lush Central park hit only 94 but 99% of the city and the surrounding areas were all 97-99 degrees. Manhattan, outside of Central Park, was most certainly 97-98 degrees yesterday as were the surrounding areas of Queens, Brooklyn and the Bronx. 3 official stations, EWR, LGA and JFK, all broke their daily record highs yesterday. their records don't go back to 1923 when the record was set...I had a weather station on my roof in Brooklyn because there wasn't any other place to put it...the back yard was hot from the sun reflecting off the house...The front was shaded most of the time...the other houses were within ten feet...My max/mins were one degree above Central Park on average...one cold days I never was as low as CP was...we don't live in the park...ok maybe a few bums...cement and tar holds heat...I'm sure Prospect Park in Brooklyn is cooler than Eastern Parkway and Bedford Ave...the best place for weather instruments is an open field far away from trees and buildings/parking lots/runways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 i just did a quick comparison of two hot months, august 1988 and july 2010 in 1988, there were 18 days where central park and newark airport were within a degree of each other for highs in 2010, there were only 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted June 21, 2012 Author Share Posted June 21, 2012 their records don't go back to 1923 when the record was set...I had a weather station on my roof in Brooklyn because there wasn't any other place to put it...the back yard was hot from the sun reflecting off the house...The front was shaded most of the time...the other houses were within ten feet...My max/mins were one degree above Central Park on average...one cold days I never was as low as CP was...we don't live in the park...ok maybe a few bums...cement and tar holds heat...I'm sure Prospect Park in Brooklyn is cooler than Eastern Parkway and Bedford Ave...the best place for weather instruments is an open field far away from trees and buildings/parking lots/runways... I dont know uncle. There are big neighborhoods in NYC that have thick tree lined blocks and vegetation. NE Queens from Bayside to the hills of Douglaston and Little Neck are a classic example. As are mid to northern Bronx. In the winter, I think Central Park represents these areas the best with regards to night time lows. LGA is terrible for the low temps both in the winter and summer for the area of NE Queens and the Bronx and other areas as well. Not all of NYC's boroughs are cement factories with no trees. So there needs to be a station that represents these areas as well. And I think Central Park is just right for that. Central Park is just a terrible station for the actual borough of Manhattan. It misrepresents the entire borough horribly. Both in the winter and in the summer. In the winter, it records much more snow then 90% of Manhattan and in the summer, the highs are well below what the actual Manhattan borough is seeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted June 21, 2012 Author Share Posted June 21, 2012 i just did a quick comparison of two hot months, august 1988 and july 2010 in 1988, there were 18 days where central park and newark airport were within a degree of each other for highs in 2010, there were only 6 Better proof would be LGA and Central Park. Do you have the comparisons between them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Yes, once you get out of the park to surrounding areas temps will read warmer with more concrete, buildings, cars and and people in today's world. But how long have readings been taken at CPK? Where is the thermo located today at CPK? Is it somewhat in the same location it was 30-50 + years ago? Has there always been vagetation in CPK? A record wasn't broken THERE yesterday. Its silly to try to discredit CPK readings. Central Park readings are only good for one part of the park, not even the whole thing. It is disingenuous to use that readings to represent ANY part of the city, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Better proof would be LGA and Central Park. Do you have the comparisons between them? give me a few minutes. btw, i'm using this: http://climate.usurf.usu.edu/products/data.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Better proof would be LGA and Central Park. Do you have the comparisons between them? 2010 was an embarrassing display by the central park ASOS. You would have thought looking at the # of 90 degree days there that it was just another regular summer when in reality it was hot as balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 give me a few minutes. btw, i'm using this: http://climate.usurf...oducts/data.php Love that site. I use it for snowfall stats for years that are not available anymore on the NWS site. Not sure why they cut it off at 2006 or whatever now when it used to go back as far as 1999 I believe. Either way this site is a great alternative for all types of weather info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I dont know uncle. There are big neighborhoods in NYC that have thick tree lined blocks and vegetation. NE Queens from Bayside to the hills of Douglaston and Little Neck are a classic example. As are mid to northern Bronx. In the winter, I think Central Park represents these areas the best with regards to night time lows. LGA is terrible for the low temps both in the winter and summer for the area of NE Queens and the Bronx and other areas as well. Not all of NYC's boroughs are cement factories with no trees. So there needs to be a station that represents these areas as well. And I think Central Park is just right for that. Central Park is just a terrible station for the actual borough of Manhattan. It misrepresents the entire borough horribly. Both in the winter and in the summer. In the winter, it records much more snow then 90% of Manhattan and in the summer, the highs are well below what the actual Manhattan borough is seeing. imagine the outrage if Battery park was still the official observatory...The thermometer should be in the middle of the great lawn...It used to be manually taken with real thermometers...not electronic ones with no manual back up...I have an electronic thermometer but I also have a mercury max/min one that I use... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doncat Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Hit 98 here yesterday...as far as cpk readings, my station is surrounded by woods on three sides and it doesnt affect my readings as it does there. The important factor is are the trees overhanging the thermo and shading it...if so then its not properly exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormlover74 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Despite a starting off point of 81 EWR is 93 at 11am, same as yesterday. Things started to level off early though yesterday, I'm thinking that doesn't happen today and they end up 3 or 4 degrees warmer, reaching the 100 mark Already 91/72 here in New Brunswick as of 10:15AM. Yikes. We are about 4F warmer than we were at this same exact time yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Hit 98 here yesterday...as far as cpk readings, my station is surrounded by woods on three sides and it doesnt affect my readings as it does there. The important factor is are the trees overhanging the thermo and shading it...if so then its not properly exposed. Dude locating the ASOS is like spotting a white tiger in the jungle...it's totally engulfed by greenery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 between lga and nyc: august 1988: 15 july 2010: 19 wow. maybe 2010 was more of a function of local wx patterns as well as it being hot and dry. i'll do more months later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted June 21, 2012 Author Share Posted June 21, 2012 between lga and nyc: august 1988: 15 july 2010: 19 wow. maybe 2010 was more of a function of local wx patterns as well as it being hot and dry. i'll do more months later Interesting stuff. Thanks for looking it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 between lga and nyc: august 1988: 15 july 2010: 19 wow. maybe 2010 was more of a function of local wx patterns as well as it being hot and dry. i'll do more months later I thought 2010 was the result of an incredible amount of 89 degree days when literally everyone else was well over 90. That's not normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Hit 98 here yesterday...as far as cpk readings, my station is surrounded by woods on three sides and it doesnt affect my readings as it does there. The important factor is are the trees overhanging the thermo and shading it...if so then its not properly exposed. I'm pretty close to you and only hit 94...My shelter is shaded by trees...similar to the park...It should be in front of my house but would look weird...it's 90 now imby... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 july 2009 between lga and nyc: 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted June 21, 2012 Author Share Posted June 21, 2012 I thought 2010 was the result of an incredible amount of 89 degree days when literally everyone else was well over 90. That's not normal. The data though shows that Central Park and LGA were very close in both 2010 and in 1988. Proving that Central Park hasn't changed much since 1988 at least. EWR and Central Park have a huge discrepancy though comparing those 2 years. Not sure if its a local thing or maybe there's an issue with the EWR thermometer placement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Ray put these 90 degree day stats together on the old forum a few years back: YEAR NYC LGA EWR JFK 1964 23 17 26 8 1965 15 16 26 6 1966 35 25 33 14 1967 9 6 7 0 1968 17 15 23 12 1969 16 8 15 13 1970 22 22 22 13 1971 18 9 22 18 1972 15 4 21 8 1973 18 17 31 8 1974 17 13 18 10 1975 8 7 12 8 1976 15 10 15 5 1977 23 14 26 13 1978 11 4 16 12 1979 18 16 20 3 1980 32 22 27 11 1981 16 15 21 11 1982 11 6 12 4 1983 36 31 40 26 1984 10 9 22 13 1985 9 8 11 5 1986 11 9 22 8 1987 22 19 37 11 1988 32 26 43 14 1989 16 17 27 9 1990 12 10 26 6 1991 39 34 41 17 1992 9 9 22 6 1993 39 26 49 13 1994 19 22 39 7 1995 29 23 33 15 1996 3 6 9 4 1997 12 17 20 10 1998 8 11 21 5 1999 27 26 33 14 2000 7 12 16 6 2001 15 17 22 8 2002 32 35 41 21 2003 8 17 20 12 2004 2 7 13 1 2005 23 30 37 17 2006 8 22 27 12 2007 10 23 21 7 2008 4 7 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted June 21, 2012 Author Share Posted June 21, 2012 11am roundup: NYC: 88 LGA: 89 JFK: 93 EWR: 93 TEB: 91 ISP: 91 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Ray put these 90 degree day stats together on the old forum a few years back: YEAR NYC LGA EWR JFK 1964 23 17 26 8 1965 15 16 26 6 1966 35 25 33 14 1967 9 6 7 0 1968 17 15 23 12 1969 16 8 15 13 1970 22 22 22 13 1971 18 9 22 18 1972 15 4 21 8 1973 18 17 31 8 1974 17 13 18 10 1975 8 7 12 8 1976 15 10 15 5 1977 23 14 26 13 1978 11 4 16 12 1979 18 16 20 3 1980 32 22 27 11 1981 16 15 21 11 1982 11 6 12 4 1983 36 31 40 26 1984 10 9 22 13 1985 9 8 11 5 1986 11 9 22 8 1987 22 19 37 11 1988 32 26 43 14 1989 16 17 27 9 1990 12 10 26 6 1991 39 34 41 17 1992 9 9 22 6 1993 39 26 49 13 1994 19 22 39 7 1995 29 23 33 15 1996 3 6 9 4 1997 12 17 20 10 1998 8 11 21 5 1999 27 26 33 14 2000 7 12 16 6 2001 15 17 22 8 2002 32 35 41 21 2003 8 17 20 12 2004 2 7 13 1 2005 23 30 37 17 2006 8 22 27 12 2007 10 23 21 7 2008 4 7 6 4 interesting variability... there were actually years where central park beat newark or they were tied. that hasn't happened since 1980. and look at 2006 and 2007, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted June 21, 2012 Author Share Posted June 21, 2012 interesting variability... there were actually years where central park beat newark or they were tied. that hasn't happened since 1980. and look at 2006 and 2007, lol There is a noticeable upswing though with EWR starting in 2001 on this list. The majority of the time EWR is well ahead of NYC and LGA. And looking at 2008-present, the same thing; Not sure if something has changed around EWR (perhaps more urbanization right around it) or if the thermometer was moved to a more open area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 dont think 100 can be reached today, probably 97-99 will be tops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbc Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 imagine the outrage if Battery park was still the official observatory...The thermometer should be in the middle of the great lawn...It used to be manually taken with real thermometers...not electronic ones with no manual back up...I have an electronic thermometer but I also have a mercury max/min one that I use... I was in Central Park yesterday playing softball for my company on the 63rd Street softball fields and it was not all that hot outside quite honeslty. I've played in hotter conditions than that for sure. I have also played softball many times on the Great Lawn. I agree that is where the thermometer should be. The problem is it should be smack in the middle of the lawn which of course could one random time become a hazard for us softball players playing the outfield lol. If they place the thermometer along the borders of the lawn, it will be impacted by shading due to the outlying trees and we are right back to square one. They really should put in the middle and I guess softball players would have to be extra careful out there but NYC won't do it because they do not want a law suit if someone gets injured because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 .................................................................... from another post I made two years ago......... Season.........total...LGA's totals... 1944...............37....................... 1950.................6..........8 1951.................7.........11 1952...............24........24 1953...............32........30 1954...............17........15 1955...............25........29 1956...............11........13 1957...............21........19 1958................6.........10 1959..............27........27 1960...............5..........7 1961...............29........14 1962...............18.........9 1963...............16........12 1964...............23........16 1965...............15........16 1966...............35........25 1967................9..........6 1968...............17........15 1969...............16.........9 1970...............22........22 1971...............18..........9 1972...............15..........4 1973...............18........17 1974...............17........13 1975................8..........7 1976...............15........10 1977...............23........14 1978...............11..........4 1979...............18........16 1980................32........22 1981................16........15 1982................11..........6 1983................36........31 1984................10..........9 1985.................9..........8 1986................11.........9 1987................22........19 1988................32.........26 1989................16........17 1990................12........10 1991................39........34 1992.................9..........9 1993................39........26 1994................19........22 1995................29........23 1996..................3..........6 1997................12........17 1998..................8........11 1999................27........26 2000.................7........12 2001................15........17 2002................32........33 2003.................8........17 2004.................2..........7 2005................23........30 2006.................8........22 2007................10........23 2008................12........19 2009.................7.........8 2010................37........ 2011................20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 What's keeping temps from really soaring right now? 89 at LGA at 11am doesn't sound that impressive (when you consider the airmass, the station, and the point in time within this stretch of heat.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 What's keeping temps from really soaring right now? 89 at LGA at 11am doesn't sound that impressive (when you consider the airmass, the station, and the point in time within this stretch of heat.) 850 temps are not as high as originally progged, that's one thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 .................................................................... from another post I made two years ago......... Season.........total...LGA's totals... 1944...............37....................... 1950.................6..........8 1951.................7.........11 1952...............24........24 1953...............32........30 1954...............17........15 1955...............25........29 1956...............11........13 1957...............21........19 1958................6.........10 1959..............27........27 1960...............5..........7 1961...............29........14 1962...............18.........9 1963...............16........12 1964...............23........16 1965...............15........16 1966...............35........25 1967................9..........6 1968...............17........15 1969...............16.........9 1970...............22........22 1971...............18..........9 1972...............15..........4 1973...............18........17 1974...............17........13 1975................8..........7 1976...............15........10 1977...............23........14 1978...............11..........4 1979...............18........16 1980................32........22 1981................16........15 1982................11..........6 1983................36........31 1984................10..........9 1985.................9..........8 1986................11.........9 1987................22........19 1988................32.........26 1989................16........17 1990................12........10 1991................39........34 1992.................9..........9 1993................39........26 1994................19........22 1995................29........23 1996..................3..........6 1997................12........17 1998..................8........11 1999................27........26 2000.................7........12 2001................15........17 2002................32........33 2003.................8........17 2004.................2..........7 2005................23........30 2006.................8........22 2007................10........23 2008................12........19 2009.................7.........8 2010................37........ 2011................20 It looks like at some point in the late 90's LGA started to overtake the park. Queens has looked the same for 40+ years so that can't be affecting LGA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbc Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 850 temps are not as high as originally progged, that's one thing Yup that is what I thought was going to happen and is why in the prediction thread I stayed away from going with the century mark or higher for either yesterday or today. Just a gut feeling I guess lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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