moneypitmike Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Gorgeous late afternoon. Nice cool breeze, bright sun ftw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Well things move around too. For instance it was clear and and now partly sunny since late morning. I see no evidence of them burning off. Usually that is a product of subsidence. The reason low clouds burn off, is not just top down, but bottom up. The ground heating up raises T-TD spreads and will help break it apart if it is thin enough. In the mid levels, you don't have that phenomenon. The whole "burning off" saying is one of my biggest meteorological pet peeves to begin with...right up there with confusing hail and sleet. I think the average person actually believes that the sun directly burns off the cloud droplets. When talking to the public I always say it'll evaporate or mix out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 The whole "burning off" saying is one of my biggest meteorological pet peeves to begin with...right up there with confusing hail and sleet. I think the average person actually believes that the sun directly burns off the cloud droplets. When talking to the public I always say it'll evaporate or mix out. And that is a result of every TV met degreed or not saying, clouds will burn off by afternoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Bad meteorology FTL Maybe the mid level clouds hit the right front quad of an upper jet streak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 As has been the case for the entire year, the 7-10 day Euro has been pitiful. The cold,heat is always 7-10 days away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Maybe the mid level clouds hit the right front quad of an upper jet streak? The GP gets these ideas from the purveyors of the science, you can not blame them for bad educators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 What are we calling midlevels? We basically only mix up to 850 this time of year. The sun has no effect on the 700 layer. It can though, but it has to do with aerosol rarefied by solar min, versus maxes. The subtle variations in the magnetic interplay between the sun and Earth depending on which is correlated to minute variations in cosmic ray bombardment, which is heavily scienced to be related to the population density of cloud condensation nuclei - those micro-physics, however, plays out over time - not a single afternoon. As far as affecting the thermodynamic layout of the day, I did read somewhere that the whole of the atmospheric cloud domain is in fact effected by tidal variations in the height field, which by logical derivative would require that summer has a greater atmospheric "slosh". Look this up and make me a liar ( haha) but the diurnal bulge in the mid levels is responding to the expanding boundary layer thickness below, and would certainly effect the condensation versus evaporation of cloud material. Interesting. That said, if your inundated, that's a different story. We had plenty of sky-lights in the area this morning though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 And that is a result of every TV met degreed or not saying, clouds will burn off by afternoon Yeah I know how it goes...it's something the public understands. Like I said, it's just a personal pet peeve. I think the public is smart enough to find "evaporate" synonymous with "burn off" though. Obviously I've never done TV so maybe I'm givin the audience too much credit...lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 11, 2012 Author Share Posted June 11, 2012 And that is a result of every TV met degreed or not saying, clouds will burn off by afternoon A local Met was saying how clouds would burn off today. This Met bothers me to no end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 11, 2012 Author Share Posted June 11, 2012 Yeah I know how it goes...it's something the public understands. Like I said, it's just a personal pet peeve. I think the public is smart enough to find "evaporate" synonymous with "burn off" though. Obviously I've never done TV so maybe I'm givin the audience too much credit...lol. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 11, 2012 Author Share Posted June 11, 2012 So euro ensembles still have that warm spell next week, but raised heights to our northeast and over the west coast. We'll have to see if that causes it to be muted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 It can though, but it has to do with aerosol rarefied by solar min, versus maxes. The subtle variations in the magnetic interplay between the sun and Earth depending on which is correlated to minute variations in cosmic ray bombardment, which is heavily scienced to be related to the population density of cloud condensation nuclei - those micro-physics, however, plays out over time - not a single afternoon. As far as affecting the thermodynamic layout of the day, I did read somewhere that the whole of the atmospheric cloud domain is in fact effected by tidal variations in the height field, which by logical derivative would require that summer has a greater atmospheric "slosh". Look this up and make me a liar ( haha) but the diurnal bulge in the mid levels is responding the expanding boundary layer thickness below, and would certainly effect the condensation versus evaporation of cloud material. Interesting. That said, if your inundated, that's a different story. We had plenty of sky-lights in the area this morning though. OK now...let's try and keep this weather related. enough about your pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 11, 2012 Author Share Posted June 11, 2012 OK now...let's try and keep this weather related. enough about your pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 the more i think about that quote...the funnier i think it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 the more i think about that quote...the funnier i think it is. Ha! you guys are just jealous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 It's not going to be in the 60's anywhere in New England anyday next week 12z NAM highs for Wednesday...60s. 12z ECM highs for Wednesday...60s. ChrisRotary should have made a bet with the KFS several days ago when the KFS assured nothing under 70F this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Yeah I know how it goes...it's something the public understands. Like I said, it's just a personal pet peeve. I think the public is smart enough to find "evaporate" synonymous with "burn off" though. Obviously I've never done TV so maybe I'm givin the audience too much credit...lol. A local Met was saying how clouds would burn off today. This Met bothers me to no end. It really bothers me when degreed pros minimalize their profession. If the GP was constantly given correct terms and somewhat technical jargon eventually the terms would become standard jargon. The dumbing down of America is perpetuated by the media constantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 So euro ensembles still have that warm spell next week, but raised heights to our northeast and over the west coast. We'll have to see if that causes it to be muted. Seems like nice signal on all products of a 2-3 or 4 day heat wave at some point early next week. thankfully it's not just the op..the ensembles have had it for several days FTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Does anyone think we'll have to burn off any clouds tomorrow morning..or will we start the day clear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 12z NAM highs for Wednesday...60s. 12z ECM highs for Wednesday...60s. ChrisRotary should have made a bet with the KFS several days ago when the KFS assured nothing under 70F this week. Right for the wrong reason. I nor he was thinking we would have a totally cloudy day. We were thinking there would be some type of a fropa..that changed over the weekend..If we see any amount of PM sun Wed it'll tickle 70. If it had been just a quick fropa like was modelled on both Euro and GFS that never would verify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 11, 2012 Author Share Posted June 11, 2012 Seems like nice signal on all products of a 2-3 or 4 day heat wave at some point early next week. thankfully it's not just the op..the ensembles have had it for several days FTW LOL at heatwave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Seems like nice signal on all products of a 2-3 or 4 day heat wave at some point early next week. thankfully it's not just the op..the ensembles have had it for several days FTW Pretend for a second this assessment were entirely correct - are we to take from this that you WANT it to be torrid? As a runner, I'd expect more out of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Yeah, always interesting to see when places like here to BML (Berlin) in NNH and Jackman in NW Maine go hotter than most of SNE. Have seen it lots more for BML than Jackman (and not just because the former is on the GYX hourly reporting and the latter is not. I'd think the numerous ponds immediately west of town might moderate Jackman heat a bit.) However, the W-to-NW dry downslope can make the NW areas the warmest in New England. Most of CAR's really hot days came when points south were not setting records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 12z NAM highs for Wednesday...60s. 12z ECM highs for Wednesday...60s. ChrisRotary should have made a bet with the KFS several days ago when the KFS assured nothing under 70F this week. Also that has BOS and the Cape staying in the mid 50's lol..I will bet anyone that doesn't happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted June 11, 2012 Author Share Posted June 11, 2012 Right for the wrong reason. I nor he was thinking we would have a totally cloudy day. We were thinking there would be some type of a fropa..that changed over the weekend..If we see any amount of PM sun Wed it'll tickle 70. If it had been just a quick fropa like was modelled on both Euro and GFS that never would verify I think he did mention the fact it would feature clouds and rain. Spin fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Pretend for a second this assessment were entirely correct - are we to take from this that you WANT it to be torrid? As a runner, I'd expect more out of you. I want the seasons to perform as seasons..I want winters brutally cold, and heavily snowy, I want springs to be nice and sunny and mild, I want summers to be hot and humid with plenty of storms and severe damage, and I want autumn to be cool turning colder and cloudy most of the time if I wanted summer in winter I'd move to DC, and if I wanted winter in summer I'd move to Nova Scotia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 It can though, but it has to do with aerosol rarefied by solar min, versus maxes. The subtle variations in the magnetic interplay between the sun and Earth depending on which is correlated to minute variations in cosmic ray bombardment, which is heavily scienced to be related to the population density of cloud condensation nuclei - those micro-physics, however, plays out over time - not a single afternoon. As far as affecting the thermodynamic layout of the day, I did read somewhere that the whole of the atmospheric cloud domain is in fact effected by tidal variations in the height field, which by logical derivative would require that summer has a greater atmospheric "slosh". Look this up and make me a liar ( haha) but the diurnal bulge in the mid levels is responding the expanding boundary layer thickness below, and would certainly effect the condensation versus evaporation of cloud material. Interesting. That said, if your inundated, that's a different story. We had plenty of sky-lights in the area this morning though. I should've known you'd be reading and would swoop in to correct my "absolute" statement. lolI've read about some of that stuff too, but I'm pretty sure Kevin was referring to the bottom-up mix out method. I've had plenty of summer mornings where I was clear at sunrise and had the mid-level deck move in during the daytime...I think subsidence better explains what happened today. There's some H5 NVA moving N to S through New England today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Right for the wrong reason. I nor he was thinking we would have a totally cloudy day. We were thinking there would be some type of a fropa..that changed over the weekend..If we see any amount of PM sun Wed it'll tickle 70. If it had been just a quick fropa like was modelled on both Euro and GFS that never would verify Yeah I'm just bustin' your balls... luckily it looks like just one day. I welcome the cool air and each day we go by without upper 80s is a win in my book. I'm finding this low 80s and dews in the 60s to be a bit too warm/sticky for my tastes. But looks like we'll warm up next week for you guys that enjoy it Heavy heavy Wednesday rain on the NAM... but multiply that by 0.6 for more realistic amounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 Have seen it lots more for BML than Jackman (and not just because the former is on the GYX hourly reporting and the latter is not. I'd think the numerous ponds immediately west of town might moderate Jackman heat a bit.) However, the W-to-NW dry downslope can make the NW areas the warmest in New England. Most of CAR's really hot days came when points south were not setting records. I'm not as familiar with terrain in those areas, but wouldn't WNW downslope much further down stream like in the foothills? I mean Jackman doesn't seem very far from Rangley and Berlin is north of the MWN massif... I sort of thought both of those spots were more like where I am on that NW periphery of the Appalachians that tend to upslope on NW flow rather than downslope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 I want the seasons to perform as seasons..I want winters brutally cold, and heavily snowy, I want springs to be nice and sunny and mild, I want summers to be hot and humid with plenty of storms and severe damage, and I want autumn to be cool turning colder and cloudy most of the time if I wanted summer in winter I'd move to DC, and if I wanted winter in summer I'd move to Nova Scotia More like just wanting extreme weather...I get that and want that, too. But heat is the one extreme weather event I could do without. I'd rather track record low maxes during the summer Heat waves would be more "interesting" (I guess) though, or exciting than a high of 73F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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