CoastalWx Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 You have to...sadly It's part of everything, but that isn't a good metric to diagnose whether or not we are in a torch pattern. You can have a big trough over the northeast with -5 temps during the day and just because of onshore flow and clouds..it's +6 or so at night. So that's really bootleg if you are trying to argue the atmospheric pattern is a torch. It simply is not. I understand lows are included, but the overall pattern would not be a typical torch pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisM Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Not sure where you're living..but May came in another solid well above normal month in all of SNE..June looks like another. 12 or 13 months in a row of solid torch. Will it end before you move? He lives in the highlands...at 1400'. Remember...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 He lives in the highlands...at 1400'. Remember...? A young guy like you should be out chasing skirts and not wasting your precious youth being a dope on an internet weather forum. What's wrong with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEaster27 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 1400 feet lol thats like no elevation at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisM Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 A young guy like you should be out chasing skirts and not wasting your precious youth being a dope on an internet weather forum. What's wrong with you? I think my girlfriend of three years who you've met would be a little upset, wouldn't she 1400' Pete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 A young guy like you should be out chasing skirts and not wasting your precious youth being a dope on an internet weather forum. What's wrong with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 It's part of everything, but that isn't a good metric to diagnose whether or not we are in a torch pattern. You can have a big trough over the northeast with -5 temps during the day and just because of onshore flow and clouds..it's +6 or so at night. So that's really bootleg if you are trying to argue the atmospheric pattern is a torch. It simply is not. I understand lows are included, but the overall pattern would not be a typical torch pattern. This... I suppose we can just look at the daily high temp departures... that would make sense to me, but LL might get all worked up jk I hate temp talk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 This... I suppose we can just look at the daily high temp departures... that would make sense to me, but LL might get all worked up jk I hate temp talk 14 days this month the high temp at orh has been above normal. Times are boring Dave, but summer is almost here, and that means vacation time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 14 days this month the high temp at orh has been above normal. Times are boring Dave, but summer is almost here, and that means vacation time! This has actually felt like a cool month of May in that we have not had any wilting heat... despite the +4.xx departures Typically we have several terrible days where my lab is an oven with no respite. This year those were in March. Daylillies about to bloom. Sickness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 It's part of everything, but that isn't a good metric to diagnose whether or not we are in a torch pattern. You can have a big trough over the northeast with -5 temps during the day and just because of onshore flow and clouds..it's +6 or so at night. So that's really bootleg if you are trying to argue the atmospheric pattern is a torch. It simply is not. I understand lows are included, but the overall pattern would not be a typical torch pattern. Do you define torch based upon height anomalies or sensible weather (departure from normal)? Seems like everyone has their own definition of torch around here to fit what they want to believe, though it tends to be defined by surface temperature in some way. Some use absolute temperature, most use departures from normal. Warm nighttime lows are no more misleading than say a cold winter night that crosses midnight thus giving the illusion of two cold nights in the climate record. I'm sure one can think up all kinds of scenarios where simply looking at calendar day highs and lows can be misleading and skew the numbers a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 Do you define torch based upon height anomalies or sensible weather (departure from normal)? Seems like everyone has their own definition of torch around here to fit what they want to believe, though it tends to be defined by surface temperature in some way. Some use absolute temperature, most use departures from normal. Warm nighttime lows are no more misleading than say a cold winter night that crosses midnight thus giving the illusion of two cold nights in the climate record. I'm sure one can think up all kinds of scenarios where simply looking at calendar day highs and lows can be misleading and skew the numbers a bit. Well what I mean is that if you have days in April and May that have cool onshore flow causing temps to be very cool during the day, but then keeping temps above normal at night by a significant amount....it doesn't really say much about the overall pattern. The pattern causing the weather that I just mentioned would not be a torch pattern despite the overall temps being +2 for the day. A trough in the northeast is normally what you don't look for in a torch pattern. Even with +2 departures....it's more a function of the fact that we can radiate heat back into space...not because we have a big ridge and srly flow into SNE. If we had that pattern in June, that's when mega - departures begin because the dailies get very mild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 1400 feet lol thats like no elevation at all Said the guy at sea level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisM Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Said the guy at sea level. You know we love ya Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 GFS op is close to a big rain event for ern ma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 I would think +5 for a month is more than a standard deviation, just saying. Further west has been warmer relative to normal than east. BUF is +7.2 for the month...second warmest May on record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 the weather looks terrible for the next week or two...cut-offs blah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 LOL the temperature argument AGAIN? Here are some co-ops in and around God's Country... Those are some pretty significant departures over such a long stretch. Yeah it has been a torch based on departure from normal for the past 6 months and longer...there is no debating that. No arguement about it. I'm surprised Pete is even still trying with a +5-+7 average over that period of time. It's all relative to your elevation, but the departure is the same at 4000ft on Mount Mansfield, 6000ft on MWN, 1,400ft in West Chesterfield, and down under 300ft in the CT Valley. It is not all about apparent temperature...sure some days have highs in the 60s, but the overnight lows are upper 50s. It's not like all the days with highs in the 60s were getting down into the low 30s or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Well what I mean is that if you have days in April and May that have cool onshore flow causing temps to be very cool during the day, but then keeping temps above normal at night by a significant amount....it doesn't really say much about the overall pattern. The pattern causing the weather that I just mentioned would not be a torch pattern despite the overall temps being +2 for the day. A trough in the northeast is normally what you don't look for in a torch pattern. Even with +2 departures....it's more a function of the fact that we can radiate heat back into space...not because we have a big ridge and srly flow into SNE. True but you also can't say it's a cold pattern because it's not like it's getting down into the 30s at night. And it seems as though BOS is using the onshore flow to remain at least near one standard deviation of normal, without that onshore flow that's a full on +7 torch month. It's not like these troughs in New England are cold and keeping the area cooler than normal. Troughs may be the new torch though because even with troughiness, everyone was above normal, with the immediate coastal spots only a couple over instead of way over again inland. It's getting to the point where we may need to rethink the forecasting rules as even an average trough over the area is giving above normal departures. We just don't get cold nights anymore so the chances of a below normal pattern is increasingly thin. It boggles my mind how we have hit a point where below normal heights are still translating to above normal temperatures. What will it take to actually get a below normal temperatures? Record low heights aloft and that's our only prayer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 lol euro...like 5 straight days of 850s under 5C. Monday looks like a real winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 53/52. Much better this morning Blizz hacked into the Euro just so he can say it is wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allenson Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 1400 feet lol thats like no elevation at all Spend a winter at it plowing and shoveling 3x what the lowlanders get, only a few miles away, and then get back to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Next week looks awesome. April wx in early June. 62,61,61 Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Yeah it has been a torch based on departure from normal for the past 6 months and longer...there is no debating that. No arguement about it. I'm surprised Pete is even still trying with a +5-+7 average over that period of time. It's all relative to your elevation, but the departure is the same at 4000ft on Mount Mansfield, 6000ft on MWN, 1,400ft in West Chesterfield, and down under 300ft in the CT Valley. It is not all about apparent temperature...sure some days have highs in the 60s, but the overnight lows are upper 50s. It's not like all the days with highs in the 60s were getting down into the low 30s or something. the thing is I'm not arguing it hasn't been warmer than normal. I'm arguing, in this specific instance, that the helatious 'torch' that Blizz has been yammering on about just hasn't been painful. He was actually trying to spin a 63/58 temp dp was uncomfortable last week. Pure nonsense. The weather for those of us with boots on the ground has not been mind meltingly hot. To me a torch is 60* in January or 95 in June. All the hype about a 72 degree day in May being an all out torch is ridiculous. Is 72 warmer than normal for here ar 1400', perhaps. Is it a mega-death torch that will lay waste to the countryside? No, not even close. Save the "torch" talk for a real heatwave, if we even get one this year. Blizz wants every rainshower to be a flood, every t-storm is going to spawn a family of F-5 tornados, every Alberta Clipper is going to result in the state calling out the National Guard (I'll let him have that as he lives in CT. and flurries cancel school and 1-3" shuts the entire state down for a week). If you listened to reports generated by the torch twins, LL and Blizz, you'd think we live in a desert. I'm just campaigning against the overly liberal use of the term torch. Hope you are enjoying your travels Scott. It's nice and cool here this AM, almost cold really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Spend a winter at it plowing and shoveling 3x what the lowlanders get, only a few miles away, and then get back to us. He's not even a New Englander Pete. I don't think they ever see much snow on that sand bar aside from a freak event now and then. Try 100x.lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 TORCH!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Next week looks awesome. April wx in early June. 62,61,61 Lol Wait, Blizz said Gibbs was calling for a wire to wire torch of a June. Maybe he meant next June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 DORK!!!! You don't need to remind us constantly, we know what you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Wonder if June comes in with with another torch like May in GC where they had a +5 or +6 for the month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allenson Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 He's not even a New Englander Pete. I don't think they ever see much snow on that sand bar aside from a freak event now and then. Try 100x.lol LOL, I know it, eh? I was just busting. It is remarkable though what a little elevation can do--no need to tell you though. In the meantime, it's going to be a lovely day today....though the weekend is starting to look pretty wet. Better get some chores done between now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 lol euro...like 5 straight days of 850s under 5C. Monday looks like a real winner. :sun: simply SUNsational! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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