Feb Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 lol at the climate change brigade. All this hot weather and Lancaster broke one record so far. Saturdays high of 102 broke the old record set in 1934. I blame my grandparents 1934 Ford Expedition for the previous record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 with 76 degree water temps and 80 on the way, the only thing coming is a major hurricane and another snowless winter. But we'll still get screwed out of the major hurricane as usual (the westerlies), and be left with another snowless winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isotherm Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 lol at the climate change brigade. All this hot weather and Lancaster broke one record so far. Saturdays high of 102 broke the old record set in 1934. I blame my grandparents 1934 Ford Expedition for the previous record. My all time record high of 106F in July 1936 hasn't come close to falling in the past few summers. Closest I came was 100.5F in the July 2010 heat wave (early month). I'd love to see maps for that day in July 1936. Goes to show how difficult it is to surpass 100F, for the majority of the Northeast not located at an airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 My all time record high of 106F in July 1936 hasn't come close to falling in the past few summers. Closest I came was 100.5F in the July 2010 heat wave (early month). I'd love to see maps for that day in July 1936. Goes to show how difficult it is to surpass 100F, for the majority of the Northeast not located at an airport. Difference is their frequency of such anomalies weren't as frequent as now. Looks at all the dust bowl records that crashed down in the Midwest. The core of the heat didn't make it here. We got bits and pieces and not under ideal conditions. And Newark still managed to hit 102 like it's nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isotherm Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Difference is their frequency of such anomalies weren't as frequent as now. Looks at all the dust bowl records that crashed down in the Midwest. The core of the heat didn't make it here. We got bits and pieces and not under ideal conditions. And Newark still managed to hit 102 like it's nothing. No argument from me there, in terms of the US. The persistence of the warmth has been nothing short of remarkable over the past year for North America. However, below is the global temp anomaly map for the period centered on July 4th, when the Central/Eastern US blowtorch was in full force. North America is clearly one of the warmest spots on the globe, as we've been since last autumn 2011. The global anomaly is very close to normal. The point is - even though the US is on fire, the globe as a whole really isn't right now at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 The heavy band in the morning played a big role. Example. Astoria, NY got into heavy banding and got a quick 2.5", while areas just 3-4 miles east got nothing because the heavy band was concentrated. I made Sundog drive from Flushing to Astoria to see the snow because he got zero. Ehhh...3-4 miles east? Sorry buddy, im 20 miles east of astoria and i saw 2 inches... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Difference is their frequency of such anomalies weren't as frequent as now. Looks at all the dust bowl records that crashed down in the Midwest. The core of the heat didn't make it here. We got bits and pieces and not under ideal conditions. And Newark still managed to hit 102 like it's nothing. The dust bowl records were nothing short of remarkable for heat and extremes, especially as far north as North Dakota. Steele, ND, reported a max of 121 on July 6, 1936 and Bismarck an avg. mean for that month of 83.4. Contrast that with minus 38 at Steele on Jan. 22, 1936. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele,_North_Dakota ND.pdf ND2.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analog96 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 These Are The Years That Followed 2 La Nina Winters 1963 1972 1976 1986 1997 2009 And Snow Totals For NYC 1963- 1964 - 44.7 1972 -1973 - 2.8 1976 -1977 - 24.5 2009 - 2010 - 51.4 4 totally different winters Obviously these wide ranging amounts indicate that several other factors also determine how much snowfall we can expect 1972-73 was one of the top 3 strongest EL Ninos in history. Nothing really supports that happening right now. All the other three winters were pretty good. 1963-64 was a nice winter. 1976-77 didn't have anything impressive in terms of snow fall, but had super cold to the extent that the Chessy Bay froze over and snow flurries fell in west Florida. 2009-2010 we all know was a very snowy, but not very cold winter, with the heaviest snow from PHL-BWI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feb Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 No argument from me there, in terms of the US. The persistence of the warmth has been nothing short of remarkable over the past year for North America. However, below is the global temp anomaly map for the period centered on July 4th, when the Central/Eastern US blowtorch was in full force. North America is clearly one of the warmest spots on the globe, as we've been since last autumn 2011. The global anomaly is very close to normal. The point is - even though the US is on fire, the globe as a whole really isn't right now at least. This map was posted a few days ago in this thread and not one of the hysteria brigade commented on it. We typical Americans think everything is focused on us. The fact is no matter what the weather is like, there are those who will blame it all on global warming. The winter on 2009-2010, and all the record snowfall from that winter was blamed by some on global warming. Then last winter and the lack of snow. You guessed it, global warming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 No argument from me there, in terms of the US. The persistence of the warmth has been nothing short of remarkable over the past year for North America. However, below is the global temp anomaly map for the period centered on July 4th, when the Central/Eastern US blowtorch was in full force. North America is clearly one of the warmest spots on the globe, as we've been since last autumn 2011. The global anomaly is very close to normal. The point is - even though the US is on fire, the globe as a whole really isn't right now at least. If you can, post the monthly anomaly map for the globe for June. Picking just one date to show that it's really wasn't warm around the world is beyond arbitrary. Btw, for those that don't know, we don't need to see a total anomaly of several degrees C to be like wow it was hot. The last ice age was only a few degrees cooler than now and look how different the world was then. I think people think we need to see giant jumps in temps and that's simply not the way the climate works at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 If you can, post the monthly anomaly map for the globe for June. Picking just one date to show that it's really wasn't warm around the world is beyond arbitrary. Btw, for those that don't know, we don't need to see a total anomaly of several degrees C to be like wow it was hot. The last ice age was only a few degrees cooler than now and look how different the world was then. I think people think we need to see giant jumps in temps and that's simply not the way the climate works at all. Yeah, that map is so deceiving, the globe is on fire, its not opinion, its fact. When the water temp off the coast in the middle of January this year is 65 degrees, people will get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocoAko Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 When the water temp off the coast in the middle of January this year is 65 degrees, people will get it. Oh man, bring it on.... lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isotherm Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 If you can, post the monthly anomaly map for the globe for June. Picking just one date to show that it's really wasn't warm around the world is beyond arbitrary. Btw, for those that don't know, we don't need to see a total anomaly of several degrees C to be like wow it was hot. The last ice age was only a few degrees cooler than now and look how different the world was then. I think people think we need to see giant jumps in temps and that's simply not the way the climate works at all. Ok, here's the global anomaly map for May 28th-July 12th. I'm not impressed with any torch globally: I agree with the assertion that North America has seen a record warm year, but when applying it to the globe, that argument doesn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEaster27 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Oh man, bring it on.... lol. http://www.weather.com/maps/activity/boatbeach/northeastuscoastalwatertemps_large.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 http://www.weather.com/maps/activity/boatbeach/northeastuscoastalwatertemps_large.html Not even peak season. few more weeks and 80s will be to the gulf of Maine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
griteater Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 What's kind of funny about that map is that it has cold anomalies beginning at -0.5 C in blue, but the warm anomalies beginning at +0.5 C are in gray. If you begin the warm anomalies in yellow (like it should), the map would have a much warmer overall look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 What's kind of funny about that map is that it has cold anomalies beginning at -0.5 C in blue, but the warm anomalies beginning at +0.5 C are in gray. If you begin the warm anomalies in yellow (like it should), the map would have a much warmer overall look Here's the same time period from NOAA: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 Here's the same time period from NOAA: Looks like global melting to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Looks like global melting to me. I think that getting global warmth like this for this past May during a second year Nina just says it all. http://blog.chron.com/climateabyss/2012/04/about-the-lack-of-warming/ The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for May 2012 was 0.66°C (1.19°F) above the 20th century average of 14.8°C (58.6°F). This is the second warmest May since records began in 1880, behind only 2010. The Northern Hemisphere land and ocean average surface temperature for May 2012 was the all-time warmest May on record, at 0.85°C (1.53°F) above average. The globally-averaged land surface temperature for May 2012 was the all-time warmest May on record, at 1.21°C (2.18°F) above average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isotherm Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 A map can be portrayed a certain way based on scaling but the numerical value is what's important. A +0.085C anomaly for that one month period - that's close to normal. And 2012 so far has been near normal globally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 I think that getting global warmth like this for this past May during a second year Nina just says it all. http://blog.chron.co...ack-of-warming/ The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for May 2012 was 0.66°C (1.19°F) above the 20th century average of 14.8°C (58.6°F). This is the second warmest May since records began in 1880, behind only 2010. The Northern Hemisphere land and ocean average surface temperature for May 2012 was the all-time warmest May on record, at 0.85°C (1.53°F) above average. The globally-averaged land surface temperature for May 2012 was the all-time warmest May on record, at 1.21°C (2.18°F) above average. and now with a Nino, its just more fuel to the fire. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 and now with a Nino, its just more fuel to the fire. . Just saw in the main enso thread that the el niño will weaken as time goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analog96 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 It is impossible to argue this rationally with anyone. When there's no blocking, the US bakes, and everyone says global warming. If a super block formed, and the US was freezing, but Greenland was warm, they would say, "look, global warming, the ice caps are melting". It's hard to argue when no matter what happens, they claim it's because of global warming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analog96 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Just saw in the main enso thread that the el niño will weaken as time goes on. I don't think you really want it to weaken that early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 and now with a Nino, its just more fuel to the fire. . You can pretty much see the recent Nino years highs.. 2005...2007...2010... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analog96 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I read an article somewhere that said one of the main reasons the globe has warmed could be that there have been more Ninos now than there were years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 I read an article somewhere that said one of the main reasons the globe has warmed could be that there have been more Ninos now than there were years ago. The heat has to come from somewhere. Even during the Nina bluewave showed we were all still above normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 The heat has to come from somewhere. Even during the Nina bluewave showed we were all still above normal. Bluewave is as middle of the road as they come, so when he puts up a chart like that, I go and buy flood insurance for rising oceans, SPF 2000 for my skin, and put my snow blower and shovel up on ebay before they are obsolute and worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Bluewave is as middle of the road as they come, so when he puts up a chart like that, I go and buy flood insurance for rising oceans, SPF 2000 for my skin, and put my snow blower and shovel up on ebay before they are obsolute and worthless. You do realize that 2 out of the past 3 winters were record breaking winters? Snowiest December ever in 2010. Snowiest February ever in 2010. And top 5 annual snowfall ever for several locations. Also, the past 10 winters has been one of, if not, the snowiest period ever for NYC. If Global Warming causes our winters to be super and very snowy, then I'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrials Posted July 12, 2012 Author Share Posted July 12, 2012 You do realize that 2 out of the past 3 winters were record breaking winters? Snowiest December ever in 2010. Snowiest February ever in 2010. And top 5 annual snowfall ever for several locations. Also, the past 10 winters has been one of, if not, the snowiest period ever for NYC. If Global Warming causes our winters to be super and very snowy, then I'm all for it. irrelevant. We didn't have 80 degree waters off the coast of cape cod those two years. Sometime last year everything turned and now it's all messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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