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SE PA/Mt. Holly severe threats..


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Instability and moisture levels are a good bit Higher today ahead of this front that is shown on H5 right now moving south. Already some cumulus cloud action starting up out there so capping is breaking. As I am typing this about to say we will get upgraded to a slight risk they say a watch is now likely. I really think we could see a decent line going this afternoon but not fully certain where the best threat for severe storms will be given the tendency of east of I95 doing much better in recent weeks.

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/md/md1332.html

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So this kinda caught me off guard. (Not even new either, surprised no one posted it.)

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MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 1332

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

1111 AM CDT SUN JUL 01 2012

AREAS AFFECTED...THE NORTHEAST/UPPER MID-ATLANTIC

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH LIKELY

VALID 011611Z - 011715Z

PROBABILITY OF WATCH ISSUANCE...80 PERCENT

SUMMARY...SCATTERED TSTMS SHOULD FORM THIS AFTERNOON WITH ATTENDANT

THREATS FOR SEVERE HAIL AND DAMAGING WIND. AREA WILL BE UPGRADED TO

SLIGHT RISK WITH THE 1630Z D1 OUTLOOK AND WATCH ISSUANCE WILL BE

CONSIDERED IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF HOURS.

DISCUSSION...CU HAS INITIATED ALONG THE HIGHER TERRAIN OF SRN NY

INTO CNTRL PA ALONG A WEAK LOW-LEVEL BAROCLINIC ZONE BENEATH THE

INFLUENCE OF SUBTLE UPPER-LEVEL IMPULSES CROSSING THE LOWER GREAT

LAKES. 12Z OPERATIONAL GUIDANCE ALONG WITH RECENT HRRR RUNS HAVE A

PRONOUNCED SIGNAL FOR CONVECTIVE DEVELOPMENT...LEADING TO INCREASING

CONFIDENCE THAT POTENTIALLY SCATTERED TSTMS SHOULD FORM CENTERED

TOWARDS THE HUDSON VALLEY. SURFACE TEMPERATURES HAVE WARMED INTO THE

UPPER 80S AND LOWER 90S WITH DEW POINTS HOLDING IN THE MIDDLE TO

UPPER 60S...WHICH IS YIELDING MODERATE BUOYANCY /INCREASING WITH SRN

EXTENT/ PER MODIFIED 12Z IAD/OKX RAOBS. MODERATELY STRONG NEARLY

UNIDIRECTIONAL WLY FLOW WILL BE SUFFICIENT FOR ORGANIZING UPDRAFTS

WITH THREATS OF SEVERE HAIL AND DAMAGING WIND.

..GRAMS/THOMPSON.. 07/01/2012

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While ML LR's are pretty good, it's so hot that once again moisture mixing out is an issue (the 16z RAP says that we're essentially mixed out in Philly by 21z) which will probably mitigate the severe hail threat. Not that there won't be hail, but ML LR's aren't the only important factor. Need to consider LCL's too.

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OT, but...

...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR EXTREME

NORTHWESTERN LAKE...COOK...DUPAGE...NORTHWESTERN WILL...NORTHEASTERN

KENDALL AND SOUTHEASTERN KANE COUNTIES UNTIL 130 PM CDT...

AT 1229 PM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A

LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING QUARTER SIZE

HAIL...AND EXTREME DAMAGING WINDS IN EXCESS OF 100 MPH. THESE STORMS

WERE LOCATED ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM DES PLAINES TO MAYWOOD TO

WESTERN SPRINGS TO WOODRIDGE...MOVING EAST AT 45 MPH.

Wow! I don't think I've ever seen greater than 80 in a warning text before.

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URGENT - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED

SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH NUMBER 444

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

135 PM EDT SUN JUL 1 2012

THE NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER HAS ISSUED A

SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH FOR PORTIONS OF

CONNECTICUT

NORTHERN NEW JERSEY

SOUTHEAST NEW YORK

EAST CENTRAL PENNSYLVANIA

COASTAL WATERS

EFFECTIVE THIS SUNDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING FROM 135 PM UNTIL 800

PM EDT.

HAIL TO 2 INCHES IN DIAMETER...THUNDERSTORM WIND GUSTS TO 70

MPH...AND DANGEROUS LIGHTNING ARE POSSIBLE IN THESE AREAS.

THE SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH AREA IS APPROXIMATELY ALONG AND 75

STATUTE MILES EAST AND WEST OF A LINE FROM 45 MILES EAST

NORTHEAST OF POUGHKEEPSIE NEW YORK TO 15 MILES SOUTHWEST OF

TRENTON NEW JERSEY. FOR A COMPLETE DEPICTION OF THE WATCH SEE

THE ASSOCIATED WATCH OUTLINE UPDATE (WOUS64 KWNS WOU4).

REMEMBER...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH MEANS CONDITIONS ARE

FAVORABLE FOR SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IN AND CLOSE TO THE WATCH

AREA. PERSONS IN THESE AREAS SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR

THREATENING WEATHER CONDITIONS AND LISTEN FOR LATER STATEMENTS

AND POSSIBLE WARNINGS. SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAN AND OCCASIONALLY

DO PRODUCE TORNADOES.

OTHER WATCH INFORMATION...CONTINUE...WW 442...WW 443...

DISCUSSION...SCATTERED THUNDERSTORMS ARE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP ALONG A

SURFACE TROUGH THIS AFTERNOON FROM SE NY INTO ERN PA/NRN NJ...AND

STORMS WILL SPREAD EWD/ESEWD ACROSS CT/LONG ISLAND THROUGH THE

AFTERNOON. MLCAPE HAS INCREASED TO 1500-2000 J/KG WITH SURFACE

HEATING...WHILE EFFECTIVE BULK SHEAR OF 35-40 KT WILL SUPPORT

ORGANIZED MULTICELLS/SUPERCELLS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING DAMAGING WINDS

AND LARGE HAIL.

AVIATION...A FEW SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS WITH HAIL SURFACE AND ALOFT

TO 2 INCHES. EXTREME TURBULENCE AND SURFACE WIND GUSTS TO 60

KNOTS. A FEW CUMULONIMBI WITH MAXIMUM TOPS TO 500. MEAN STORM

MOTION VECTOR 29030.

...THOMPSON

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OT, but...

...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR EXTREME

NORTHWESTERN LAKE...COOK...DUPAGE...NORTHWESTERN WILL...NORTHEASTERN

KENDALL AND SOUTHEASTERN KANE COUNTIES UNTIL 130 PM CDT...

AT 1229 PM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A

LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING QUARTER SIZE

HAIL...AND EXTREME DAMAGING WINDS IN EXCESS OF 100 MPH. THESE STORMS

WERE LOCATED ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM DES PLAINES TO MAYWOOD TO

WESTERN SPRINGS TO WOODRIDGE...MOVING EAST AT 45 MPH.

Wow! I don't think I've ever seen greater than 80 in a warning text before.

Per Weather Channel, 91 mph reported gusts with roof and tree damage in IL.

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OT, but...

...A SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR EXTREME

NORTHWESTERN LAKE...COOK...DUPAGE...NORTHWESTERN WILL...NORTHEASTERN

KENDALL AND SOUTHEASTERN KANE COUNTIES UNTIL 130 PM CDT...

AT 1229 PM CDT...NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE DOPPLER RADAR INDICATED A

LINE OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING QUARTER SIZE

HAIL...AND EXTREME DAMAGING WINDS IN EXCESS OF 100 MPH. THESE STORMS

WERE LOCATED ALONG A LINE EXTENDING FROM DES PLAINES TO MAYWOOD TO

WESTERN SPRINGS TO WOODRIDGE...MOVING EAST AT 45 MPH.

Wow! I don't think I've ever seen greater than 80 in a warning text before.

Damn!

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How worried should we be about the line around Chicago? I have no interest in experiencing what DC got Friday night.

Not very. Storm motion vectors over the Midwest are southeastward, which is why the eastern Carolinas are where SPC thinks this complex might end up. Also, this go around the storms are getting a later start than they did on Friday, and even then on Friday they moved ridiculously fast.

I'd say not too worried.

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Not very. Storm motion vectors over the Midwest are southeastward, which is why the eastern Carolinas are where SPC thinks this complex might end up. Also, this go around the storms are getting a later start than they did on Friday, and even then on Friday they moved ridiculously fast.

I'd say not too worried.

Cool thanks!

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MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 1338

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

0225 PM CDT SUN JUL 01 2012

AREAS AFFECTED...SRN NEW ENGLAND TO THE UPPER MID-ATLANTIC

CONCERNING...SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH 444...

VALID 011925Z - 012100Z

THE SEVERE WEATHER THREAT FOR SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WATCH 444

CONTINUES.

SUMMARY...ISOLATED SEVERE HAIL/WIND THREAT PERSISTS AND IS

DEVELOPING N/EWD OF WW 444 IN MA/RI. ALTHOUGH IT DOES NOT APPEAR

SPATIALLY TO WARRANT A NEW WW...IT COULD BE LOCALLY EXTENDED.

DISCUSSION...GREATEST CLUSTERING OF TSTMS HAS OCCURRED ACROSS SRN

NEW ENGLAND TO THE LOWER HUDSON VALLEY. A FEW OF THESE HAVE

EXHIBITED SUPERCELL CHARACTER AND WILL CONTINUE TO POSE A THREAT FOR

ISOLATED SEVERE WIND/HAIL. SURFACE TEMPERATURES IN THE UPPER 80S TO

LOWER 90S IN MOST OF MA OUTSIDE OF CAPE COD SUGGEST ACTIVITY MAY

REMAIN SEVERE AS IT SHIFTS JUST N/E OF WW 444. FARTHER SW...TSTMS

HAVE FAILED TO INITIATE S OF NERN PA THUS FAR ALONG THE SURFACE

TROUGH. BUT WITH THE CU FIELD PERSISTING...CONTINUED HEATING WITH

MODERATELY STRONG INSTABILITY MAY BE SUFFICIENT FOR ADDITIONAL TSTMS

BY EARLY EVENING.

..GRAMS.. 07/01/2012

...PLEASE SEE WWW.SPC.NOAA.GOV FOR GRAPHIC PRODUCT...

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Anybody think that mess in OH makes it over this way?

I'm not optimistic, although the modeling earlier this week had shown an MCS splitting and the northern part heading east which seems to be what's happening as it gets into western PA. I don't know a heckuva lot about derecho's but it strikes me that the way they set up along boudaries would preclude both parts of a split staying strong. But I'd like to hear from an expert.

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