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This is the 18z sounding out of MPX could someone help me with reading it? what's your best guess?

That verbatim is fully capped. Ignore the SBCAPE forecast parcel...

Would need substantial heating or some rapid mesoscale forcing to lift parcels above that cap/and or eliminate cinh. Not sure if I buy the HRRR depiction of isolated DMC forming ahead of the front based on that sounding...although MPX is farther E than where HRRR initiates.

The more likely scenario is that DMC initiates farther SW into NE and possibly eastern SD and propagates into MN.

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This is the 18z sounding out of MPX could someone help me with reading it? what's your best guess?

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With apologies to Iyaz...

There's a lot of subsidence in cap city

There's a lot of subsidence in that layer

Gotta get the cold front

Gotta get the vort max

Gotta get somethin' to break that cap...

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That verbatim is fully capped. Ignore the SBCAPE forecast parcel...

Would need substantial heating or some rapid mesoscale forcing to lift parcels above that cap/and or eliminate cinh. Not sure if I buy the HRRR depiction of isolated DMC forming ahead of the front based on that sounding...although MPX is farther E than where HRRR initiates.

The more likely scenario is that DMC initiates farther SW into NE and possibly eastern SD and propagates into MN.

OK thanks, here is the 18z sounding from Topeka

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RAP predicts an area of enhanced LL SRH to the E of SFC low lobe in south central KS this evening (where LL winds kink a bit more southerly than elsewhere in the state) - also several recent RAP and HRRR runs have developed convection in this region by the 22-00z timeframe. I'm thinking this region may be the most favorable for good supercell structure.

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RAP predicts an area of enhanced LL SRH to the E of SFC low lobe in south central KS this evening (where LL winds kink a bit more southerly than elsewhere in the state) - also several recent RAP and HRRR runs have developed convection in this region by the 22-00z timeframe. I'm thinking this region may be the most favorable for good supercell structure.

That has been the area of interest from 3-4 days ago, but guidance has backed off a tad on low level flow backing...also increasing LCLs. But I agree, could be some nice moderately slow moving, high based sups.

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And I see Carbin already has a much better MCD out, lol. Doesn't discount tor threat.

MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0923

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

0258 PM CDT SUN MAY 27 2012

AREAS AFFECTED...NE...SD...IA...MN

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH LIKELY

VALID 271958Z - 272100Z

PROBABILITY OF WATCH ISSUANCE...95 PERCENT

SUMMARY...A WATCH WILL BE ISSUED ACROSS PORTIONS OF ERN NEB...WRN

IA...AND POSSIBLY SWRN PORTIONS OF MN WITHIN THE NEXT HOUR.

CONDITIONS ALONG A COLD FRONT MOVING INTO THESE AREAS SHOULD SUPPORT

SEVERE TSTM DEVELOPMENT THROUGH THE REST OF THE AFTERNOON AND INTO

THE EVENING.

DISCUSSION...SFC ANALYSIS AT 19Z PLACES A NEARLY STALLED COLD FRONT

ALONG A LINE FROM MOX IN EXTREME SWRN MN TO LRJ IN NWRN IA TO OFK IN

NERN NEB. FRONTAL ZONE CONTINUES ALONG A SWWD LINE TO A TRIPLE-POINT

LOW AND DRYLINE ON THE KS/NEB BORDER...ESE OF MCK. WHEN CURRENT SFC

CONDITIONS ARE USED TO MODIFY 18Z OBSERVED SOUNDINGS FROM BOTH TOP

AND OAX...ALL INDICATIONS POINT TO THE INITIATION OF DEEP CONVECTION

WITHIN ANOTHER HOUR OR SO. THIS SCENARIO IS ALSO SUPPORTED BY THE

LATEST RR AND HRRR MODELS AND IS CONSISTENT WITH EARLIER SREF

GUIDANCE. /NOTE: ANOTHER MCD WILL BE ISSUED SHORTLY FOR TSTM

POTENTIAL FROM KS TO OK./

DEEP-LAYER VERTICAL SHEAR MAGNITUDES ON THE ORDER OF 40KT AND MLCAPE

IN THE 1200-1800 J/KG RANGE WILL CONTRIBUTE TO ROBUST AND ORGANIZED

STORM DEVELOPMENT. REMOVAL OF REMAINING INHIBITION ALONG THE FRONT

WILL OCCUR AS DEEP-LAYER ASCENT OVERSPREADS THE REGION THROUGH THE

EVENING. THIS SHOULD RESULT IN A SIGNIFICATION INCREASE IN STORMS

ALONG THE FRONT AND NEAR THE TRIPLE LOW. AREAL COVERAGE OF THIS

ROBUST DEVELOPMENT LENDS CONFIDENCE IN SEVERE WEATHER...ESPECIALLY

LARGE HAIL AND DAMAGING WINDS. TORNADO POTENTIAL IS A BIT MORE

UNCERTAIN GIVEN RELATIVELY HIGH CLOUD BASES....VEERED LOW LEVEL FLOW

AHEAD OF THE FRONT...AND DEEP-LAYER UNIDIRECTIONAL WIND PROFILES

EVIDENT IN SOUNDINGS AND VWP/PROFILER DATA ACROSS THE REGION. THESE

LIMITATIONS...HOWEVER...CAN BE OFFSET TO SOME DEGREE BY UPDRAFT

STRETCHING...STORM INTERACTIONS...AND THE POTENTIAL FOR VERY

LOCALIZED AREAS TO EXPERIENCE ENHANCED SR FLOW/HELICITY...SUCH AS

NEAR THE TRIPLE POINT LOW. TORNADO THREAT IS ALSO LIKELY GREATER

NEARER THE SURFACE LOW AND WARM FRONT IN MN WHERE ANOTHER WATCH MAY

BE NEEDED SHORTLY AFTER THIS INITIAL WATCH.

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That has been the area of interest from 3-4 days ago, but guidance has backed off a tad on low level flow backing...also increasing LCLs. But I agree, could be some nice moderately slow moving, high based sups.

RAP runs have actually been backing LL flow a bit more as the day has progressed, and also trended toward more extensive convective development in this region (which it wasn't doing much earlier this morning). Also, TDs are slightly higher to the south (relative to near the KS/NE boarder) with sightly lower sfc temps, presumably equating to slightly lower LCLs (as if it would really make a difference though).

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I have friends setting up near Redwood Falls MN, looks good to me, although maybe 50 miles south or thereabouts I think would be better

MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0926

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

0349 PM CDT SUN MAY 27 2012

AREAS AFFECTED...CNTRL MN INTO NWRN WI

CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH LIKELY

VALID 272049Z - 272145Z

PROBABILITY OF WATCH ISSUANCE...80 PERCENT

SUMMARY...WARM SECTOR ACROSS CNTRL MN INTO NWRN WI IS BEING

MONITORED FOR A TORNADO WW. CONVECTIVE INITIATION IS POSSIBLE OVER

THE NEXT HOUR OR TWO.

DISCUSSION...ALTHOUGH THE AREA HAS REMAINED CAPPED BENEATH A STRONG

EML...INCREASING FORCING FOR ASCENT WITH AN APPROACHING LARGER SCALE

UPPER TROUGH...AND AMPLE SURFACE HEATING /TEMPERATURES IN THE MID

80S F/ ARE CONTRIBUTING TO AN EROSION OF THE REMAINING CONVECTIVE

INHIBITION. THE WARM FRONT /PER 20Z SURFACE OBSERVATIONS/ HAS

PROGRESSED NWD TO CNTRL MN AND NWRN WI...WHILE A NE-SW ORIENTED COLD

FRONT HAS REACHED WRN MN. THE POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR DISCRETE AND

ROBUST UPDRAFTS WITHIN THE WARM SECTOR. INITIAL DEVELOPMENT WILL

LIKELY BE SUPERCELLULAR...ESPECIALLY INVOF OF THE WARM FRONT WHERE

DEEP-LAYER SHEAR VECTORS ARE LARGELY ORTHOGONAL TO THE FRONTAL

BOUNDARY. WITH INCREASINGLY FOCUSED SURFACE CONVERGENCE ALONG THE

COLD FRONT...A FORCED LINE OF CONVECTION AND SUBSEQUENT WIND THREAT

WILL BECOME LIKELY THIS EVENING.

..HURLBUT/CARBIN.. 05/27/2012

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The current dew points across the southern and central Plains, given several days of uninterrupted southerlies down to the Gulf Coast in late May, are just wrong. Not sure I've ever seen anything like it this late in the season. Surface maps like this would normally be reserved for last-minute moisture situations within 24 hrs. of return flow commencing -- if anything.

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living here in the north metro, for the first time today I'm starting to see some upward motion to the ne of me. Game is about to begin IMO Can't see much to the sw of me, to many trees, we live in a nice mature area of Champlin MN

May have to wait a bit, CU look flat on vis, cap still holding. If a few can go though, potential definitely exists. Are you out chasing?

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We've been watching the dry line near Franklin NE for quite a while not.. struggling mainly so far, though it might be getting closer. Mini convergence with Laubach crashing our party. Everyone else seems to be biting but we'll wait.

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