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[Ian]

...Sorry, just catching up. I don't care hoe other subforums keeps its posters in line, but I can say this... When "outsiders" post in here with the sole intention of trolling, their posts should be deleted, and the posters warned. If it happens repeatedly, they should be 5 posted for a week. After that, permanent suspension.

The problem is, pretty much the moderator here didn't do that, he was too busy having coffee and eggs benedict with the people causing trouble. He should have remained the professional voice of reason due to his position as moderator.

...Just sayin.

What SHOULD have happened was this... As soon as the troll posts in the ski thread were made, they should have been deleted, and the people who were posting them should have heard a "knock it off, guys (and gals) you know better". Instead, no posts get deleted, and the thread gets moved into OT. Of course, that only causes more drama.

posted a follow-up ski thread, and that too was immediately put in OT as well.

Bottom line, we need more mods in here. Will isn't around much, and neither is ekster. With more than one mod, one person's agenda doesn't spoil the entire site.

The trolling was uncalled for and should have been immediately dealt with regardless of any history. However, "outsiders" (which is such a loaded term since we're all on one site) should be treated as "insiders" if they are here in good will. The stupid back and forth between regions must stop. It will stop..

[CoastalWx]

The trolling was uncalled for and should have been immediately dealt with. However, "outsiders" (which is such a loaded term since we're all on one site) should be treated as "insiders" if they are here in good will. The stupid back and forth between regions must stop. It will stop..

It's beyond dumb.

[Professional Lurker]

.. We don't need more moderation amongst ourselves, we need mods who won't tolerate any crap from outsiders.

...That being said,

Its never, EVER a good idea to feed into internet forum bs, whether its somebody from the mid-atlantic, or the constant warm/cold trolling.

As much as I love reading this forum, the "torch/no-torch debate has the potential to get ugly and personal. Obviously joking can be fun, but things can definitely be misconstrued on words.

One must take into account boxwx's post constantly so things don't get taken the wrong way.

We're all friends here, let's all take the advice of bill and ted...

"Be excellent to each other."

[Damage In Tolland]

The trolling was uncalled for and should have been immediately dealt with regardless of any history. However, "outsiders" (which is such a loaded term since we're all on one site) should be treated as "insiders" if they are here in good will. The stupid back and forth between regions must stop. It will stop..

Rule with an iron fist!

[weatherwiz]

What has been going on lately with all the "drama" unfortunately is a result of what's been building up for years. Within our subforum many of us have developed tremendous friendships and have become quite close. This certainly is not a bad thing, however, I believe it has lead to some decreasing quality of our subforum. We definitely do need to limit the amount of OT that goes on in our subforum and don't need more than one banter thread. The sports/lawn threads should be in OT...if you want to talk about lawn or sports do it in the ONE banter thread.

As far as the trolling goes all of that is just ridiculous and hopefully that comes to and end soon. It adds zero value to anything and it just completely downgrades any quality.

All of this could be preventing others (whether they be mets or not) from wanting to contribute to the discussions or even from joining the board. If we can get more people to contribute, especially some mets that would be tremendous for this board and for the community and this could be something that can eventually work in favor towards generating increased interest in any future conferences.

[HoarfrostHubb]

What has been going on lately with all the "drama" unfortunately is a result of what's been building up for years. Within our subforum many of us have developed tremendous friendships and have become quite close. This certainly is not a bad thing, however, I believe it has lead to some decreasing quality of our subforum. We definitely do need to limit the amount of OT that goes on in our subforum and don't need more than one banter thread. The sports/lawn threads should be in OT...if you want to talk about lawn or sports do it in the ONE banter thread.

As far as the trolling goes all of that is just ridiculous and hopefully that comes to and end soon. It adds zero value to anything and it just completely downgrades any quality.

All of this could be preventing others (whether they be mets or not) from wanting to contribute to the discussions or even from joining the board. If we can get more people to contribute, especially some mets that would be tremendous for this board and for the community and this could be something that can eventually work in favor towards generating increased interest in any future conferences.

Paul, with all due respect, I disagree about moving the threads, if it is not too much to ask. If they go into general OT they will be buried and filled with crap.

Just my opinion. I don't make the decisions. If Brian, Bob, Will, etc. deem they should go there, fine. I would be disappointed, but life would go on.

You are one of the better wx posters on here now. Keep up the good work. Sorry if I clutter the threads with goofing around posts.

[ski MRG]

My wife thought the stuff at Lowes looked about as good. I have no idea. If water comes out hot and cold I am fine.

We have a big (cheap) center island in our kitchen. Would I need to remove it and tile under? Tile around?

I don't know, in my experience when you're doing a remodel/rehab its best to rip all the old crap out and start with a clean slate. If you are doing new cabinets then you should definitely pull it. If you're doing just the floor then maybe you could tile around it but that usually ends up looking cobby. Nothing worse than spending a ton of coin and ending up with a cob job. Is there a sink in the island? I'm not sure how far you are going to take the project but one common mistake people make when redesigning is keeping sinks, frigs, stoves where they've always been. It's often not that hard to move these fixtures. Obviously if the sink is in front of a window that has an amazing view maybe you want to keep it there. Then again if the view is amazing rip that sink out,put in a huge door and build a 20x60 deck with a jacuzzi, sound system, BBQ area. Then add an inground infinity lap pool and while we're at it.........

[weatherwiz]

Paul, with all due respect, I disagree about moving the threads, if it is not too much to ask. If they go into general OT they will be buried and filled with crap.

Just my opinion. I don't make the decisions. If Brian, Bob, Will, etc. deem they should go there, fine. I would be disappointed, but life would go on.

You are one of the better wx posters on here now. Keep up the good work. Sorry if I clutter the threads with goofing around posts.

Those subjects should just be included in the main banter thread. Now, if the skiing and lawn threads could actually have more in the way of weather discussion and not be mainly an OT type of thread than I'm sure it wouldn't be a major issue but those threads usually end up with more banter talk and having several banter threads does reduce the quality here.

Nothing wrong with making goofing around posts, I think we're all guilty of that every once in a while. The one great thing about our forum though is when we do get major threats everyone cracks down pretty well and the level of OT posts drops significantly.

Thanks for the kind words!

[powderfreak]

Well maybe..but according to Robert, I am the main problem,,and am the cause of all the sub forum fighting, even though I never disparage any other region, or even talk about them at all..and that i am the one who brings down our threads.,and make threads turn to hell...Apparently he talks about me behind my back in the mod forum from what i hear.

Oh well. Blizz will be Blizz and won't be shut down. This isn't Cuba

You're definitely not the main problem... I always seem to feel the need to make a response to some of your outlandish posts (as it seems a lot of folks do, lol) but its the summer, its boring, and like cpick said, there is some entertainment value.

You do create discussion, that is for sure.

The real problem is when folks from outside the region come in and do nothing but troll. Sometimes we get some good posts from mid-Atlantic folks, but often they are not here to talk weather, they are here to start something (ie the first ski thread was a prime example).

[HoarfrostHubb]

I don't know, in my experience when you're doing a remodel/rehab its best to rip all the old crap out and start with a clean slate. If you are doing new cabinets then you should definitely pull it. If you're doing just the floor then maybe you could tile around it but that usually ends up looking cobby. Nothing worse than spending a ton of coin and ending up with a cob job. Is there a sink in the island? I'm not sure how far you are going to take the project but one common mistake people make when redesigning is keeping sinks, frigs, stoves where they've always been. It's often not that hard to move these fixtures. Obviously if the sink is in front of a window that has an amazing view maybe you want to keep it there. Then again if the view is amazing rip that sink out,put in a huge door and build a 20x60 deck with a jacuzzi, sound system, BBQ area. Then add an inground infinity lap pool and while we're at it.........

Lol...just the floor in the kitchen (and the other bathroom). The island is just a big set of cabinets/drawers, but we want to keep it. I don't even know how it is attached to the subfloor...gum? All of the cabinets are staying....for this year anyway.

Our house was built rather cheaply. Cheap cabinets, siding, fixtures, etc.

[Damage In Tolland]

You're definitely not the main problem... I always seem to feel the need to make a response to some of your outlandish posts (as it seems a lot of folks do, lol) but its the summer, its boring, and like cpick said, there is some entertainment value.

You do create discussion, that is for sure.

The real problem is when folks from outside the region come in and do nothing but troll. Sometimes we get some good posts from mid-Atlantic folks, but often they are not here to talk weather, they are here to start something (ie the first ski thread was a prime example).

Hopefully Boberick takes notice of these kind posts..

Signed BFF Kev

[HoarfrostHubb]

Those subjects should just be included in the main banter thread. Now, if the skiing and lawn threads could actually have more in the way of weather discussion and not be mainly an OT type of thread than I'm sure it wouldn't be a major issue but those threads usually end up with more banter talk and having several banter threads does reduce the quality here.

Nothing wrong with making goofing around posts, I think we're all guilty of that every once in a while. The one great thing about our forum though is when we do get major threats everyone cracks down pretty well and the level of OT posts drops significantly.

Thanks for the kind words!

I disagree, no one needs to look at them if not interested in ski/lawn stuff. Heck, even Will started a golf thread before. I never looked in there really.

I think it could be solved (in every region) if there was a regional OT section that could have sub threads. This is just how my little brain works. We already have subforums and a main section. We have a main OT section, why not have regional OT sections?

Do we go through something like this every summer?

[powderfreak]

Those subjects should just be included in the main banter thread. Now, if the skiing and lawn threads could actually have more in the way of weather discussion and not be mainly an OT type of thread than I'm sure it wouldn't be a major issue but those threads usually end up with more banter talk and having several banter threads does reduce the quality here.

I've never posted or even read the Lawn thread, but I disagree with you on the skiing thread not having more weather discussion. Of course right now it won't have much weather, but in season all I posted there was weather obs/summery of the day with photos and snow stake info, along with any upcoming threats and how it'll effect the ski conditions.

Of course, the ski thread is going to focus on weather primarily in the mountains so its not relevant to everyone, but trust me if we lump it all into one banter thread, it'll just be too much to handle.

The main thing I don't get, is that this whole sub-forum idea was so that we could have more specialized threads for various weather related topics. We put it all into one banter thread, or move all that stuff to off-topic, then essentially we are left with two active threads in the entire sub-forum (whatever the running weather thread is, and the banter thread).

My other question would be, who minds having those threads there? Who thinks that is taking up valuable front page space on our New England sub-forum so much so that we need to get rid of them? I could see if we were still one big board, but with sub-forums, the idea is to have more specialized topics... not one massive banter thread and one running active weather thread.

[weatherMA]

Well maybe..but according to Robert, I am the main problem,,and am the cause of all the sub forum fighting, even though I never disparage any other region, or even talk about them at all..and that i am the one who brings down our threads.,and make threads turn to hell...Apparently he talks about me behind my back in the mod forum from what i hear.

Oh well. Blizz will be Blizz and won't be shut down. This isn't Cuba

Who cares. Sure you hype up stuff but like you said, you're not the main problem. I thought everything was fine until the ski thread was deleted, but IDK, I havent been on here every minute of my life like I am in the winter LOL. That thread didnt need to be deleted...I agree with professional lurker mostly...that should have been handled much differently. But it wasn't.

[powderfreak]

I disagree, no one needs to look at them if not interested in ski/lawn stuff. Heck, even Will started a golf thread before. I never looked in there really.

I think it could be solved (in every region) if there was a regional OT section that could have sub threads. This is just how my little brain works. We already have subforums and a main section. We have a main OT section, why not have regional OT sections?

Do we go through something like this every summer?

I just think putting threads where folks talk about the weather's impact on landscaping or weather's impact on ski resorts in the winter, in the OT forum is like grouping those threads with threads like "I had a turkey sandwich for lunch, how about you?" or "What band did you listen to in 1995?"... things that are REALLY off-topic and not even remotely related to weather.

I don't think we need an off-topic regional sub-forum... again if we put all this stuff in another sub-forum, we will be left with like 2 threads that see posts. We still only focus on like 1-2 weather threads at a time (3 at most) and then have a few that are weather-related banter threads. I don't see how that clogs up our sub-forum with bad posts.

[weatherMA]

Hopefully Boberick takes notice of these kind posts..

Signed BFF Kev

THIS

I disagree, no one needs to look at them if not interested in ski/lawn stuff. Heck, even Will started a golf thread before. I never looked in there really.

I think it could be solved (in every region) if there was a regional OT section that could have sub threads. This is just how my little brain works. We already have subforums and a main section. We have a main OT section, why not have regional OT sections?

Do we go through something like this every summer?

THIS

I've never posted or even read the Lawn thread, but I disagree with you on the skiing thread not having more weather discussion. Of course right now it won't have much weather, but in season all I posted there was weather obs/summery of the day with photos and snow stake info, along with any upcoming threats and how it'll effect the ski conditions.

Of course, the ski thread is going to focus on weather primarily in the mountains so its not relevant to everyone, but trust me if we lump it all into one banter thread, it'll just be too much to handle.

The main thing I don't get, is that this whole sub-forum idea was so that we could have more specialized threads for various weather related topics. We put it all into one banter thread, or move all that stuff to off-topic, then essentially we are left with two active threads in the entire sub-forum (whatever the running weather thread is, and the banter thread).

My other question would be, who minds having those threads there? Who thinks that is taking up valuable front page space on our New England sub-forum so much so that we need to get rid of them? I could see if we were still one big board, but with sub-forums, the idea is to have more specialized topics... not one massive banter thread and one running active weather thread.

AND This. Its working out fine how it has been...no idea why more drama needed to be started. People really need to lighten up.

[HoarfrostHubb]

[Ian]

I think some of you just need to remember we have a whole OT section. This is not it.

[powderfreak]

I think some of you just need to remember we have a whole OT section. This is not it.

I'd just be happy this discussion is taking place in the banter thread and not in the weather thread

[weatherwiz]

I disagree, no one needs to look at them if not interested in ski/lawn stuff. Heck, even Will started a golf thread before. I never looked in there really.

I think it could be solved (in every region) if there was a regional OT section that could have sub threads. This is just how my little brain works. We already have subforums and a main section. We have a main OT section, why not have regional OT sections?

Do we go through something like this every summer?

I think the problem is though when these threads become excessive and on the main page come close to outnumbering main weather threads it kind of is an issue. Sure people don't have to click on threads if not interested, however, if you have someone coming over and not really familiar with the forum they could see that and get the wrong idea.

Not sure if regional OT threads would be great for the board. With this being a weather board first the goal is to limit OT and since we already have an OT section as much OT as possible should be confined to there.

Also, stating if we moved these threads to regular OT and possibly becoming buried the same thing happens in our forum with the main weather threads we have and have had.

I've never posted or even read the Lawn thread, but I disagree with you on the skiing thread not having more weather discussion. Of course right now it won't have much weather, but in season all I posted there was weather obs/summery of the day with photos and snow stake info, along with any upcoming threats and how it'll effect the ski conditions.

Of course, the ski thread is going to focus on weather primarily in the mountains so its not relevant to everyone, but trust me if we lump it all into one banter thread, it'll just be too much to handle.

The main thing I don't get, is that this whole sub-forum idea was so that we could have more specialized threads for various weather related topics. We put it all into one banter thread, or move all that stuff to off-topic, then essentially we are left with two active threads in the entire sub-forum (whatever the running weather thread is, and the banter thread).

My other question would be, who minds having those threads there? Who thinks that is taking up valuable front page space on our New England sub-forum so much so that we need to get rid of them? I could see if we were still one big board, but with sub-forums, the idea is to have more specialized topics... not one massive banter thread and one running active weather thread.

Yes, the ski thread does have some great weather discussion permitting to skiing which is fantastic! I didn't mean to say ski thread, I meant the other OT threads we have.

Creating so many threads though permitting to different discussions really starts to bury threads, especially over time and if someone is looking for a thread which has fantastic information it can make it very difficult to find. I know we have a search function but the search function is not the greatest feature in the world.

If we really had only two active threads that really isn't that bad. It would at least keep more of the other weather threads on the main thread which is easily accessible to anyone coming over and since our area has great threads/discussions this could really attract people who browse the forum to actually join.

[weatherMA]

I think some of you just need to remember we have a whole OT section. This is not it.

Yeah but

1) The threads get buried easily.

2) the SNE Lawn/ski thread should be posted in SNE.

3) Members from other regions will troll the hell out of the Ski thread.

4) Half the people who post in the ski/lawn/golf thread never leave SNE and go to OT. Those 2 threads don't ruin the board and make more sense to be on the wx side.

JMHO.

[Tropopause_Fold]

the problem, for me personally, is the board is just a giant pissing contest now. *all the time*. it's all about being right and wrong and verifying stuff.

you can no longer just toss around thoughts and ideas for the sake of discussion without someone going and grabbing the quote 5 days later and calling you out. it's weird and f-ed up and makes posting much less enjoyable.

[CoastalWx]

the problem, for me personally, is the board is just a giant pissing contest now. *all the time*. it's all about being right and wrong and verifying stuff.

you can no longer just toss around thoughts and ideas for the sake of discussion without someone going and grabbing the quote 5 days later and calling you out. it's weird and f-ed up and makes posting much less enjoyable.

I agree with this.

[weatherwiz]

the problem, for me personally, is the board is just a giant pissing contest now. *all the time*. it's all about being right and wrong and verifying stuff.

you can no longer just toss around thoughts and ideas for the sake of discussion without someone going and grabbing the quote 5 days later and calling you out. it's weird and f-ed up and makes posting much less enjoyable.

Completely agree.

For some on here forecasting the weather is all about being right or wrong, it should be more about the educational experience and learning from your mistakes and building on what worked best. There are so many knowledgeable people on here that if everyone worked together the amount everyone could learn would be through the roof.

Also, the excessive bust posts have gotten beyond annoying. There can never be one weather event, whether it be snowfall, convection, level of heat or cold, etc without someone making a "bust" post. Weather is not a guarantee or an absolute...things are going to happen but we don't expect...it's all part of the science.

[HoarfrostHubb]

One thing I have to say is that for the most part, admins and mods have done a great job in the parts of AmWx I have visited. Not perfect, but overall, for volunteers in a big forum they do well.

Phil made a good point, and we are ALL guilty of that

[Mr Torchey]

I agree with this.

Make sure to PM regarding my address so you can send that case of cider for my victory verifying my prediction of +2 or greater departure at BOS more than 5 days ago, m'kay.....thanks.

[ski MRG]

I think some of you just need to remember we have a whole OT section. This is not it.

I remember.....sniff.

[ski MRG]

Who cares. Sure you hype up stuff but like you said, you're not the main problem. I thought everything was fine until the ski thread was deleted, but IDK, I havent been on here every minute of my life like I am in the winter LOL. That thread didnt need to be deleted...I agree with professional lurker mostly...that should have been handled much differently. But it wasn't.

Bob restored it.

[powderfreak]

I think the problem is though when these threads become excessive and on the main page come close to outnumbering main weather threads it kind of is an issue. Sure people don't have to click on threads if not interested, however, if you have someone coming over and not really familiar with the forum they could see that and get the wrong idea.

Not sure if regional OT threads would be great for the board. With this being a weather board first the goal is to limit OT and since we already have an OT section as much OT as possible should be confined to there.

Also, stating if we moved these threads to regular OT and possibly becoming buried the same thing happens in our forum with the main weather threads we have and have had.

Yes, the ski thread does have some great weather discussion permitting to skiing which is fantastic! I didn't mean to say ski thread, I meant the other OT threads we have.

Creating so many threads though permitting to different discussions really starts to bury threads, especially over time and if someone is looking for a thread which has fantastic information it can make it very difficult to find. I know we have a search function but the search function is not the greatest feature in the world.

If we really had only two active threads that really isn't that bad. It would at least keep more of the other weather threads on the main thread which is easily accessible to anyone coming over and since our area has great threads/discussions this could really attract people who browse the forum to actually join.

You've got some good points, but my response to that would be that the few banter/quasi-weather threads we have aren't necessarily "burying" our weather threads and its still pretty easy to find event threads if you scroll through to find them.

The ski and lawn threads are always near the top of the page because people participate in them. New ones aren't started every few days so if you go through ALL the pages of threads we have, so far you'd only find 2 ski threads (one for last year and now one for this year) and you'd also only find 1 or 2 lawn threads (one for this summer and one for last summer).

I know it seems like we have a lot of them, but we don't. They just stay near the top because people like them and participate in them. There aren't loads of these "off-topic" threads burying all the weather threads. The weather threads get played out when an event is done or a time period over, and then they slowly move down the list.

This is the bottom of the first page of our sub-forum.... pretty much all weather related topics. You go to the next page and its all weather related topics, too. The few banter threads we have just stay near the top. Its not like you go to the next page of threads and find 4 more ski and lawn threads.

There really aren't many of these so called off topic threads... they just stay near the top because people post in them.

Its not like a new one is created each day burying everything with un-needed threads.

[CoastalWx]

Make sure to PM regarding my address so you can send that case of cider for my victory verifying my prediction of +2 or greater departure at BOS more than 5 days ago, m'kay.....thanks.

You mad?