NorEaster27 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Par for the course if you ask me. This is the new normal. It's pathetic that we've recorded such insane above normal departures so many months when these departures are being compared to the warmest 30 year baseline on record (1980-2000.) water temps in the mid 60s off the coast in late may, thats beyond rediculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmagan Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 12Z Observations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 the obs from the nyc thicket are once again lower than the nearby airports just look at the pictures: http://www.weather2000.com/ASOS/NYC_ASOS.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted May 29, 2012 Author Share Posted May 29, 2012 12z NAM not really enthused on anything this afternoon. It brings a line of convection through early tomorrow morning, around 6z. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted May 29, 2012 Author Share Posted May 29, 2012 10:00am temps: NYC: 81 LGA: 85 JFK: 82 EWR: 85 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weathergun Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 12z NAM not really enthused on anything this afternoon. It brings a line of convection through early tomorrow morning, around 6z. 6z is when the most shear and forcing arrives in the NYC area. Instability will be diminishing by then. Severe threat, I think, looks lower than 30%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 the obs from the nyc thicket are once again lower than the nearby airports just look at the pictures: http://www.weather20...S/NYC_ASOS.html current monthly departures: kewr: +3.1 kisp: +3.5 klga: +2.7 kjfk: +2.7 kbdr: +3.2 knyc: +2.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 10AM Roundup TEB: 85 NYC: 81 EWR: 85 LGA: 85 JFK: 82 ISP: 81 TTN: 83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmagan Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 the obs from the nyc thicket are once again lower than the nearby airports just look at the pictures: http://www.weather20...S/NYC_ASOS.html I could also point out that the airports are not representative of the true surrounding climate. I've stated this before, we could probably find some problem with all observing stations given the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 knyc is further from reality than any other asos site in the area. notice how the winds are almost always variable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted May 29, 2012 Author Share Posted May 29, 2012 knyc is further from reality than any other asos site in the area. notice how the winds are almost always variable Winds are blocked there. KNYC has its uses. It represents tree lined areas of NYC better then LGA. For instance, in Bayside, a tree lined area, I'm at 82 degrees. In Astoria at my home, a more city area, I'm at 85.5. KNYC represents certain areas well, NE Queens and the Bronx mostly, but for other areas its terrible; city like areas like Astoria, etc are better represented by LGA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolai Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 it's scorching outside and it's not even 11AM... so awful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 i would have no problems with the knyc asos if the sensors weren't embedded in the vegetation. if only someone would prune the trees surrounding it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Winds are blocked there. KNYC has its uses. It represents tree lined areas of NYC better then LGA. For instance, in Bayside, a tree lined area, I'm at 82 degrees. In Astoria at my home, a more city area, I'm at 85.5. KNYC represents certain areas well, NE Queens and the Bronx mostly, but for other areas its terrible; city like areas like Astoria, etc are better represented by LGA. I've found the highs at LGA to not be too horribly off on average. The lows on the other hand are ridiculous. I can have a ten degree spread with them on calm clear nights and I'm only 4 miles away. Western Queens matches up with LGA much better than eastern Queens. Eastern Queens is much more green and park covered than any other area of the city except for some sections of Staten Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 water temps in the mid 60s off the coast in late may, thats beyond rediculous. Literally hundreds of people swimming at Jones Beach yesterday... I have never seen that so early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted May 29, 2012 Author Share Posted May 29, 2012 Water temps off LI and the sound are generally 3-6 degrees above normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolai Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 the streak of above normal months has been so impressive and so lengthy (with minor interruptions.. we're talking 10+ years), I don't see how people can't buy into global warming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Water temps off LI and the sound are generally 3-6 degrees above normal. I wonder how that will feed back as we head into summer-more rain? higher temps right along the coast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEaster27 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 I wonder how that will feed back as we head into summer-more rain? higher temps right along the coast? probably translate into higher dews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 The NAM weakens the line of storms as they come through the area after 3z tonight. The model is hitting the heavy rain potential west of the City. We may need to wait until the 18-0z runs to be sure of the eastern extent of the heavy rain potential tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Winds are blocked there. KNYC has its uses. It represents tree lined areas of NYC better then LGA. For instance, in Bayside, a tree lined area, I'm at 82 degrees. In Astoria at my home, a more city area, I'm at 85.5. KNYC represents certain areas well, NE Queens and the Bronx mostly, but for other areas its terrible; city like areas like Astoria, etc are better represented by LGA. This is a good point - my only issue is that NYC is used as the center for weather in this region on most media, web radio etc.. outlets and sometimes misrepresents the extent of hot spells or seasonal extremes. An example of this are the # of 90 degree days over the last 10 years, most recently 2010 compare with other stations and the park was 10 - 15 or more lower. This kind of down plays that record season to a degree. It’s probably more nitpicking than anything else but almost 80% of the area recorded their first 90 readings yesterday and the park fell short. So the perception is we havent hit 90 yet in NYC. I cant see how today it doesnt, but lets say the park falls short again and most areas hit 90 again. You can then get to a point where the next heat spell come in June where the news is reporting first shot at 90s for the city - when in fact most areas have already hit 90 more more than once. For us weather buffs we kind of get it - but for most regular folks they would assume it hasnt hit 90 yet and probably its not a big deal to them anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted May 29, 2012 Author Share Posted May 29, 2012 Going forward, the euro and it's ensembles both look like normal temps. More of a flat flow with the heat confined south of DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted May 29, 2012 Author Share Posted May 29, 2012 This is a good point - my only issue is that NYC is used as the center for weather in this region on most media, web radio etc.. outlets and sometimes misrepresents the extent of hot spells or seasonal extremes. An example of this are the # of 90 degree days over the last 10 years, most recently 2010 compare with other stations and the park was 10 - 15 or more lower. This kind of down plays that record season to a degree. It’s probably more nitpicking than anything else but almost 80% of the area recorded their first 90 readings yesterday and the park fell short. So the perception is we havent hit 90 yet in NYC. I cant see how today it doesnt, but lets say the park falls short again and most areas hit 90 again. You can then get to a point where the next heat spell come in June where the news is reporting first shot at 90s for the city - when in fact most areas have already hit 90 more more than once. For us weather buffs we kind of get it - but for most regular folks they would assume it hasnt hit 90 yet and probably its not a big deal to them anyway. Agreed with most points, but its not like KNYC was way off yesterday. KLGA hit 90 and KNYC hit 89. Very minimal in term of spread. If KLGA were several degrees higher, yesterday would have been a bigger issue. But .5 to 1 degree difference is nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 that's a good dump of rain from SE PA to Western CT--almost looks like the line stalls out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Agreed with most points, but its not like KNYC was way off yesterday. KLGA hit 90 and KNYC hit 89. Very minimal in term of spread. If KLGA were several degrees higher, yesterday would have been a bigger issue. But .5 to 1 degree difference is nothing. I agree theres not much difference in the way 89 or 90 feels anyway, its more the perception of 90 is heat. Speaking of NYC its caught up to the surrounding sites and is at 84 now (its forecasted high) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 KMGJ is sitting at 85/75. Pretty impressive across the Hudson Valley... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Going forward, the euro and it's ensembles both look like normal temps. More of a flat flow with the heat confined south of DC. Euro keeps hinting at a trough over or nearby the NE coast, GFS a bit more bullish on ridging coming east between the 5th and 7th and thereafter. Perhaps a more zonal compromise is the way to go. Both show a deep trough digging into the west in about a week and beyond. This coming weekend may not be as friendly as the last few - looking a bit unsetteled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted May 29, 2012 Author Share Posted May 29, 2012 I agree theres not much difference in the way 89 or 90 feels anyway, its more the perception of 90 is heat. Speaking of NYC its caught up to the surrounding sites and is at 84 now (its forecasted high) 12z NAM has NYC into the 90's now: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snywx Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 86/75 up this way... This is ridiculous smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 86/75 up this way... This is ridiculous smh Disgusting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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