Stebo Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Could only plot significant hail/wind because otherwise there would have been too many reports to plot. Based on this, I don't really see a massive difference in severe storm occurrence in the areas being compared. Of course there isn't a difference yet this is ALWAYS brought up for whatever reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm8 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 A bit off topic, but its kinda cool how that wind reports map Hoosier posted almost looks like a population density plot. EDIT: Also, whats up with that tornado report in the middle of lake michigan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Of course there isn't a difference yet this is ALWAYS brought up for whatever reason. Because SE MI posters cannot handle the fact that severe wx is, by definition, a rare occurrence. Anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Because SE MI posters cannot handle the fact that severe wx is, by definition, a rare occurrence. Anywhere. Yep pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Also, whats up with that tornado report in the middle of lake michigan Incorrect coordinates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerball Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 I think Lake Michigan has something to do with that. The warm inflow probably gets choked off as it travels over the lake. Sometimes those complexes weaken before they even get to the lakefront. That's likely part of it. It has been a long time of course since we've had any serial derechoes in th Great Lakes region (August 2007 was arguably the last one), or any tornado outbreaks where as thy did seem to happen more frequently in the 1990s. Basically, it's the coverage and intensity of any individual severe weather events that's been unimpressive recently versus the frequency of them or the grand total severe weather events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 That's likely part of it. It has been a long time of course since we've had any serial derechoes in th Great Lakes region (August 2007 was arguably the last one), or any tornado outbreaks where as thy did seem to happen more frequently in the 1990s. Basically, it's the coverage and intensity of any individual severe weather events that's been unimpressive recently versus the frequency of them or the grand total severe weather events. October 2007 had a major tornado outbreak in the state... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Up to 89/61 here with southerly winds gusting close to 40mph. Thought about heading up to northeast Iowa but don't really wanna chase this setup alone. Storm speeds too fast and some question how far south the tornado potential extends. Think I'll just chill at home and do some good old fashioned back porch chasing later today lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm8 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 That's likely part of it. It has been a long time of course since we've had any serial derechoes in th Great Lakes region (August 2007 was arguably the last one), or any tornado outbreaks where as thy did seem to happen more frequently in the 1990s. Basically, it's the coverage and intensity of any individual severe weather events that's been unimpressive recently versus the frequency of them or the grand total severe weather events. 6/18/2010 comes to mind immediately, and I'm pretty confident there's been others... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 79°/55° now. That paper Alek posted a link to is a good one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Just ran to Subway down in Hillsdale. LOTS of blowing dust out in the open country. The sky has a hazy brown look to it too from all the blowing dust. Very dry conditions of late. Getting some very strong gusts to around 45mph now. Temp up to 90. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropical Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 DUST BOWL!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 DUST BOWL!!!!! Had a gust to 48mph on my station a little while ago. Dews are mixing out a little here. Dropped from 62 down to 58. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajdos Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 DUST BOWL!!!!! BRING IT ON! If we cant get a decent snow storm, why not a dust storm? How much dust are we expecting? I'm calling for 1-3". hah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Wow. 0214 PM NON-TSTM WND DMG 3 W ROCKTON 42.45N 89.13W 05/24/2012 WINNEBAGO IL BROADCAST MEDIA NEAR IL75, 3 FOOT DIAMETER TREE DOWN OVER EASTBOUND LANE. TRAFFIC BEING DIVERTED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Wow. 0214 PM NON-TSTM WND DMG 3 W ROCKTON 42.45N 89.13W 05/24/2012 WINNEBAGO IL BROADCAST MEDIA NEAR IL75, 3 FOOT DIAMETER TREE DOWN OVER EASTBOUND LANE. TRAFFIC BEING DIVERTED. What the heck... I bet that tree was partial rotted inside. That's not normal! Winds are only about 20mph here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 What the heck... I bet that tree was partial rotted inside. That's not normal! Winds are only about 20mph here. i'm seeing guts into the mid-upper 40s accross North Central Illinois but yeah, the tree was probably weakened in some way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinook Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 It looks like things could get interesting later this weekend in Chicago and Detroit. DTX discussion: FAST WESTERLY FLOW ACROSS THE UPPER MIDWEST AND GREAT LAKES REGION AND VEERING OF THE LOW LEVEL JET BOTH SAT AND SUN MORNING WILL LIKELY LEAD TO SEVERAL ROUNDS OF FORWARD PROPAGATING CONVECTIVE COMPLEXES ACROSS THE REGION /ALONG AND NORTH OF THE SFC WARM FRONT/...SOME OF WHICH WILL BE STRONG TO SEVERE. I wonder if Indiana or Ohio have a shot at record breaking highs coming up in a few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostfern Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Historically and climatologically, there is no truth to this statement. The GLOV region is a hotbed of historical tornado activity, it is the derecho capital of the nation, and, somewhat related to derechos, is ground-zero for NW-flow severe wx setups. You're spinning my statement to mean something other than what I said. I wasn't talking about only severe events (of which there may be only a few per year) but thunderstorms in general. I'd say that non-severe MCS's have a greater tendency to weaken as they move into Michigan than severe ones. http://www.cpc.ncep....cip_clim.shtml# Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, and Wisconsin are consistently wetter than Michigan from May through August. The only reason one could possibly suspect is that they get more thunderstorms, or at least thunderstorms with heavier precipitation. From lightning climatology as well, lower Michigan is on the edge of a very sharp SW to NE gradient in lightning strike density. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Made it to 91 today. Still getting 45mph+ gusts from time to time. The developing line of storms out in Iowa is moving more north than east. By the time it gets here it will probably be quickly weakening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted May 24, 2012 Author Share Posted May 24, 2012 RFD is gusting to 48mph. Edit: Make that 50mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm8 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, and Wisconsin are consistently wetter than Michigan from May through August. The only reason one could possibly suspect is that they get more thunderstorms, or at least thunderstorms with heavier precipitation. Uh.... or ya know, just more stratiform boring rain I'm not in total disagreement with you...I think there are several statistics that show at least MI might not get as much severe wx as areas in IL and OH/IN T-storm Watch Frequency: http://www.spc.noaa.gov/wcm/10ysvra.gif SPC Slight Risks Per Year: http://www.patricktmarsh.com/wp-content/gallery/2011images/slgtriskclimo.png But watches and SPC outlooks probably aren't as good of an indicator as Storm Reports are, and from the map Hoosier posted, we can see it's pretty evenly spread into MI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted May 24, 2012 Author Share Posted May 24, 2012 ORD topped out at 90 today...3rd 90+ day this year and 3F off the record high (93 - 1950/1921). RFD hit 93, which tied the record (2010/1921). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Was able to hang onto somewhat cooler lake air today, topped at 81° here. Upper 80s were < 10 miles way. Pleasant day overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxman1952 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Uh.... or ya know, just more stratiform boring rain I'm not in total disagreement with you...I think there are several statistics that show at least MI might not get as much severe wx as areas in IL and OH/IN T-storm Watch Frequency: http://www.spc.noaa....wcm/10ysvra.gif SPC Slight Risks Per Year: http://www.patricktm...gtriskclimo.png But watches and SPC outlooks probably aren't as good of an indicator as Storm Reports are, and from the map Hoosier posted, we can see it's pretty evenly spread into MI. interesting T-storm watch map. wish my area had a higher frequency.but I'll take what I can get, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundersnow12 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 we've seen a ton of textbook MCSs plow through N. Illinois over the past few years. Agreed, we have had a solid last 5 years or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldlogin Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 DUST BOWL!!!!! As you said---Dust Bowl PRELIMINARY LOCAL STORM REPORT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO/ROMEOVILLE IL 505 PM CDT THU MAY 24 2012 .TIME... ...EVENT... ...CITY LOCATION... ...LAT.LON .DATE... ....MAG.... ..COUNTY LOCATION..ST.. ...SOURCE. ..REMARKS.. 0341 PM DUST STORM 4 SSE MAPLE PARK 41.86N 88.56W 05/24/2012 KANE IL TRAINED SPOTTER NEAR ZERO VISIBILITY REPORTED ON INTERSTATE 88 WITH THE INTERSTATE CLOSED AT WATSON ROAD DUE TO AN ACCIDENT CAUSED BY BLOWING DUST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted May 24, 2012 Author Share Posted May 24, 2012 Smoke from the NM wildfires is moving into the area...Should make for a nice sunset in some areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevlon62 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 Have never seen anything like this in person. Hebron, IL getting pummeled by dust. Corn is up but not enough to keep the dry finer soils down. These are just south of town. Now in Lake Geneva. Water a gorgeous blue but noticeable dusty haze in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm8 Posted May 24, 2012 Share Posted May 24, 2012 18z NAM is scorching..upper 90s into DTW and ORD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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