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May 2012 General Discussion


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I think the pattern is going to get more favorable for severe tstorm chances toward next weekend, at least in the upper Midwest... farther south/east may be dealing with a ridge from hell so lower confidence.

The 12z GFS and latest Euro are really pissing me off now. Minnesota and northern Wisconsin are gonna hog all the t-storms if that verifies. Hopefully it's overdoing those 20c 850 temps. Otherwise it's the cap from hell. If there's no chance of t-storms due to a death ridge I'd rather have a nice Canadian high with 70s and 40 degree dps.

I'd advice not mowing your lawn too short right now if you want it to stay green for long.

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If the med range GFS/Euro are right, our lake breezes will be pretty much dead by early June

I don't want to hear that! lol

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@Hawkeye: I have a couple rain barrels too, but I also save some of the water that comes from the sump pump. As long as that turns on fairly regularly then I don't really need to use the hose.

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I don't want to hear that! lol

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@Hawkeye: I have a couple rain barrels too, but I also save some of the water that comes from the sump pump. As long as that turns on fairly regularly then I don't really need to use the hose.

Are you new to the lakes region?

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Here's something that you don't see every day from IND's afternoon disco:

.LONG TERM /MONDAY NIGHT THROUGH FRIDAY/

ISSUED AT 322 PM EDT FRI MAY 18 2012

THE MAIN FOCUS OF THE LONG TERM PERIOD CONTINUES TO BE

SHOWER/THUNDERSTORM CHANCES WITH UPPER LEVEL LOW AND ASSOCIATED

SURFACE FRONT.

THE EURO CONTINUES TO BE THE OUTLYING MODEL DURING THE EXTENDED

PERIOD...AND THE LATEST INITIALIZATION CONTINUES TO FAVOR THE GFS

AND CANADIAN. SINCE THE EVENT IS CLOSER...CONFIDENCE IS HIGH ENOUGH

TO COMPLETELY DISREGARD THE EURO AT THIS POINT.

ASSOCIATED COLD FRONT IS PROGGED TO BE THROUGH CENTRAL INDIANA LATE

MONDAY NIGHT. INITIALIZATION CONTINUES TO ONLY BRING IN CHANCE

POPS...MOST LIKELY DUE TO THE LIMITED GULF MOISTURE. THUNDERSTORM

CHANCES WILL DIMINISH QUICKLY ON TUESDAY IN WAKE OF COLD FRONT WITH

ONLY SCATTERED SHOWERS BY TUESDAY AFTERNOON.

TEMPS...INITIALIZATION NUMBERS LOOK GOOD EXCEPT FOR TUESDAY/S

HIGHS. IT DOES NOT SEEM TO BE PICKING UP ON ANY LINGERING RAIN

SHOWERS AND CLOUD COVER FROM AFOREMENTIONED COLD FRONT.

SO...LOWERED THOSE NUMBERS A FEW DEGREES.

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Actually, this incredibly dry airmass has understated the warmth quite a bit based on how we compute "average" temperatures. The high + low divide by 2 method doesn't factor in that the brief, but relatively chilly, lows are only occurring for a small fraction of the day. For example yesterday at ORD, if you integrated the day's temperature, you'd have found that it was about 2 degrees warmer than the stupid high + low method. Here at CLE, the real average temperature was 3.5 degrees warmer than the high + low method. I can't believe we are still calculating averages this way. We have enough historical data to go back and recompute this stuff, and especially since we redo the climate normals every 10 years anyway, there's reason enough to get rid of an antiquated unscientific method.

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88F... Ran up to Lake Wazee in Jackson County (Its north of Madison and about 2 hrs from MSP?). Kids were starting to go nuts so we had to go. Water temp had to be around 60f at the beach...pretty cold yet...only other people were a group of high school girls in bikinis...

Got the house all locked up tight. Keep the heat out. Still nice in here.

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12z Euro says the only rain around here in the next 10+ days is the little bit that might fall later Sunday. My rain barrels are useless right now because we can't get any rain to fill them. Looks like I'll be using tap water for the plants through the upcoming heat wave.

Is this a garden hose? If you have city water and are able to fill the barrels let the chlorine evaporate. It will be healtier for your plants. :sun:

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I'm suprised no one mentioned the easter egg in LOT's discussion...

http://forecast.weat...on=1&glossary=1

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FXUS63 KLOT 190142

AFDLOT

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION

NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE CHICAGO/ROMEOVILLE IL

315 PM CDT

FOR THE EXTENDED FORECAST PERIOD...FROM MONDAY THROUGH

FRIDAY...TEMPERATURES WILL START OUT CLOSER TO SEASONAL NORMAL

LEVELS AS COOLER AIR FILTER IN BEHIND THE EXITING FRONT...BUT BY

MIDWEEK...ANOTHER WARMING TREND IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP AS THE UPPER

LEVEL PATTERN BEGINS TO AMPLIFY AGAIN...WITH STRONG RIDGING

DEVELOPING OVER THE CNTRL CONUS. BY THE END OF NEXT

WEEK...TEMPERATURES SHOULD ONCE AGAIN REACH WELL INTO THE 80S...AND

THE LONG RANGE ECMWF IS SHOWING SIGNS OF EVEN MORE WARMING INTO

MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND WITH 850MB TEMPS IN THE MIDDLE 20S

CELSIUS...WHICH...IF MIXED DOWN TO THE SURFACE...WOULD IMPLY A

CHANCE FOR TEMPS IN THE UPPER 90S.

Even APX was discussing mid 90s in their CWA.

Pretty crazy for just late May. Of course, we discussed back in March that what may happen in the next 10 days would wreak havoc

on any summer forecasts going forward, even despite the ENSO going neutral/weak el nino (like 1991, 2002, 1976, etc.). If we didn't get enough relief into the drought areas by April/May, these heat bursts would be something else, as all of that hot, dry furnace-like air has just been settling/remaining stagnant over that region for at least 3 seasons now.

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I'm suprised no one mentioned the easter egg in LOT's discussion...

http://forecast.weat...on=1&glossary=1

Even APX was discussing mid 90s in their CWA.

Pretty crazy for just late May. Of course, we discussed back in March that what may happen in the next 10 days would wreak havoc

on any summer forecasts going forward, even despite the ENSO going neutral/weak el nino (like 1991, 2002, 1976, etc.). If we didn't get enough relief into the drought areas by April/May, these heat bursts would be something else, as all of that hot, dry furnace-like air has just been settling/remaining stagnant over that region for at least 3 seasons now.

That kinda hard to believe. I've only seen low 90s in May a handful of times - never seen mid 90s in May before. We would need a change to a wet patten to help tame the furnace heat down. We're getting into that time of year, when there needs to be an inch of rain every 10 days or so to keep areas out of drought status.

Nice night outside! 59° currently.

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Is this a garden hose? If you have city water and are able to fill the barrels let the chlorine evaporate. It will be healtier for your plants. :sun:

Or you could always add a little low concentrated solution of Na2S2O3 to drop out the chlorine lol. Works quite well.

Looks like tomorrow could be our first 90 of the season so far.

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If we're gonna torch this summer then I say let's go all out. Endless 90-95 gets pretty old...let's shoot for some 100's.

I'm suprised no one mentioned the easter egg in LOT's discussion...

http://forecast.weat...on=1&glossary=1

Even APX was discussing mid 90s in their CWA.

Pretty crazy for just late May. Of course, we discussed back in March that what may happen in the next 10 days would wreak havoc

on any summer forecasts going forward, even despite the ENSO going neutral/weak el nino (like 1991, 2002, 1976, etc.). If we didn't get enough relief into the drought areas by April/May, these heat bursts would be something else, as all of that hot, dry furnace-like air has just been settling/remaining stagnant over that region for at least 3 seasons now.

1988 here we come? :P

Not any crazier than March. The warm anomalies continue. I never thought that I'd live through another summer of '88. This summer could prove me wrong. The only difference is that AC is more readily available.

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Many offices this morning are talking about potential 90s by late in the week next week. Chicago though even mentioned an outside shot at triple digits.

FOR THOSE FOLKS WHO LOVE THE HEAT OF SUMMER...READ ON. FOR THOSE

FOLKS WHO DISLIKE HEAT AND HUMIDITY...ENJOY THE BEGINNING OF THE

WEEK. LONG RANGE GUIDANCE IS HINTING AT A PRETTY STAUNCH RIDGE

MOVING ACROSS THE MIDWEST BY NEXT WEEKEND. THE ECMWF IS INDICATING

THAT A +22 TO 26 H8 THERMAL RIDGE WILL TAKE RESIDENCE ACROSS THE

UPPER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY. /WHERE THE GFS ISNT QUITE AS WARM...WITH

ONLY +16 TO +18 DEGREES C READINGS/. THIS IS A SLIGHT NUDGE UPWARDS

FROM YESTERDAY...AND MUCH CAN CHANGE BEING A WEEK OUT. BUT IF THE EC

SOLUTION WERE TO PAN OUT...DAYTIME HIGHS COULD EASILY CRACK THE MID

90S...AND IF DEWPOINTS WERE TO BE IN THE MIDDLE TO UPPER 60S...THE

APPARENT TEMPERATURE WOULD LIKELY CRACK THE TRIPLE DIGIT READINGS.

GIVEN SIMILAR TRENDS WITH THE GEM...DO FEEL CONFIDENT GOING HIGHER

THAN WHAT THE CONSENSUS GUIDANCE GIVES US TONIGHT...BUT NOT

CONFIDENT ENOUGH TO GO WITH HIGHS AT THE END OF THE WEEK OUT OF THE

LOWER 90S AT THIS POINT...BUT WILL CONTINUE THE TREND SLIGHTLY

HIGHER FROM INHERITED TONIGHT. CHANCES FOR RAIN ALSO LOOK LOW

THROUGH THE WEEK AND LIKELY INTO NEXT WEEKEND.

Looking at records for DTW, the all time record high for DTW in May is 95 set all the way back in 1895 on the 31st. Not that I think it will happen but to put into reference how rare 100 would be for here, June 8th hit 100 in 1933 after that the next 100+ record is June 25th set back in 1988 at 104.

As for Chicago, like Detroit it has never hit 100 for the month of May, the all time record is 98 set back in 1934, their first 100 record fell on June 1st also in 1934 at 102. Their next +100 record isn't until the 19th of June, where it hit 102 in 1953. Needless to say anything around 100 would be all time record territory for Detroit/Chicago.

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