Logan11 Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 We're at the point now where you need a fairly deep low in the right position on the coast to get a real snowstorm. Well... we couldn't get such perfection once all winter ...after October that is. But I'm a "never say die" person when it comes to snow so let's hope for the best. Yeah it doesn't look all that bad from a set up standpoint. Would be nice if this winter at least ended on an interesting note, but we all know better than to expect something worthwhile...lol. I hope the newbies (particularly across ern areas) take this winter as a reality check. This is why you cherish and hold those winters that blessed us with 50"+. Many of them may have been too young to remember much before '92-'93. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 We all had an azzy season..your area just happened to be the area where dingleberries were left Left and plopped on my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Why? 11.8 inches of snow?? Come on man. It doesn't snow in Fairfield anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 You guys had an exponentially better winter than I had...even with your lack luster amount. My biggest storm was 3.9" and gone within a day. Yeah that's pretty ugly. I can't complain, but even in the "snowy" northern Greens this was the worst season in at least 15 years in terms of snowfall. Everyone got screwed this year. At the 3,000ft snow board I measured only 211" when the 15-year average is 325". Adding this year in dropped that 15-year average to 317". Lost 8" on the average just from this winter alone. I know what you are thinking, "That guy measured saw 211" of snowfall and is still complaining" but its all relative to what you are used to. Of course, 211" still means a decent amount of snow events, but its also less than half of what that elevation got in 2000-2001 (436"). At 1,500ft snow board we had 136" which is also obscenely low for that location. A long term average isn't established but its likely 180" or in that neighborhood. Down at 800ft in town, 90-100" this season compared with 150" last season. And the other kicker is a good deal of the snowfall this season came from upslope so it was fluffy in nature given the dearth of synoptic storms and precipitation in general this season. Fluffy snow is nice when there's nothing else, but you don't get that massive snowpack feeling from it. When it really shines is when you are getting it inbetween consistent synoptic storms. That's what the best winters are made of. Generally speaking, we had around 60-70% of normal which is about as low as it can possible get around here since upslope snow is pretty much a given, as even the worst winters you can still count on cold air coming in from the west and northwest at some point and that air needs to go over the Greens. This is a good benchmark winter for what happens when there are no synoptic storms and you just live on orographic lift snows. BTV outside the orographic area, got only 40% normal snowfall. Last year at this time BTV had almost 100 more inches than they do right now on the season. That's impressive. I do hope BOS gets some good storms next year though... it wouldn't bother me at all to see them clean-up in a few where everyone else is sort of seeing flurries or something. Hopefully they can pick up a late-blooming Miller B that's just far enough out there that its really only the coast seeing it. They are due for one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 Yeah that's pretty ugly. I can't complain, but even in the "snowy" northern Greens this was the worst season in at least 15 years in terms of snowfall. Everyone got screwed this year. At the 3,000ft snow board I measured only 211" when the 15-year average is 325". Adding this year in dropped that 15-year average to 317". Lost 8" on the average just from this winter alone. I know what you are thinking, "That guy measured saw 211" of snowfall and is still complaining" but its all relative to what you are used to. Of course, 211" still means a decent amount of snow events, but its also less than half of what that elevation got in 2000-2001 (436"). At 1,500ft snow board we had 136" which is also obscenely low for that location. A long term average isn't established but its likely 180" or in that neighborhood. Down at 800ft in town, 90-100" this season compared with 150" last season. And the other kicker is a good deal of the snowfall this season came from upslope so it was fluffy in nature given the dearth of synoptic storms and precipitation in general this season. Fluffy snow is nice when there's nothing else, but you don't get that massive snowpack feeling from it. When it really shines is when you are getting it inbetween consistent synoptic storms. That's what the best winters are made of. Generally speaking, we had around 60-70% of normal which is about as low as it can possible get around here since upslope snow is pretty much a given, as even the worst winters you can still count on cold air coming in from the west and northwest at some point and that air needs to go over the Greens. This is a good benchmark winter for what happens when there are no synoptic storms and you just live on orographic lift snows. BTV outside the orographic area, got only 40% normal snowfall. Last year at this time BTV had almost 100 more inches than they do right now on the season. That's impressive. I do hope BOS gets some good storms next year though... it wouldn't bother me at all to see them clean-up in a few where everyone else is sort of seeing flurries or something. Hopefully they can pick up a late-blooming Miller B that's just far enough out there that its really only the coast seeing it. They are due for one of those. Oh trust me, to see the Mt Mansfield coop have a late April snow depth in February speaks volume..lol. It's all relative like you said. Just to reiterate, it's the way I got porked that sucks..not just the amount of snow. Almost a never ending screw job with each snow event to be honest. The anti '10-'11 winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 that last post is why i need to move to stowe at 1500' plus. a bad year when the worst they can get is 67% of snowfall (so far) and snow is in the air 80 plus days. SNE climo is no good for a true snow lover. i mean if you like being satisfied. and the thing to me that is "magical" about stowe...upslope is that it is unpredictable. i spoke briefly w/ powderfreak about this. But it wasn't suppose to snow 3 inches thur evening/nite in the greens . wasn't in the Burlington AFD...wasn't in the high summit forecast that morning. It's like as i said a moose farts and the upslope machine gets set off. How many times in boston does it snow 3-4 inches and precip wasn't forecast. in stowe..it seems with NW flow and decent moisture... you just watch the radar and when it lights up you just hope it stay lit up and more times than not it seems to deliver .....sometimes for days on end. to me that is magical and no other area in new england offers that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted April 2, 2012 Share Posted April 2, 2012 No offense to Kevin and CT people next year....if it happens to be a Miller B fest...I have no sympathy for you guys. Scott, any idea on a good resource for weather info on Denali? Something beyond just NWS products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Scott, any idea on a good resource for weather info on Denali? Something beyond just NWS products. You mean like climo type stuff? Other than the NWS sites..not sure what you can find other than the normal stuff on line. You don't need to know the climo there. It snows.....and snows...and snows. That's all you have to know..lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Yeah that's pretty ugly. I can't complain, but even in the "snowy" northern Greens this was the worst season in at least 15 years in terms of snowfall. Everyone got screwed this year. At the 3,000ft snow board I measured only 211" when the 15-year average is 325". Adding this year in dropped that 15-year average to 317". Lost 8" on the average just from this winter alone. I know what you are thinking, "That guy measured saw 211" of snowfall and is still complaining" but its all relative to what you are used to. Of course, 211" still means a decent amount of snow events, but its also less than half of what that elevation got in 2000-2001 (436"). At 1,500ft snow board we had 136" which is also obscenely low for that location. A long term average isn't established but its likely 180" or in that neighborhood. Down at 800ft in town, 90-100" this season compared with 150" last season. And the other kicker is a good deal of the snowfall this season came from upslope so it was fluffy in nature given the dearth of synoptic storms and precipitation in general this season. Fluffy snow is nice when there's nothing else, but you don't get that massive snowpack feeling from it. When it really shines is when you are getting it inbetween consistent synoptic storms. That's what the best winters are made of. Generally speaking, we had around 60-70% of normal which is about as low as it can possible get around here since upslope snow is pretty much a given, as even the worst winters you can still count on cold air coming in from the west and northwest at some point and that air needs to go over the Greens. This is a good benchmark winter for what happens when there are no synoptic storms and you just live on orographic lift snows. BTV outside the orographic area, got only 40% normal snowfall. Last year at this time BTV had almost 100 more inches than they do right now on the season. That's impressive. I do hope BOS gets some good storms next year though... it wouldn't bother me at all to see them clean-up in a few where everyone else is sort of seeing flurries or something. Hopefully they can pick up a late-blooming Miller B that's just far enough out there that its really only the coast seeing it. They are due for one of those. It's totally flat down there, it would be a complete waste. Better to keep it in the mountains where it's put to good use. I suppose it would be ok if they got a dusting around the holidays but otherwise who cares what happens where 98% live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 You mean like climo type stuff? Other than the NWS sites..not sure what you can find other than the normal stuff on line. You don't need to know the climo there. It snows.....and snows...and snows. That's all you have to know..lol. We may fly in there and get dropped of for a few days in early May weather provided. My friends fly there a lot but I'm curious as to what the odds are we'll get a period of CAAVU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#NoPoles Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 dang...it just abruptly became windy as all heck...haven't been paying attenion to forecast details lately so this is a surprise...and i just put the newspapers on the curb for recycling in the morning...me FTL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 You want a pitiful #... Hunter Mountain had 46 inches for their entire winter season. Two years ago they had 72 inches in that one several day period of late February. Yeah that's pretty ugly. I can't complain, but even in the "snowy" northern Greens this was the worst season in at least 15 years in terms of snowfall. Everyone got screwed this year. At the 3,000ft snow board I measured only 211" when the 15-year average is 325". Adding this year in dropped that 15-year average to 317". Lost 8" on the average just from this winter alone. I know what you are thinking, "That guy measured saw 211" of snowfall and is still complaining" but its all relative to what you are used to. Of course, 211" still means a decent amount of snow events, but its also less than half of what that elevation got in 2000-2001 (436"). At 1,500ft snow board we had 136" which is also obscenely low for that location. A long term average isn't established but its likely 180" or in that neighborhood. Down at 800ft in town, 90-100" this season compared with 150" last season. And the other kicker is a good deal of the snowfall this season came from upslope so it was fluffy in nature given the dearth of synoptic storms and precipitation in general this season. Fluffy snow is nice when there's nothing else, but you don't get that massive snowpack feeling from it. When it really shines is when you are getting it inbetween consistent synoptic storms. That's what the best winters are made of. Generally speaking, we had around 60-70% of normal which is about as low as it can possible get around here since upslope snow is pretty much a given, as even the worst winters you can still count on cold air coming in from the west and northwest at some point and that air needs to go over the Greens. This is a good benchmark winter for what happens when there are no synoptic storms and you just live on orographic lift snows. BTV outside the orographic area, got only 40% normal snowfall. Last year at this time BTV had almost 100 more inches than they do right now on the season. That's impressive. I do hope BOS gets some good storms next year though... it wouldn't bother me at all to see them clean-up in a few where everyone else is sort of seeing flurries or something. Hopefully they can pick up a late-blooming Miller B that's just far enough out there that its really only the coast seeing it. They are due for one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 You want a pitiful #... Hunter Mountain had 46 inches for their entire winter season. Two years ago they had 72 inches in that one several day period of late February. Ouch. That's really bad for them. I skied there a few times this Winter, fortunately they light the place up with snowmaking so even without much help from mother nature conditions were decent but some of the steepest terrain was rock ski suitable only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 I had more snow IMBYy than Hunter? Wow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowlover76 Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 You want a pitiful #... Hunter Mountain had 46 inches for their entire winter season. Two years ago they had 72 inches in that one several day period of late February. Most of the Catskill ski areas saw totals in that range, overall I think they were hit the hardest out of all the Northeastern ski areas. I don't think anywhere saw over 50" for the entire season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherMA Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Down to 39.5/16, looks like a minor freeze tomorrow AM, before we skyrocket to near 60F in the afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Miser Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Yikes. That's an amazing(ly pitiful) snow number from Hunter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugo Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 I think the key is in the ads ... This is technically a for profit set up now. From what I gather - and this is conjecture only based off that - Eastern was originally intended as a free site for all, powered by donations. At some point along the way, some cadre of moderator(s) and/or Admin status folks made plans to take the technology and turn it into a money maker. This P'oed the person that originally brought Eastern off the ground - it sounded like he was not included in that new vision. Money and morality part company right at conception of either, unfortunately, so this is perhaps a nice way to say the former individuals used a "5 finger discount" in using the creator's site - not just for the design, but the popular following he had amassed as "Eastern". If you log out and browse the forum as an observer, these ads pop off like christmas lights - that's ad revenue, right? I don't know... I wonder if the original Eastern is really all that bad of a place, though - seeing as you asked why?. I noticed that the culture of moderating out on the main stem is a bit untolerable, clearly biased in favor of a some and against others, and demonstrative of a-hole judemental mentality at times. There's some of that everywhere, but I don't recall it as much prior to Eastern temperaturally going down. That seems to be a new characterization of those moderating here, and... if the stuff above is right, it stands to reason. Unscrupulous attracts unscrupulous. You don't know the difference between nonprofit and for-profit, fyi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 You know it's bad when cold fronts can't even do anything this time of year. Looks like the front that comes through early next week could be rather dry...just not that much moisture associated with it with all the highest RH values up to our north along with the strongest lift. Obviously time for this to change but just what we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 You don't know the difference between nonprofit and for-profit, fyi. When we want your opinion we'll pull your chain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 not a bad low thanks guys...your loss was my gain lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying MXZ Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Most of the Catskill ski areas saw totals in that range, overall I think they were hit the hardest out of all the Northeastern ski areas. I don't think anywhere saw over 50" for the entire season. Ski Plattekill reported 95", although I think they measure in centimeters and report in inches. I had 39" not to far from them (but at a lower elevation). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 26F/20 Not bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 not a bad low thanks guys...your loss was my gain lol. Holy crap. TXKF 031013Z 32028G57KT 1600 +SHRAGS SCT026 BKN045 OVC065 11/08 Q1003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted April 3, 2012 Author Share Posted April 3, 2012 Dry begets dry...days and days of sun, wind and 60's..low 70's on the weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Holy crap. TXKF 031013Z 32028G57KT 1600 +SHRAGS SCT026 BKN045 OVC065 11/08 Q1003 yeah that was a hell of a squall...it was like 28 kt gst 38 kt before the heavier graupel shower lol. They're small Cbs but not quite enough to generate lightning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 yeah that was a hell of a squall...it was like 28 kt gst 38 kt before the heavier graupel shower lol. They're small Cbs but not quite enough to generate lightning. Glad someone has interesting wx. You had the gust >50kts too last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Glad someone has interesting wx. You had the gust >50kts too last week. I give the UK credit on this one...it made this low a hell of a bomb before anyone else did which ended up being correct...it just had way too strong of a primary low over the midwest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Yeah it doesn't look all that bad from a set up standpoint. Would be nice if this winter at least ended on an interesting note, but we all know better than to expect something worthwhile...lol. I hope the newbies (particularly across ern areas) take this winter as a reality check. This is why you cherish and hold those winters that blessed us with 50"+. Many of them may have been too young to remember much before '92-'93. LOL. Also, this is the first sign of advanced aging. As soon as you start talking ike this the salad days are over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted April 3, 2012 Share Posted April 3, 2012 Dry begets dry...days and days of sun, wind and 60's..low 70's on the weekend Please stop. It's way too early for this. There will be no 70 degree temps except for the tarmac at BDL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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