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I think JB has posted that JMA like 5 times since its cold winter forecast came out last week. I want it to verify as much as the next guy, but no doubt it will have to be a major reversal from where we're at now.

and the JMA was warm all last year for this past winter and good ol JB chose to ignore it...now he's embracing it b/c it's cold? :weenie:

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Go Islanders!!!

...because it's the cup...

It seems rather hard to believe that 29 years have passed since they last drank from the Cup. I feel considerable sorrow for those who were not alive to experience the NHL in the late 1970's through the early 90's. Never was hockey better.

The NHL was at its best from the end of the last Canadiens dynasty / absorption of the WHA, i.e. circa 1979 until about 1994. I'd say the game peaked in 1985 with Edmonton taking their second Cup and most teams scoring over 300 goals during the season.

The first warning sign that things were headed the wrong way was when a Jean Perron coached bunch of defensive forwards whose offense consisted of Mats Naslund earned a fluke Cup in '86 because an Oilers defenseman famously put the puck in his own net in a game 7 quarterfinal against the Flames.

Next season, teams started to copy the Habs, though Edmonton ultimately prevailed over Philly in the Final. The trade of Coffey, and then Gretzky, (due to financial constraints) dissolved the most entertaining (and possibly greatest) team of all time. Hockey was still good, though the focus was now on Lemieux in Pittsburgh as the Pens earned two Cups in the early 90's. However new teams were being added to the fold as dreaded expansion slowly began to dilute the available talent pool. The Rangers took the Cup in '94, playing reasonably entertaining but disciplined hockey under Keenan, a Bowman disciple. But when New Jersey took the trophy in '95 with a good team that played dump and chase and the trap, the beginning of the end was upon us. The fact that there are some teams out there today that cannot average 2.5 goals per game tells you all you need to know about a once great sport that has devolved into something far less than what it once was...

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It seems rather hard to believe that 29 years have passed since they last drank from the Cup. I feel considerable sorrow for those who were not alive to experience the NHL in the late 1970's through the early 90's. Never was hockey better.

The NHL was at its best from the end of the last Canadiens dynasty / absorption of the WHA, i.e. circa 1979 until about 1994. I'd say the game peaked in 1985 with Edmonton taking their second Cup and most teams scoring over 300 goals during the season.

The first warning sign that things were headed the wrong way was when a Jean Perron coached bunch of defensive forwards whose offense consisted of Mats Naslund earned a fluke Cup in '86 because an Oilers defenseman famously put the puck in his own net in a game 7 quarterfinal against the Flames.

Next season, teams started to copy the Habs, though Edmonton ultimately prevailed over Philly in the Final. The trade of Coffey, and then Gretzky, (due to financial constraints) dissolved the most entertaining (and possibly greatest) team of all time. Hockey was still good, though the focus was now on Lemieux in Pittsburgh as the Pens earned two Cups in the early 90's. However new teams were being added to the fold as dreaded expansion slowly began to dilute the available talent pool. The Rangers took the Cup in '94, playing reasonably entertaining but disciplined hockey under Keenan, a Bowman disciple. But when New Jersey took the trophy in '95 with a good team that played dump and chase and the trap, the beginning of the end was upon us. The fact that there are some teams out there today that cannot average 2.5 goals per game tells you all you need to know about a once great sport that has devolved into something far less than what it once was...

Pretty much agree.

I blame Gary Bettman for why hockey has gotten to the way it is now. Taking Canadien teams and moving them to places like the Deep South was stupid.

I wish they would get rid of the Instigator rule. Like hckyplayer8 said on the sports subforum It has done more harm than good for the NHL because it allows players like many who are currently on the Sh!tsburgh Penguins get away with cheap shots because it won't allow enforcers make the cheap shot players pay for their actions, and because of that they would be much less inclined to do it in the first place.

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Pretty much agree.

I blame Gary Bettman for why hockey has gotten to the way it is now. Taking Canadien teams and moving them to places like the Deep South was stupid.

I wish they would get rid of the Instigator rule. Like hckyplayer8 said on the sports subforum It has done more harm than good for the NHL because it allows players like many who are currently on the Sh!tsburgh Penguins get away with cheap shots because it won't allow enforcers make the cheap shot players pay for their actions, and because of that they would be much less inclined to do it in the first place.

Been a big islanders fan for 37 years now... shame what wang and snow have done to this team. Agree with you about the instigator rule... man do I miss old time hockey. Now every time someone falls down you hear the idiot announcers talk about a possibe suspension.
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It seems rather hard to believe that 29 years have passed since they last drank from the Cup. I feel considerable sorrow for those who were not alive to experience the NHL in the late 1970's through the early 90's. Never was hockey better.

The NHL was at its best from the end of the last Canadiens dynasty / absorption of the WHA, i.e. circa 1979 until about 1994. I'd say the game peaked in 1985 with Edmonton taking their second Cup and most teams scoring over 300 goals during the season.

The first warning sign that things were headed the wrong way was when a Jean Perron coached bunch of defensive forwards whose offense consisted of Mats Naslund earned a fluke Cup in '86 because an Oilers defenseman famously put the puck in his own net in a game 7 quarterfinal against the Flames.

Next season, teams started to copy the Habs, though Edmonton ultimately prevailed over Philly in the Final. The trade of Coffey, and then Gretzky, (due to financial constraints) dissolved the most entertaining (and possibly greatest) team of all time. Hockey was still good, though the focus was now on Lemieux in Pittsburgh as the Pens earned two Cups in the early 90's. However new teams were being added to the fold as dreaded expansion slowly began to dilute the available talent pool. The Rangers took the Cup in '94, playing reasonably entertaining but disciplined hockey under Keenan, a Bowman disciple. But when New Jersey took the trophy in '95 with a good team that played dump and chase and the trap, the beginning of the end was upon us. The fact that there are some teams out there today that cannot average 2.5 goals per game tells you all you need to know about a once great sport that has devolved into something far less than what it once was...

Couldn't agree more. First time I ever saw that deplorable neutral zone trap was with the Swedish hockey team, during the 88 winter Olympics and I remember thinking to myself how much more enjoyable North American or Soviet hockey teams were to watch. Luckily my hockey years were as an Islander fan from my first game in 1978 at 7 years old to the heart of the hockey era in the early to mid 80s. I don't know how you beat the trap--I'd love to have seen if the Oilers at their best, Islanders of early 80s, or even the Central Red Army team could handle it.

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Hi guys, I've been a lurker for forever. I'm wondering if the winds with this storm will be strong enough that I should move in my balcony flower pots? Balcony's on the top floor, so the winds can be strong. I've just planted a bunch of fairly new plants and I don't want them getting battered by winds, but moving them inside my small apartment is a big production. Any opinions?

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Thinking this should be posted in the banter thread.

ECMWF Text forecast for KTTN.

TUE 12Z 24-APR 6.3 -4.1 1000 63 76 0.00 533 532

TUE 18Z 24-APR 14.8 1.6 1000 26 100 0.00 538 538

WED 00Z 25-APR 9.7 0.7 1003 49 84 0.00 538 536

WED 06Z 25-APR 4.6 0.3 1006 71 67 0.00 538 533

WED 12Z 25-APR 8.0 0.3 1009 59 89 0.00 540 533

WED 18Z 25-APR 14.9 0.6 1009 33 84 0.01 543 536

THU 00Z 26-APR 9.8 1.4 1011 56 42 0.00 549 540

THU 06Z 26-APR 4.2 2.6 1014 69 8 0.00 556 545

THU 12Z 26-APR 9.2 3.2 1013 64 85 0.00 559 549

THU 18Z 26-APR 11.2 5.6 1006 93 93 0.12 560 555

FRI 00Z 27-APR 11.7 7.4 1004 97 46 0.08 558 555

FRI 06Z 27-APR 10.5 4.8 1006 94 40 0.00 556 551

FRI 12Z 27-APR 7.1 0.1 1011 76 15 0.00 552 543

FRI 18Z 27-APR 13.9 -1.3 1012 38 14 0.00 555 545

SAT 00Z 28-APR 9.9 -1.1 1015 48 2 0.00 559 547

SAT 06Z 28-APR 4.9 -1.7 1017 62 2 0.00 561 546

SAT 12Z 28-APR 5.6 -1.8 1021 53 1 0.00 562 545

SAT 18Z 28-APR 11.4 -1.4 1018 36 27 0.00 562 547

SUN 00Z 29-APR 8.3 -0.7 1019 57 79 0.03 563 547

SUN 06Z 29-APR 6.0 -1.5 1019 71 90 0.03 562 546

SUN 12Z 29-APR 5.3 -2.5 1020 70 100 0.04 561 545

SUN 18Z 29-APR 2.5 -3.7 1021 95 86 0.29 558 542

MON 00Z 30-APR 3.8 -3.6 1021 89 50 0.04 551 535

MON 06Z 30-APR 3.1 -5.3 1021 65 69 0.00 544 527

MON 12Z 30-APR 3.7 -6.2 1023 64 72 0.00 544 525

MON 18Z 30-APR 10.1 -4.7 1021 45 73 0.02 543 526

TUE 00Z 01-MAY 7.3 -2.6 1020 56 78 0.01 547 530

TUE 06Z 01-MAY 3.6 -3.4 1021 59 18 0.00 551 534

TUE 12Z 01-MAY 6.4 -2.8 1020 53 6 0.00 555 539

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can you post the text output for KNYC?

Sure, here's NYC.

TUE 12Z 24-APR 6.4 -4.6 999 68 64 0.00 532 533

TUE 18Z 24-APR 13.9 1.1 1000 32 100 0.01 538 538

WED 00Z 25-APR 11.0 1.1 1002 53 87 0.00 538 537

WED 06Z 25-APR 7.1 -0.4 1006 65 63 0.00 538 533

WED 12Z 25-APR 8.2 0.0 1008 60 78 0.00 539 533

WED 18Z 25-APR 14.1 0.4 1008 37 95 0.00 542 535

THU 00Z 26-APR 10.8 -0.2 1010 51 55 0.00 546 537

THU 06Z 26-APR 7.0 1.4 1014 62 8 0.00 554 542

THU 12Z 26-APR 9.3 3.1 1013 63 29 0.00 558 547

THU 18Z 26-APR 10.4 3.1 1008 91 100 0.11 559 552

FRI 00Z 27-APR 10.6 6.5 1003 97 57 0.16 557 554

FRI 06Z 27-APR 10.3 4.9 1004 94 61 0.00 554 550

FRI 12Z 27-APR 7.4 -1.3 1009 73 15 0.00 548 541

FRI 18Z 27-APR 12.7 -2.0 1011 42 23 0.00 550 541

SAT 00Z 28-APR 9.7 -2.3 1014 51 6 0.00 555 543

SAT 06Z 28-APR 5.6 -3.6 1017 61 2 0.00 557 543

SAT 12Z 28-APR 5.4 -2.9 1020 52 2 0.00 559 543

SAT 18Z 28-APR 12.0 -2.7 1017 36 2 0.00 560 545

SUN 00Z 29-APR 9.9 -1.4 1018 59 45 0.00 560 546

SUN 06Z 29-APR 7.5 -2.1 1019 59 55 0.00 560 544

SUN 12Z 29-APR 6.5 -3.3 1020 50 85 0.01 559 543

SUN 18Z 29-APR 3.5 -4.1 1021 92 77 0.19 557 540

MON 00Z 30-APR 4.7 -3.9 1020 83 59 0.03 551 535

MON 06Z 30-APR 5.4 -5.2 1020 65 99 0.00 543 527

MON 12Z 30-APR 4.8 -6.1 1022 61 70 0.00 541 524

MON 18Z 30-APR 10.1 -4.8 1020 43 66 0.01 541 525

TUE 00Z 01-MAY 9.1 -3.1 1020 55 73 0.01 544 528

TUE 06Z 01-MAY 6.0 -3.3 1019 60 48 0.00 547 532

TUE 12Z 01-MAY 7.0 -3.6 1018 54 7 0.00 552 537

Looks like it's a bit warmer than Central New Jersey.

It's 38 degrees at the surface when it's precipitating the hardest, compared to 36 degrees in TTN.

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The last time a snow event was this close to the area, March 31, the models overestimated the southern extent of the cold air and the amount of QPF associated with the storm, especially the NAM which tried to show a moderate snow event for northern NJ. With the strong low in SE Canada there's not much room for this to track to the north unless it closes off like the ECM shows, although especially with how this pattern tends to screw snow potentials for NYC even in cooler patterns like this one and the late March-early April one, I'd favor a somewhat warmer and/or slightly further north outcome with a chilly rain for the area but with perhaps some snow in the interior Northeast, as opposed to a snow event very close to NYC, although that option can't be ruled out.

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I will be happy if I see a couple of flakes :weenie:

You wont see any. The storm for Sunday is not on the models anymore, the way it was. 0z euro ensembles barely have anything now.

The next meaningful storm is tomorrow with .50"-.75" of rain.

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