Brian5671 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Drought buster baby--it had to happen at some point, but wow-what a dry Jan-April 20th...less than 50% of normal and in some cases, closer to 25% of normal for that period...question now is does this change the pattern or do we resume the drought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 I think JB has posted that JMA like 5 times since its cold winter forecast came out last week. I want it to verify as much as the next guy, but no doubt it will have to be a major reversal from where we're at now. and the JMA was warm all last year for this past winter and good ol JB chose to ignore it...now he's embracing it b/c it's cold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 and the JMA was warm all last year for this past winter and good ol JB chose to ignore it...now he's embracing it b/c it's cold? Jb made a good call for this storm...first one all year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 The dryness and lack of storms over the past 7 months will cause this storm to evaporate into nothing by Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analog96 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 I hope you know me and sundog are making fun of the people that keep saying it wont rain. i Know and I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pamela Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Go Islanders!!! ...because it's the cup... It seems rather hard to believe that 29 years have passed since they last drank from the Cup. I feel considerable sorrow for those who were not alive to experience the NHL in the late 1970's through the early 90's. Never was hockey better. The NHL was at its best from the end of the last Canadiens dynasty / absorption of the WHA, i.e. circa 1979 until about 1994. I'd say the game peaked in 1985 with Edmonton taking their second Cup and most teams scoring over 300 goals during the season. The first warning sign that things were headed the wrong way was when a Jean Perron coached bunch of defensive forwards whose offense consisted of Mats Naslund earned a fluke Cup in '86 because an Oilers defenseman famously put the puck in his own net in a game 7 quarterfinal against the Flames. Next season, teams started to copy the Habs, though Edmonton ultimately prevailed over Philly in the Final. The trade of Coffey, and then Gretzky, (due to financial constraints) dissolved the most entertaining (and possibly greatest) team of all time. Hockey was still good, though the focus was now on Lemieux in Pittsburgh as the Pens earned two Cups in the early 90's. However new teams were being added to the fold as dreaded expansion slowly began to dilute the available talent pool. The Rangers took the Cup in '94, playing reasonably entertaining but disciplined hockey under Keenan, a Bowman disciple. But when New Jersey took the trophy in '95 with a good team that played dump and chase and the trap, the beginning of the end was upon us. The fact that there are some teams out there today that cannot average 2.5 goals per game tells you all you need to know about a once great sport that has devolved into something far less than what it once was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowlover76 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 It seems rather hard to believe that 29 years have passed since they last drank from the Cup. I feel considerable sorrow for those who were not alive to experience the NHL in the late 1970's through the early 90's. Never was hockey better. The NHL was at its best from the end of the last Canadiens dynasty / absorption of the WHA, i.e. circa 1979 until about 1994. I'd say the game peaked in 1985 with Edmonton taking their second Cup and most teams scoring over 300 goals during the season. The first warning sign that things were headed the wrong way was when a Jean Perron coached bunch of defensive forwards whose offense consisted of Mats Naslund earned a fluke Cup in '86 because an Oilers defenseman famously put the puck in his own net in a game 7 quarterfinal against the Flames. Next season, teams started to copy the Habs, though Edmonton ultimately prevailed over Philly in the Final. The trade of Coffey, and then Gretzky, (due to financial constraints) dissolved the most entertaining (and possibly greatest) team of all time. Hockey was still good, though the focus was now on Lemieux in Pittsburgh as the Pens earned two Cups in the early 90's. However new teams were being added to the fold as dreaded expansion slowly began to dilute the available talent pool. The Rangers took the Cup in '94, playing reasonably entertaining but disciplined hockey under Keenan, a Bowman disciple. But when New Jersey took the trophy in '95 with a good team that played dump and chase and the trap, the beginning of the end was upon us. The fact that there are some teams out there today that cannot average 2.5 goals per game tells you all you need to know about a once great sport that has devolved into something far less than what it once was... Pretty much agree. I blame Gary Bettman for why hockey has gotten to the way it is now. Taking Canadien teams and moving them to places like the Deep South was stupid. I wish they would get rid of the Instigator rule. Like hckyplayer8 said on the sports subforum It has done more harm than good for the NHL because it allows players like many who are currently on the Sh!tsburgh Penguins get away with cheap shots because it won't allow enforcers make the cheap shot players pay for their actions, and because of that they would be much less inclined to do it in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cold&cloudy Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Beautiful evening. Had a quick passing shower, otherwise it's cloudy and cool with a nice breeze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowlover76 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Beautiful evening. Had a quick passing shower, otherwise it's cloudy and cool with a nice breeze. Look west into PA, more are slowly approaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doncat Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Pretty much agree. I blame Gary Bettman for why hockey has gotten to the way it is now. Taking Canadien teams and moving them to places like the Deep South was stupid. I wish they would get rid of the Instigator rule. Like hckyplayer8 said on the sports subforum It has done more harm than good for the NHL because it allows players like many who are currently on the Sh!tsburgh Penguins get away with cheap shots because it won't allow enforcers make the cheap shot players pay for their actions, and because of that they would be much less inclined to do it in the first place. Been a big islanders fan for 37 years now... shame what wang and snow have done to this team. Agree with you about the instigator rule... man do I miss old time hockey. Now every time someone falls down you hear the idiot announcers talk about a possibe suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycsnow Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Dep was here today, setting up no parking signs cones etc major sewer project on my block with new pipes etc. what a coincidence the day starter it rains lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkviking Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 It seems rather hard to believe that 29 years have passed since they last drank from the Cup. I feel considerable sorrow for those who were not alive to experience the NHL in the late 1970's through the early 90's. Never was hockey better. The NHL was at its best from the end of the last Canadiens dynasty / absorption of the WHA, i.e. circa 1979 until about 1994. I'd say the game peaked in 1985 with Edmonton taking their second Cup and most teams scoring over 300 goals during the season. The first warning sign that things were headed the wrong way was when a Jean Perron coached bunch of defensive forwards whose offense consisted of Mats Naslund earned a fluke Cup in '86 because an Oilers defenseman famously put the puck in his own net in a game 7 quarterfinal against the Flames. Next season, teams started to copy the Habs, though Edmonton ultimately prevailed over Philly in the Final. The trade of Coffey, and then Gretzky, (due to financial constraints) dissolved the most entertaining (and possibly greatest) team of all time. Hockey was still good, though the focus was now on Lemieux in Pittsburgh as the Pens earned two Cups in the early 90's. However new teams were being added to the fold as dreaded expansion slowly began to dilute the available talent pool. The Rangers took the Cup in '94, playing reasonably entertaining but disciplined hockey under Keenan, a Bowman disciple. But when New Jersey took the trophy in '95 with a good team that played dump and chase and the trap, the beginning of the end was upon us. The fact that there are some teams out there today that cannot average 2.5 goals per game tells you all you need to know about a once great sport that has devolved into something far less than what it once was... Couldn't agree more. First time I ever saw that deplorable neutral zone trap was with the Swedish hockey team, during the 88 winter Olympics and I remember thinking to myself how much more enjoyable North American or Soviet hockey teams were to watch. Luckily my hockey years were as an Islander fan from my first game in 1978 at 7 years old to the heart of the hockey era in the early to mid 80s. I don't know how you beat the trap--I'd love to have seen if the Oilers at their best, Islanders of early 80s, or even the Central Red Army team could handle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M. Barry Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Hi guys, I've been a lurker for forever. I'm wondering if the winds with this storm will be strong enough that I should move in my balcony flower pots? Balcony's on the top floor, so the winds can be strong. I've just planted a bunch of fairly new plants and I don't want them getting battered by winds, but moving them inside my small apartment is a big production. Any opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow_Miser Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Thinking this should be posted in the banter thread. ECMWF Text forecast for KTTN. TUE 12Z 24-APR 6.3 -4.1 1000 63 76 0.00 533 532 TUE 18Z 24-APR 14.8 1.6 1000 26 100 0.00 538 538 WED 00Z 25-APR 9.7 0.7 1003 49 84 0.00 538 536 WED 06Z 25-APR 4.6 0.3 1006 71 67 0.00 538 533 WED 12Z 25-APR 8.0 0.3 1009 59 89 0.00 540 533 WED 18Z 25-APR 14.9 0.6 1009 33 84 0.01 543 536 THU 00Z 26-APR 9.8 1.4 1011 56 42 0.00 549 540 THU 06Z 26-APR 4.2 2.6 1014 69 8 0.00 556 545 THU 12Z 26-APR 9.2 3.2 1013 64 85 0.00 559 549 THU 18Z 26-APR 11.2 5.6 1006 93 93 0.12 560 555 FRI 00Z 27-APR 11.7 7.4 1004 97 46 0.08 558 555 FRI 06Z 27-APR 10.5 4.8 1006 94 40 0.00 556 551 FRI 12Z 27-APR 7.1 0.1 1011 76 15 0.00 552 543 FRI 18Z 27-APR 13.9 -1.3 1012 38 14 0.00 555 545 SAT 00Z 28-APR 9.9 -1.1 1015 48 2 0.00 559 547 SAT 06Z 28-APR 4.9 -1.7 1017 62 2 0.00 561 546 SAT 12Z 28-APR 5.6 -1.8 1021 53 1 0.00 562 545 SAT 18Z 28-APR 11.4 -1.4 1018 36 27 0.00 562 547 SUN 00Z 29-APR 8.3 -0.7 1019 57 79 0.03 563 547 SUN 06Z 29-APR 6.0 -1.5 1019 71 90 0.03 562 546 SUN 12Z 29-APR 5.3 -2.5 1020 70 100 0.04 561 545 SUN 18Z 29-APR 2.5 -3.7 1021 95 86 0.29 558 542 MON 00Z 30-APR 3.8 -3.6 1021 89 50 0.04 551 535 MON 06Z 30-APR 3.1 -5.3 1021 65 69 0.00 544 527 MON 12Z 30-APR 3.7 -6.2 1023 64 72 0.00 544 525 MON 18Z 30-APR 10.1 -4.7 1021 45 73 0.02 543 526 TUE 00Z 01-MAY 7.3 -2.6 1020 56 78 0.01 547 530 TUE 06Z 01-MAY 3.6 -3.4 1021 59 18 0.00 551 534 TUE 12Z 01-MAY 6.4 -2.8 1020 53 6 0.00 555 539 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow_Miser Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 From my amateur eye, this looks close. For Central New Jersey at 126 hours from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolai Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 can you post the text output for KNYC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaner587 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 From my amateur eye, this looks close. For Central New Jersey at 126 hours from now. Ya it does. Doubt it actually happens but it'd be cool to see snow flying in the air. It obviously wouldn't be accumulating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow_Miser Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 can you post the text output for KNYC? Sure, here's NYC. TUE 12Z 24-APR 6.4 -4.6 999 68 64 0.00 532 533 TUE 18Z 24-APR 13.9 1.1 1000 32 100 0.01 538 538 WED 00Z 25-APR 11.0 1.1 1002 53 87 0.00 538 537 WED 06Z 25-APR 7.1 -0.4 1006 65 63 0.00 538 533 WED 12Z 25-APR 8.2 0.0 1008 60 78 0.00 539 533 WED 18Z 25-APR 14.1 0.4 1008 37 95 0.00 542 535 THU 00Z 26-APR 10.8 -0.2 1010 51 55 0.00 546 537 THU 06Z 26-APR 7.0 1.4 1014 62 8 0.00 554 542 THU 12Z 26-APR 9.3 3.1 1013 63 29 0.00 558 547 THU 18Z 26-APR 10.4 3.1 1008 91 100 0.11 559 552 FRI 00Z 27-APR 10.6 6.5 1003 97 57 0.16 557 554 FRI 06Z 27-APR 10.3 4.9 1004 94 61 0.00 554 550 FRI 12Z 27-APR 7.4 -1.3 1009 73 15 0.00 548 541 FRI 18Z 27-APR 12.7 -2.0 1011 42 23 0.00 550 541 SAT 00Z 28-APR 9.7 -2.3 1014 51 6 0.00 555 543 SAT 06Z 28-APR 5.6 -3.6 1017 61 2 0.00 557 543 SAT 12Z 28-APR 5.4 -2.9 1020 52 2 0.00 559 543 SAT 18Z 28-APR 12.0 -2.7 1017 36 2 0.00 560 545 SUN 00Z 29-APR 9.9 -1.4 1018 59 45 0.00 560 546 SUN 06Z 29-APR 7.5 -2.1 1019 59 55 0.00 560 544 SUN 12Z 29-APR 6.5 -3.3 1020 50 85 0.01 559 543 SUN 18Z 29-APR 3.5 -4.1 1021 92 77 0.19 557 540 MON 00Z 30-APR 4.7 -3.9 1020 83 59 0.03 551 535 MON 06Z 30-APR 5.4 -5.2 1020 65 99 0.00 543 527 MON 12Z 30-APR 4.8 -6.1 1022 61 70 0.00 541 524 MON 18Z 30-APR 10.1 -4.8 1020 43 66 0.01 541 525 TUE 00Z 01-MAY 9.1 -3.1 1020 55 73 0.01 544 528 TUE 06Z 01-MAY 6.0 -3.3 1019 60 48 0.00 547 532 TUE 12Z 01-MAY 7.0 -3.6 1018 54 7 0.00 552 537 Looks like it's a bit warmer than Central New Jersey. It's 38 degrees at the surface when it's precipitating the hardest, compared to 36 degrees in TTN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Euro ensemble not as bullish with the weekend. Has a weak swfe with no real signs of a redeveloping coastal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow_Miser Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 Euro ensemble not as bullish with the weekend. Has a weak swfe with no real signs of a redeveloping coastal. The 00z ECMWF ENS didn't seem quite as bullish either. Could be because there's a large spread in the mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCSuburbs Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 The last time a snow event was this close to the area, March 31, the models overestimated the southern extent of the cold air and the amount of QPF associated with the storm, especially the NAM which tried to show a moderate snow event for northern NJ. With the strong low in SE Canada there's not much room for this to track to the north unless it closes off like the ECM shows, although especially with how this pattern tends to screw snow potentials for NYC even in cooler patterns like this one and the late March-early April one, I'd favor a somewhat warmer and/or slightly further north outcome with a chilly rain for the area but with perhaps some snow in the interior Northeast, as opposed to a snow event very close to NYC, although that option can't be ruled out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow_Miser Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 18z GFS is supressed to the south. 18z DGEX shows a cold rain in the 30s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analog96 Posted April 24, 2012 Share Posted April 24, 2012 18z GFS is supressed to the south. 18z DGEX shows a cold rain in the 30s. I have a feeling the GFS is doing what it always does at this range, the same as it did with the last storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 Imagine if we do get snow? LOL euro snow map shows some snow for the area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolai Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 It's sadly the 84hr NAM but extrapolating from the last frame would actually be a very nice hit for NYC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthlight Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 This time of year, you need an unusually displaced arctic airmass or a very strong storm system to even think about getting snow to the coastal plain or anywhere not ridiculously elevated. This type of set up will not cut it. http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/ETANE9_0z/f84.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwarlock Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 thank you for this post, brings this place back to reality, it was starting to turn into a real weenie roast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 This time of year, you need an unusually displaced arctic airmass or a very strong storm system to even think about getting snow to the coastal plain or anywhere not ridiculously elevated. This type of set up will not cut it. http://www.meteo.psu...ANE9_0z/f84.gif I will be happy if I see a couple of flakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag3 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 I will be happy if I see a couple of flakes You wont see any. The storm for Sunday is not on the models anymore, the way it was. 0z euro ensembles barely have anything now. The next meaningful storm is tomorrow with .50"-.75" of rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted April 25, 2012 Share Posted April 25, 2012 You wont see any. The storm for Sunday is not on the models anymore, the way it was. 0z euro ensembles barely have anything now. The next meaningful storm is tomorrow with .50"-.75" of rain. I hope it doesn't rain. Hope it holds off until Friday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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