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Severe Potential Thursday 3/29/2012


Jim Martin

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Looks like a marginal setup characterized by high CAPE, decent directional shear (at least E of that sounding location), and poor deep-layer shear magnitudes -- in other words, something you'd see day-to-day in late May or June. Could certainly get a surprise or two out of it. Tomorrow also looks similarly interesting across northern KS, with a boundary in play.

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Looks like a marginal setup characterized by high CAPE, decent directional shear (at least E of that sounding location), and poor deep-layer shear magnitudes -- in other words, something you'd see day-to-day in late May or June. Could certainly get a surprise or two out of it. Tomorrow also looks similarly interesting across northern KS, with a boundary in play.

00z NAM actually has some rather impressive deep shear magnitudes (40-60 kts) roughly in East Central/NE KS, West Central/NW MO, SW IA and SE NE on Thursday, especially considering the amount of instability present in the sounding Jim posted.

Here's a dandy of a sounding at Kansas City 00z Thursday evening, more than 90 degrees of turning between the sfc and H5:

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Weak mid-levels on Wednesday will likely limit any tornado threat and make many of the storms high precipitation. Thursday looks to have some directional shear issues. Honestly, I'm more interested in some potential caprock supercells on Thursday and Friday. Again, no tornado threat but I'm always up for some Caprock supercells.

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DAY 2 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK

NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK

1259 AM CDT WED MAR 28 2012

VALID 291200Z - 301200Z

...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS MID AND LOWER MO VALLEY AND

VICINITY...

...SYNOPSIS...

AS A SHORT-WAVE TROUGH MOVES OFF THE NORTHEAST U.S. COAST AND THE

MAIN NERN PACIFIC TROUGH REMAINS OVER THE GULF OF AK...DEAMPLIFYING

FLOW FIELD ALOFT IS FORECAST ACROSS THE U.S. -- WITH THE SHORT-WAVE

TROUGH EXITING THE ROCKIES ACTING TO FLATTEN THE PERSISTENT CENTRAL

U.S. RIDGE.

AT THE SURFACE...A WEAK LOW DEVELOPING INVOF THE MID MO VALLEY WILL

BE THE PRIMARY FEATURE ASSOCIATED WITH MORE ROBUST CONVECTIVE

ACTIVITY THIS PERIOD.

...MID AND LOWER MO VALLEY AND VICINITY...

AREAS OF SCATTERED TO ISOLATED SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS MAY BE

ONGOING AT THE START OF THE PERIOD...WITHIN TWO ZONES OF WARM

ADVECTION -- ONE INTO ERN KS/WRN MO NEAR THE NOSE OF A SWLY BRANCH

OF THE LOW-LEVEL JET...AND ONE OVER THE ERN DAKOTAS REGION IN

CONJUNCTION WITH A SECOND/MORE SLY BRANCH OF THE JET.

AS LARGE-SCALE RIDGING IS SUPPRESSED BY A SHORT-WAVE TROUGH

APPROACHING FROM THE WEST AND WITH DIURNAL HEATING ASSISTING IN

AFTERNOON DESTABILIZATION...NEW STORM DEVELOPMENT IS EXPECTED TO

OCCUR -- LIKELY FOCUSED NEAR A WEAK SURFACE LOW PROGGED TO RESIDE

INVOF THE MID MO VALLEY. WITH TIME...EWD PROGRESS OF THE UPPER

SYSTEM WILL RESULT IN A STEADY EWD/SEWD SHIFT OF THE

CONVECTION...WHICH IS EXPECTED TO SPREAD ACROSS MO AND EVENTUALLY

INTO WRN MO.

WITH AMPLY STRONG/VEERING FLOW WITH HEIGHT ACROSS THIS REGION

SUPPORTING UPDRAFT ORGANIZATION...A FEW SUPERCELLS WILL LIKELY

EVOLVE DURING THE AFTERNOON WITH HAIL AND LOCALLY DAMAGING WINDS THE

MAIN THREATS. OVERNIGHT...STORMS MAY CONGEAL INTO AN MCS --

POSSIBLY ACCOMPANIED BY DAMAGING WIND POTENTIAL AS THE SYSTEM

CROSSES THE MO AND LATER THE MID MS VALLEY.

..GOSS.. 03/28/2012

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Here is the 06z NAM sounding for Topeka KS valid Thursday evening at 7pm cdt. Parameters are still up there. There is still some turning of the wind.

Now that's impressive. Much more backing of low-level flow, leading to a near-classic hodograph shape. Hard to ignore >250 m^2 s^-2 of 0-1 km SRH in the presence of high CAPE. The only limiting factor on that forecast sounding is weak storm-relative flow upstairs, but I'd still expect a decent tornado threat if the environment depicted there verifies.

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this was from the 0z 4km WRF

This is for later tonight though right?

I was just posting in the 26-28th thread about this area. I just modified the 12z TOP sounding based off their forecast high around Salina and dewpoints in the low 60s. It's a pretty classic loaded gun, and over 3000 J/kg CAPE. Nice and fat in the hail growth zone too.

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Posted this in the other severe thread...

Not sure if this is the best place for it (the date is right but the region is a little off in the title), so feel free to move this to the 3/29 thread if you think that is more appropriate.

Subtle disturbance is lifting north across Kansas right now. If you loop a visible satellite you can even see the cyclonic rotation of the low level clouds as they drift north.

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Decent environment is setting up along I-70, as heating and moistening of the boundary layer takes place. This disturbance lifting north should only serve to enhance the convergence to its N/NE, right in the Salina vicinity. Very steep mid level lapse rates could produce some monster hail, but low level parameters are such that a tornado or two is entirely possible.

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Some cells southwest of Topeka are approaching severe thresholds aloft, however dual-pol data showing that there is significant melting occurring below the freezing level. Very high ZDR values suggest a rain/hail mix, or more likely wet hail. Plus, KDP values are extreme, and this commonly happens with wet hail.

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Some cells southwest of Topeka are approaching severe thresholds aloft, however dual-pol data showing that there is significant melting occurring below the freezing level. Very high ZDR values suggest a rain/hail mix, or more likely wet hail. Plus, KDP values are extreme, and this commonly happens with wet hail.

Very strong mid-level couplet.

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This is for later tonight though right?

I was just posting in the 26-28th thread about this area. I just modified the 12z TOP sounding based off their forecast high around Salina and dewpoints in the low 60s. It's a pretty classic loaded gun, and over 3000 J/kg CAPE. Nice and fat in the hail growth zone too.

correct.

svr warning out now for sw of TOP.

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I would imagine it is quite scary in Harveyville right about now.

Does not even have to be a particularly intense storm either.

Quite the opposite, that cell has another impressive ZDR column (strong updraft), and that is just now starting to manifest in hail reaching the ground. This is not of the "wet" variety either, ZDR values are near zero so this is mostly just hail east of I-335. Probably getting upwards of significant hail size too.

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This is what I was just referring to about this supercell...

Both are showing mid level cyclonic rotation, so the northwestern cell is not a split of the southeastern one in all likelihood. I do believe the northwestern cell tried to throw off a left split, which did quickly weaken though.

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