Nic Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Of course the last freeze of the year has to be the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye_wx Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 There is a thicker frost here this morning, and thermometers in town suggest we went a bit below freezing, but there was no ice in the bird bath this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Same here Hawk...not seeing any frozen water in my kiddie pool (there was a good layer yesterday), but seeing a lot more frost (which has mostly melted off now)... I didn't cover my strawberries and they don't look too happy about that frost! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye_wx Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Well, I just looked outside again and the bird bath has begun to ice up. 90 minutes ago it was ice-free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyOn Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Just seen that. Lol Agree. Sparty must have is Temperature gage in the garage or next to a window or along the bricks of his home surrounded by his bushes. Temp gage fail. Negative on that placement but I will check latter EDIT: appears the device needs calibration. Problem solved as the temps have adjusted some 8 tenths to a full degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 I had ice again in the bird bath. A really thick layer of frost coated the banks of the Des Plaines River this morning. The healthy dose of frost likely did more harm... Compared to other nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 I'll be watching in the days ahead on how the apricots handled that 26F. The trees are loaded with fruit up to the size of a dime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Made it down to 30 here for the 3rd consecutive night/morning. ORD made it down to 32 once again, and MDW down to 35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Another decent freeze ( 6hrs ) last night here. Low was 28.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonger Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 So will the fruit tree damage be apparent after the blossoms fall off? Is that usually how it works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 So will the fruit tree damage be apparent after the blossoms fall off? Is that usually how it works? I believe that Is correct. Seems more damage occurred here with the heavy frost vs. A lighter coating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NW Storm Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 Oh this morning was brutal. The night before luckily we didn't go as cold but this morning with the clear skies it really didn't help the temps. It went all the way down to 25 here just outside of South Bend. Someone mentioned the chance of this occuring again next week. I don't think it will be this bad next week, but never say never right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 posted this in Apr disc meant to post here. Yet another morning with lots of 20s in outlying areas. How many hard freezes is that now? Tons of crops damaged or destroyed by now. I even notice here, greenup has stalled. When we started at this insane 4-5 week early pace, we are probably now just 2 weeks ahead. Some spots it looks more like Fall than Spring, lots of tints of red and brown in trees (especially the flowering trees have hues of brown). Meanwhile, the official low this morning was 33F at DTW but 32F at DET. Its kinda funny because if it stands, the last snow would be after the last freeze (right now last freeze April 7th, last snow April 11th). While DTW still is usually a little colder than DET, its interesting that there always are a handful of days every month when DET will come in slightly colder than DTW, whereas say 20+ years ago that would NEVER happen, DTW is in the suburbs, DET in the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 After the most intense frost of the morning, but you can see the frost holding heavy in the shade this morning on my neighbors yard and roof. This is like totally normal for April and normally wouldn't make headlines. Only this year would this be an issue. The green up has essentially stalled here. Even the grass isn't growing as much... but I think the main reason for that is no rain. I would agree with Snowfreak's post: were probably only 2 weeks ahead now because of the stall. -barely. Usually it looks like it does now around the last week of April going into May. The frost definitely affected blossoms more just by looking at the petals. Quite a bit of discolored, droopy petals this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Another morning below Freezing. 30 currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Low 34° here. Few freezing locations scattered around the area. Now we wait and see how much freeze damage has occurred over the GL's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropical Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Low 34° here. Few freezing locations scattered around the area. Now we wait and see how much freeze damage has occurred over the GL's. Hopefully that's it for freezes this spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 posted this in Apr disc meant to post here. Yet another morning with lots of 20s in outlying areas. How many hard freezes is that now? Tons of crops damaged or destroyed by now. I even notice here, greenup has stalled. When we started at this insane 4-5 week early pace, we are probably now just 2 weeks ahead. Some spots it looks more like Fall than Spring, lots of tints of red and brown in trees (especially the flowering trees have hues of brown). Meanwhile, the official low this morning was 33F at DTW but 32F at DET. Its kinda funny because if it stands, the last snow would be after the last freeze (right now last freeze April 7th, last snow April 11th). While DTW still is usually a little colder than DET, its interesting that there always are a handful of days every month when DET will come in slightly colder than DTW, whereas say 20+ years ago that would NEVER happen, DTW is in the suburbs, DET in the city. So this morning the frost was as thick as ever, the low per the Wyandotte wunderground station was 33F, yet DTW only gets down to 37F? Even DET was 34F. If this EXACT and I mean EXACT setup occurred on a mid-April morning in, say, 1975, I can guarentee DTW's low would have been 30-31F. Not to get any into climate change discussion or anything, just an observation that its quite easy to see why the temperature may have risen 0.5 of a degree in the last 100 years or so with UHI on radiating mornings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daddylonglegs Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Was out looking around and I had what was a very nice little black walnut seedling growing on the west side of the house...probably over a foot tall... now its just black and crusty...like it was burned...I still see green lower down, but tender new foliage sure doesn't handle this cold stuff too well. I also noticed some young peach shoots that got burnt on the tips. Here is some apricot damage...not widespread, but one tree really got hit. I was reading that locally the alfalfa crop could be in danger, because temps below 28F burn the tops of the plant...probably some widespread damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 So this morning the frost was as thick as ever, the low per the Wyandotte wunderground station was 33F, yet DTW only gets down to 37F? Even DET was 34F. If this EXACT and I mean EXACT setup occurred on a mid-April morning in, say, 1975, I can guarentee DTW's low would have been 30-31F. Not to get any into climate change discussion or anything, just an observation that its quite easy to see why the temperature may have risen 0.5 of a degree in the last 100 years or so with UHI on radiating mornings. Low was 30 here and most places out this way got about as cold as they did yesterday with all below freezing and a number of upper 20s. Thus a bit colder then expected as most were expected to stay just above freezing ( 33-35 ) with just some frost expected. Guessing the dry soils helped the cause along with the very calm winds. The latest Jamstec should send a few over the cliff for next fall and winter. Did someone say 76-77?? Yes it now looks very similar to 76 with near normal temps for summer and below to much below normal temps for fall and winter and a weak nino. Main difference is it is a bit wetter looking then that was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowMeHunter Posted April 13, 2012 Author Share Posted April 13, 2012 we actually got snow in the fall of 1976! 4" in oct and 3.6" in nov. Dec & Feb sucked with 5.3/5.6" Jan had a little over 15" March had 12.4" April 2.1" I'd love the two following winters, too.. 1977-78 - 80.7" 1978-79 - 82.9" Looking forward to the next 3 winters Harry's locked in for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 we actually got snow in the fall of 1976! 4" in oct and 3.6" in nov. Dec & Feb sucked with 5.3/5.6" Jan had a little over 15" March had 12.4" April 2.1" I'd love the two following winters.. 1977-78 - 80.7" 1978-79 - 82.9" Yeah 76-77 generally sucked for snow despite the epic cold. Was great for LES and snow cover though. Was a pretty dry winter for most of the country and thus the lacking snowfall for many. The precip maps give it more of a 77-78 look just shift the wetness from i95 out towards this way a bit more.. Precip Temps 77-78 precip vs 76-77 which as said was dry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Looking forward to the next 3 winters Harry's locked in for me Yeah you should do better then recent years especially if we can get a weak nino which would be good for the region as a whole with the expected +QBO west for next winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowMeHunter Posted April 13, 2012 Author Share Posted April 13, 2012 What a way to start off the weekend boys & girls. Harry Guaranteeing us all cold and shoveled snow piles as high as alek's highest chest pube gone curly crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 What a way to start off the weekend boys & girls. Harry Guaranteeing us all cold and shoveled snow piles as high as alek's highest chest pube gone curly crazy. meh.. No guarantees YET. But yeah i do like our odd's considering the players we *should* have on the field. The questionable one is the Nino ( could end up stronger or even weaker and thus neutral ) and thus why i won't jump yet. Everything right *now* is pointing towards atleast a weak nino. Have to wait and see on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 What a way to start off the weekend boys & girls. Harry Guaranteeing us all cold and shoveled snow piles as high as alek's highest chest pube gone curly crazy. Lol! This past winter was once in a lifetime experience. We only have room for improvement next winter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropical Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Lol! This past winter was once in a lifetime experience. We only have room for improvement next winter! Strong nino next winter FTW to do even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Strong nino next winter FTW to do even better. meh.. QBO for one should put up a good fight via tropical forcing ( MJO etc ) to keep us from going into a mod/strong Nino. Why i still worry ( your best hope btw for a warmer outcome ) about neutral conditions and never achieving Nino conditions. That btw would be considered a mod nino.. Not strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropical Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 meh.. QBO for one should put up a good fight via tropical forcing ( MJO etc ) to keep us from going into a mod/strong Nino. Why i still worry ( your best hope btw for a warmer outcome ) about neutral conditions and never achieving Nino conditions. That btw would be considered a mod nino.. Not strong. Yeah, I was looking at the grouping of members that go above 1.5. They have been trending upward the past several weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted April 13, 2012 Share Posted April 13, 2012 Yeah, I was looking at the grouping of members that go above 1.5. They have been trending upward the past several weeks. You want a repeat of this past winter then the best way to get that would be with neutral conditions. A strong nino wont help your cause. Neutral could ( not saying will ) cause us to be stuck in the same or similar pattern to what we had this past winter. Thus why neutral offers you your best shot at a repeat. If anything a strong nino would give us a winter like 09-10 but a bit wetter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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