ORH_wxman Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Thread for the upcoming cold shot Monday night through Wed morning....pretty contrasting cold shot fr what we have seen. This won't be epic or anything for late March, but its looking more and more likely we see a hard freeze on Monday night and probaly Tues night as well. MEX guidance still 4 days out has 21F at ORH for Tues morning and even 29F for BOS right on the water. Euro 2m temps bring 32F line down to LI sound and over to the CC Canal. Might do some damage to some plants that have prematurely flowered/budded that do not normally do that this early. 850 temps bottom out around -14C in SNE which is darn cold this time of the year. So if that holds up, then we'll see 20s just about everywhere with potential for upper teens in the usual GC/Monadnock high spots. Lack of snow cover up north though could modify it by a couple degrees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Could be one of the worst freezes we've ever had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineJayhawk Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Possibly mid-teens in my 'hood Monday and Tuesday night according to the smart peeps at GYX. Sayonara SPF 48. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 It's the freeze 4-6 weeks from now that concerns me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WXheights Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Weird as a beard! Its really insane up here in North central Vermont with some Maples actually unfurling leaves after upper 70-low 80s recrod highs. We even eeked a cooling degree day!!!. Ealry Ice out, snowless twig season and then the cold flow with mins in the 20s has got to be uspsetting the ecosystems of many slopes and ponds around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Trees are at least 7 weeks ahead of normal around here. Absolutely incredible. Hard freeze will do damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radarman Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 The plants that bloom first in New England are generally quite hardy. Whether they're ahead of schedule or not seems somewhat irrelevant considering they withstand freezes in April quite often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 The plants that bloom first in New England are generally quite hardy. Whether they're ahead of schedule or not seems somewhat irrelevant considering they withstand freezes in April quite often. There are plants blooming right now that normally don't show up until early May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radarman Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 There are plants blooming right now that normally don't show up until early May. meh. The old timers around here say never to plant tomatoes til Memorial day. Even if climo's been shifted ahead a few weeks the really sensitive stuff doesn't come out until later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxeyeNH Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 How far along are the trees in Southern New England? Lots of buds here but no leaves. Forsythia are not open. Are forsythia totally open down there? Do the Norway maples have those big green buds? Will the NWS put out freeze warnings or do they not do that because technically we are not in growing season yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Mother nature slapping us with a bout of reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 How far along are the trees in Southern New England? Lots of buds here but no leaves. Forsythia are not open. Are forsythia totally open down there? Do the Norway maples have those big green buds? Will the NWS put out freeze warnings or do they not do that because technically we are not in growing season yet? Yes to all the tree questions. Forsythia, magnolias, azaleas, crab apple/fruit trees all flowering...grass green and growing...It looks like late April Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 The plant kingdom will be just fine. I have been cringing seeing some landscapers planting certain perennials over the last two weeks, of course with the warmth the nursuries and other outlets such as home depot and lowes have been rushing the season. I have only overseeded and transplanted, so my properties are fine, we will all come out of this ok. Looking forward to the cool down, will give me a chance to catch up with mother nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 The plant kingdom will be just fine. I have been cringing seeing some landscapers planting certain perennials over the last two weeks, of course with the warmth the nursuries and other outlets such as home depot and lowes have been rushing the season. I have only overseeded and transplanted, so my properties are fine, we will all come out of this ok. Looking forward to the cool down, will give me a chance to catch up with mother nature. NBD, let's see how the cold shot looks on the models come Sunday. I will put some buckets over the flowers that did come up here too early but we have no tree issues as we didn't get as hot as others this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 NBD, let's see how the cold shot looks on the models come Sunday. I will put some buckets over the flowers that did come up here too early but we have no tree issues as we didn't get as hot as others this week. No tree issues here either except for flowering cherries and such, and they will be fine lol, mother nature has ensured those that bloom first can withstand the cold. Leaf out fail, its about light, and soil temps much deeper than 6 inches. However, its been nice to see the spring flowers early as well as some early fruit trees. Always fun to see inland locations leaft out first, as usually the case as they are much warmer than coastal locations in spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman21 Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Will the NWS put out freeze warnings or do they not do that because technically we are not in growing season yet? No frost or freeze warnings. The spring frost/freeze program has not begun for OKX, BOX, ALY, GYX, or BTV. Of course, they could do it just like when they issue an out of band snow advisory for some special circumstance (first snow of the season that doesn't meet criteria), but I'd guess they'd issue an SPS for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Sweet! not much growing to hurt but it'll feel nice to have some cold air back. Monday: Patchy fog before 7am. Otherwise, sunny and windy, with a high near 44. Monday Night: Mostly clear and blustery, with a low around 19. Tuesday: Sunny, with a high near 42. Tuesday Night: Mostly clear, with a low around 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 the plants will be fine. sensitive plants don't grow until the soil temperature is proper for them, so most are still dormant. those which sprouted will be able to take the cold. even down here, i haven't seen anything growing that would die from a few frosty nights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted March 24, 2012 Author Share Posted March 24, 2012 the plants will be fine. sensitive plants don't grow until the soil temperature is proper for them, so most are still dormant. those which sprouted will be able to take the cold. even down here, i haven't seen anything growing that would die from a few frosty nights Some of the fruit trees that started flowering 3 weeks early may have some issues...esp in lower elevations. Not much has come up here except the ground shoots and a few flowers which can handle cold. The title of the thread is more tongue in cheek in response to those who thought we'd have leaf out by April first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 the plants will be fine. sensitive plants don't grow until the soil temperature is proper for them, so most are still dormant. those which sprouted will be able to take the cold. even down here, i haven't seen anything growing that would die from a few frosty nights I could see a problem for the apple crop if any lower latitude/elevation ones have started to flower. I don't think they have around me. They had a tough season in this area last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Met1985 Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Good luck everyone with the freeze and frost. Down in my neck of the woods we are very concerned with freezing weather coming back the fist part of April. Already almost every tree is blooming out. Just crazy for this time of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdrenken Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 meh. The old timers around here say never to plant tomatoes til Memorial day. Even if climo's been shifted ahead a few weeks the really sensitive stuff doesn't come out until later. My grandfather was one of those even in Central Illinois that believed in this gardening rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 I could see a problem for the apple crop if any lower latitude/elevation ones have started to flower. I don't think they have around me. They had a tough season in this area last year I haven't really taken a look at the apple trees yet but I haven't seen too much action elsewhere. Everything that has come out is at most 2 weeks earlier than previous warm years. In 2002 we had late hard freezes into May despite the fact that forsythia's and other early flowering bushes/shrubs came out in late March and I think that we survived that. I think we'll be OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nzucker Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 No tree issues here either except for flowering cherries and such, and they will be fine lol, mother nature has ensured those that bloom first can withstand the cold. Leaf out fail, its about light, and soil temps much deeper than 6 inches. However, its been nice to see the spring flowers early as well as some early fruit trees. Always fun to see inland locations leaft out first, as usually the case as they are much warmer than coastal locations in spring. I just drove home from Rindge to Dobbs Ferry for the weekend, and I noticed a local maximum in vegetative development around Springfield and Hartford compared to the Monadnocks and NYC metro/coastal plain. In the CT River Valley, grass was completely green, all of the maples had the red flowers, and some of the earlier species such as magnolias had actually developed some leaves. As I approached Westchester, the maples' flowering was definitely reduced but the ornamental trees such as magnolia and cherry were still in bloom, unlike in the Monadnocks. During the whole car ride, I was thinking to myself that the trees in SW NH looked more like the trees in NYC metro usually do in the third week of April. Just a remarkable torch and I had the AC on around Springfield because it was so stuffy in the sun with traffic. 57.6/44 here in Dobbs Ferry at 1040pm...torch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 My Norway maples haven't been buying the warmth. Nary a bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted March 24, 2012 Author Share Posted March 24, 2012 00z NAM gets -16C 850 isotherm down into MA...pretty impressive. Keeps trending colder. I think that is probably too extreme, but no doubt this will be a shock to the system when the cold front does come through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 00z NAM gets -16C 850 isotherm down into MA...pretty impressive. Keeps trending colder. I think that is probably too extreme, but no doubt this will be a shock to the system when the cold front does come through. The forecasts came in slightly under this past weeks high temps so it would be nice to see the lows this coming week overperform. teens and low 20's is going to feel great, haven't had the woodstove going in almost a week. As a life long weather weenie (and as someone who gets a good amount of time outdoors) I can't ignore that gut feeling that tells me we get at least one more round of winter precip in the next three weeks that makes folks say hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 I can't speak for SNE, but in adjacent southern NY (the mid/lower Hudson Valley) absolutely everything is blooming. I have never seen anything like it before in March. It looks like May 1st. All magnolias are fully out in pink, forsythia obviously, cherry trees, daffodils, tulips way up and budding, hedges with new growth, lots of greening undergrowth and bushes along roads and small baby leaves popping on many trees. The apple orchards about 75 miles north of NYC all have small leaves popping, but no blossoms yet. Grass ready to be cut... That area could be 20F if we get a radiational cooling night.... lots of dead plants maybe. How far along are the trees in Southern New England? Lots of buds here but no leaves. Forsythia are not open. Are forsythia totally open down there? Do the Norway maples have those big green buds? Will the NWS put out freeze warnings or do they not do that because technically we are not in growing season yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherX Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 The peepers have gone quiet here suddenly... 51F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allenson Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 No leaves and only a few flowers (poplar & red maple) around here. I've been doing my normally late winter fruit tree pruning for my clients (mostly apple, some pear & plum) and I'm actually surprised at what I've seen in the trees. The buds have swollen some but actually not a whole lot considering the recent hot spell. Only yesterday did I notice any sap flow in the 'water sprouts' as I cut them off--a slight bit of sap visible at the wound. And these were valley trees at roughly 900'. The other trees that I've been working on are at 1900' and 1600' respectively. Anyway, it sounds like we'll have a couple cold mornings--Tuesday in particular. It'll be a good thing to put a nice check on all the plant life. What we really could use here is some rain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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