Nittany88 Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Mansfield broke their record...69F Officially in @ 68F for a tie of the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittany88 Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Yeah it'll be close I think. Are you a MET and/or MET student? You seem to know your stuff lol Yes but just like perusing the New England section of the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Officially in @ 68F for a tie of the record. Nittany is this the same as the Co-Op station? I wasn't aware of another weather station on the top but I have noticed discrepancies between these temperatures and the high/low reported by the Co-Op . This station hit 69F and the elevation listed is the same as the Engineers Station up top. http://www.wrh.noaa....NV1&banner=gmap All that new snow has been disappearing quickly... the view from the west side (BTV/Underhill/etc) looks like there's no snow left as that afternoon sun and heat has baked it. East side is still holding snow from this past week though in the upper elevations. I'll be real interested to see what it looks like up there tomorrow afternoon. We may be back to what we had prior to that massive upslope snowstorm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Not to get too nitpicky here or anything, but if its dry adiabatic from the mountain-top down, it'll be about 12C (22F) cooler at 4000 feet than at sea level (10C/km) or about 10C (18F) cooler than at 800 ft (Stowe Village). Of course that doesn't take into account differential heating or anything. In order for the mountains to be as warm or warmer than us, you want a less mixed boundary layer or even a stable layer with warm air aloft. Yeah hitting mid to upper 70s at the top of the mountain would be an absolute bake-off down here in the village. Like you guys have been mentioning, there's typically about a 15F difference between my house and the summit during afternoon heating. More like 8-12F if its raining or snowing. I do enjoy all the early mornings that I get to see inversions up there... almost seems to happen more in the summer than in the winter. Start out at 47F in the village, and then by the time I get off the ATV at 3,600ft its in the low 60s or around there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Hot day today... I can't believe MVL hit 85F. They were 85/49 for 29% RH at max heating. Looking at the stations around the Stowe area the maxes line up like this: 4,000ft...68F (or 69F?) 1,600ft...81F 950ft...83F 730ft...85F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxeyeNH Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 18Z GFS now has next weekends storm going east and keeping the 850mb freezing line south of NNE. Could some late April elevation snow be in the offing?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 Hard to believe that just one week ago it was snowing 1-2" per hour above 1,800ft with a pouring 37F rain in town... and Monday was the start of one of the more epic high elevation upslope spring snow events I can remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted April 16, 2012 Share Posted April 16, 2012 18Z GFS now has next weekends storm going east and keeping the 850mb freezing line south of NNE. Could some late April elevation snow be in the offing?? I hadn't looked at a model in days but this post got me interested again, haha. Can we get one last higher elevation snowfall this April? Will post these so we can see how wrong the GFS is in 5 days, haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Max 88.4F. CON broke their previous record of 88F today set back in 2002...they reached at least 89F. In between high was 90F at CON.NH highs today... ASH 91 CON 90 MHT 90 LEB 90 EEN 90 Here 88 LCI 88 1P1 88 AFN 88 BML 87 DAW 86 PSM 82 MWN 57 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsnowstorm628 Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 Officially in @ 68F for a tie of the record. Oh mesowest had a high of 69 earlier. I'll check it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsnowstorm628 Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 Mansfield hit 69.4f at 3950ft. Is there another station at 4300? And btw its 72F at midnight. This is effin insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Rained a little last night judging by the car and wet ground...probably the equivilent of one of our half inch dustings that happen all winter long at night. I did notice several periods of rain/snow mix has now showed up in the extended forecast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Mansfield hit 69.4f at 3950ft. Is there another station at 4300? And btw its 72F at midnight. This is effin insane. I mentioned this a few posts earlier... there is definitely no station at 4300ft.... but I have noticed that the Mesowest site doesn't always match the high/lows recorded by the official CoOp. However, the elevation listed by Mesowest at 3950 is the elevation of the Engineers Station where the summit 24hr/day crew lives. The snow depth stake is down the road at 3700ft. So I am not sure why, but all winter long I notice Mesowest can be a couple degrees different with high/low than the CoOp report shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 18Z GFS now has next weekends storm going east and keeping the 850mb freezing line south of NNE. Could some late April elevation snow be in the offing?? They've continued this with some subsequent runs; verbatim, foothills/mts could have a bit of accumulated white both Sat and Sun nights. GYX forecast, however, keeps temps well above freezing, so gfs must be an outlier. (Surprise!) Yesterday was my warmest day of the year so far, going by mean - 79/44 while 3/22 was 80/35. Sandy River flow now less than half the previous low cfs for 4/17, set in 1939. I hope the 4-day cloudy/wet spell coming up does better than last week's, when 6 consecutive days with precip yielded 0.05" total. (4 days had only T.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsnowstorm628 Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 Saturday through Monday definitely has rainy 40F look in lower elevations with some snow up high. 850s near -3c at night would def lead to some snow at higher elevations. 0z GFS is also probably on crack with the evolution of that cold front coming down from the north and having that system ride along it. Other guidance takes that first disturbance further west with the FROPA trailing behind the precip. In fact the EURO gets NNE into the lower 70s Friday. Even if the GFS is right (lol) it's probably rain everywhere outside of Mansfield during the day and snow above like 2,000ft at night. But I think the GFS is kind of strung out with its vort max and overall it wouldn't be an impressive precip producer...more showery impulses than an all out deluge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 They've continued this with some subsequent runs; verbatim, foothills/mts could have a bit of accumulated white both Sat and Sun nights. GYX forecast, however, keeps temps well above freezing, so gfs must be an outlier. (Surprise!) Yesterday was my warmest day of the year so far, going by mean - 79/44 while 3/22 was 80/35. Sandy River flow now less than half the previous low cfs for 4/17, set in 1939. I hope the 4-day cloudy/wet spell coming up does better than last week's, when 6 consecutive days with precip yielded 0.05" total. (4 days had only T.) Yeah the set up looks better for lower snow levels out east of here at night. Cold is a little deeper with the high nudging in over in Maine. Funny though BTV added rain/snow to the point forecast and zone later in the weekend while GYX didn't. That might be mostly just based on what model data they loaded in and Im not reading into it much. Regarding stream flows, our local river is running surprisingly well and I noticed it this morning how swiftly it was running...then I remembered that even with no rains in days, there was still 4" of QPF to melt out of the snowpack in the high terrain. I bet this is highly localized though as there was only a narrow area that got significant precip last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allenson Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 A fellow can dream, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quincy Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 FRYEBERG, ME: 80/20 (11% RH) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 A great evening in northern Vermont... sunshine, low humidity. Temps ranging from upper 40s to low 60s. Got out of work at 4pm, and up at the summit in the breeze at 5pm. Looking northward towards Jay Peak (right hand side of photo under the cloud) through Smugglers Notch. These are all south and west facing slopes I am looking at, which is why they are bare. Still some snow to slide on.... north and east facing slopes still holding snow, south and west are gone. Luckily they figured this out when they first cut the ski trails up here and decided to put a lot of them on north or east aspects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittany88 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I mentioned this a few posts earlier... there is definitely no station at 4300ft.... but I have noticed that the Mesowest site doesn't always match the high/lows recorded by the official CoOp. However, the elevation listed by Mesowest at 3950 is the elevation of the Engineers Station where the summit 24hr/day crew lives. The snow depth stake is down the road at 3700ft. So I am not sure why, but all winter long I notice Mesowest can be a couple degrees different with high/low than the CoOp report shows. Quality control I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsnowstorm628 Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 Quality control I believe. The high was 69f yesterday btw according to btvs high temp graphic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreaves Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 29° at my house this morning. There was some ice on the car windshield but too dry for any frost on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Had some frost on the pickup roof, low about 30. We had about 3 hr of house-creaking gusts last evening. It had been breezy all afternoon, but the evening upgraded to gusts near 40. Like yesterday at 12z, the 06z gfs has massive rains, 4-5"+ for the foothills, Sat-Tues, including a stretch with 3" in 12 hr on Monday. Still showing 12"+ snow Sat-Sun for NW Maine, too. All quite unlikely, but significant rain with some snow up north seems possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Quality control I believe. Ahhh that would make sense. I want to get the ski resorts temps online in real-time. With the snowmaking systems these days, all the new guns have their own weather stations essentially. We could set something up with a vertical thermal profile every 100ft all the way up/down the mountain haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsnowstorm628 Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 Ahhh that would make sense. I want to get the ski resorts temps online in real-time. With the snowmaking systems these days, all the new guns have their own weather stations essentially. We could set something up with a vertical thermal profile every 100ft all the way up/down the mountain haha. YES!!!! Seriously, I would kill for this at local mountains up here. SO nice for ski conditions, forecasting, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 YES!!!! Seriously, I would kill for this at local mountains up here. SO nice for ski conditions, forecasting, etc. Trust me I'd love to have it too...it's just actually getting the time and resources to get it done. Id love even 4 stations every 500ft from 1500-3500 then use the Mesowest one for 4,000ft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctsnowstorm628 Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 Trust me I'd love to have it too...it's just actually getting the time and resources to get it done. Id love even 4 stations every 500ft from 1500-3500 then use the Mesowest one for 4,000ft. Yeah like the wunderground one at 1640ft, then even one at like 2,000, 2,500, 3,000, and 3,500. It'd be sweet if you could develop something like MWN has on their page. Just having the base and summit is nice at Stowe. It'd be cool to further that technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamarack Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 12z gfs moved the Maine rain jackpot about 100 miles to the northeast (RUM to MLT), and moved the big snow dump north of the border (unless one lives in Estcourt Station.) It did show this weird SW-NE band of 1-2" snow falling Sun-Mon for Bethel-Bangor-Danforth. More changes await... Nice mid-50s day here in AUG, though the high clouds have now made the shadows disappear. Looking forward to some serious qpf. Sandy River now at 471 cfs, which is 44% of the previous record low flow for 4/18, and 12% of median flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Yeah like the wunderground one at 1640ft, then even one at like 2,000, 2,500, 3,000, and 3,500. It'd be sweet if you could develop something like MWN has on their page. Just having the base and summit is nice at Stowe. It'd be cool to further that technology. I had known about this other weather station on Mansfield but didn't know it was in the Mesowest network until someone recently brought this to my attention... but this is a good link to have as this weather station is at 2,200ft on Mansfield. http://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base.cgi?stn=MMSV1 I've also personally seen a weather station in the woods at an elevation of like 2,600-2,800ft just outside of Stowe's boundaries but I have no idea if its still functioning or how to find that data. That would be a clutch elevation to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Great discussion by Brooke Taber in this afternoon's AFD out of BTV... regarding the upcoming system and the potential for snow: FOR MONDAY INTO TUESDAY...STRONG NORTHERN STREAM S/W ENERGY WL PHASE WITH SOUTHERN ENERGY TO PRODUCE DEVELOPING COASTAL LOW PRES NEAR HATTERAS BY 12Z MONDAY. THIS DEVELOPING COASTAL SYSTEM WL TRACK NE TWD THE MID ATLANTIC/SNE COAST BY TUES...AS DEVELOPING CLOSED 5H/7H CIRCULATION LIFTS ACRS OUR REGION. THIS WL ADVECT PLENTY OF GULF/ATLANTIC MOISTURE INTO OUR REGION ON MONDAY...WITH A WIDESPREAD RAIN EVENT LIKELY. THIS PATTERN HAS THE POTENTIAL TO PRODUCE A WIDESPREAD 1 TO 2 INCHES OF RAINFALL...WITH LOCALIZED HIGHER AMOUNTS ACRS THE TRRN. GIVEN THE SHIFT FURTHER EAST IN THE SFC LOW PRES TRACK...SOME COLDER AIR WL ADVECT INTO THE REGION...ESPECIALLY AS LOW PRES PASSES TO OUR NORTH...TO SUPPORT A CHANGE OVER TO SNOW ACRS THE HIGHER TRRN. GIVEN...FAVORABLE UPSLOPE FLW AND DEEP CLOSED 5H/7H CIRCULATION WRAPPING ATLANTIC MOISTURE BACK INTO OUR CWA...A PROLONGED UPSLOPE EVENT WITH SOME ACCUMULATING WET SNOW ABOVE 1500 FEET WL BE POSSIBLE LATE MONDAY THRU TUES. WL MENTION LIKELY POPS ATTM...WITH A DECREASE TWD CHC POPS BY WEDS. THE 12Z ECMWF IS 6 TO 12 HRS SLOWER WITH COASTAL DEVELOP AND IMPACTS ACRS OUR REGION...BUT CONTS TO SHOW A SHIFT FURTHER EAST...ALONG WITH A COOLER SOLUTION. BOTH GFS/ECMWF SHOW PROGGED 85H TEMPS DROPPING TO NEAR -6C ON BACKSIDE...WHICH WL BE COLD ENOUGH FOR SOME SNOW. OTHERWISE...TEMPS WL RANGE FROM THE M30S MTNS TO U40S WARMER VALLEYS FOR MONDAY THRU WEDS...WITH LOWS MAINLY IN THE U20S TO U30S. FINALLY...THE POTENTIAL FOR GUSTY WINDS ALONG THE WESTERN SLOPES WL BE POSSIBLE ON MONDAY...GIVEN DEVELOPING EASTERLY GRADIENT. This would be a most favorable track for the Adirondacks... the Greens would do alright but at a higher elevation. If that H5 low tucks just a little bit more east it would be a perfect Green Mountain crusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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