OceanStWx Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Something tells me a couple of these EF-3s will be upgraded, especially when looking at the damage photos and aerials of some of these areas. Salyersville looks closest of anything I've seen. A couple homes there look like complete losses, especially the lower center one (expected wind speeds of around 170 mph with that kind of damage). The reddish roofed house left of center appears to be the one in this picture. It's not an interior room that survived, but more the front section of the house. Seeing that the roof is mostly intact, this could be more of a slide off the foundation rather than complete destruction. Additionally, the surviving power pole behind the house suggests maybe slightly lower than expected winds. Now if this is a transmission tower, then that could also take this right up to 165 mph if it approaches the upper bound. If it stays at 160 mph, I can't really argue with it. Likewise if they decide to bump it up to 170 mph. It's very close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 4, 2012 Author Share Posted March 4, 2012 Source is Wikipedia so use with caution but it has 38 confirmed with a breakdown of 5 EF0, 9 EF1, 14 EF2, 9 EF3, 1 EF4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 4, 2012 Author Share Posted March 4, 2012 Source is Wikipedia so use with caution but it has 38 confirmed with a breakdown of 5 EF0, 9 EF1, 14 EF2, 9 EF3, 1 EF4 Rather impressive ratio of strong tornadoes compared to weak although this will probably change as surveys continue and perhaps some weaker events are identified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Here's the breakdown I have thus far... March 2nd: PAH: 1 LMK: 2 (No EF rating/state added below) ILN: 9 JKL: 3 RLX: 2 OHX: 2 MRX: 7 JAN: 1 HUN: 4 BMX: 3 FFC: 1 --------------- IN: 2 KY: 7 OH: 5 WV: 2 TN: 8 MS: 1 AL: 6 GA: 1 VA: 1 NC: 1 --------------- EF-0: 4 EF-1: 8 EF-2: 12 EF-3: 8 --------------- Total: 34 March 3rd: GSP: 1 --------------- NC: 1 --------------- EF-2: 1 --------------- Total: 1 Overall total: 35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Just a note for the breakdown above... It seems fairly possible that the Henryville, IN EF-4 continued all of the way east into the ILN CWA, near Locust/Carrollton, KY (Rated an EF-2 there). The count will be revised once LMK surveys are done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 4, 2012 Author Share Posted March 4, 2012 Just a note for the breakdown above... It seems fairly possible that the Henryville, IN EF-4 continued all of the way east into the ILN CWA, near Locust/Carrollton, KY (Rated an EF-2 there). The count will be revised once LMK surveys are done. If you just take the distance from where it was first reported (north of Palmyra I believe) and go to the Kentucky border, that is about 40 miles. So it is possible that the tornado was on the ground for at least 40-50 miles. We'll see if they find any breaks though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cary Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Huntsville WFO update... PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HUNTSVILLE AL 1244 PM CST SUN MAR 4 2012 ...UPDATED STORM SURVEY INFORMATION MADISON COUNTY... ...SOUTHERN TRACK TORNADO UPGRADED TO EF-2... THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN HUNTSVILLE TOOK A SECOND LOOK AT TORNADO DAMAGE THAT OCCURRED ALONG DARWIN ROAD AND IN A NEIGHBORHOOD OFF RUBE ROBINSON ROAD IN MADISON COUNTY. THE DAMAGE REVEALED A HIGH END EF-2 TORNADO RATING...WITH MAXIMUM WINDS AROUND 130 MPH. IN PARTICULAR...THE SEVERAL WOOD POWER POLES SNAPPED ALONG MOORES MILL ROAD AND FURTHER INVESTIGATION OF A HOUSE THAT WAS DESTROYED OFF MORNING MIST DRIVE SUPPORTS THIS UPGRADE TO AN EF-2 RATING. NEW FINDINGS ARE AS FOLLOWS: * EVENT TYPE: TORNADO * EVENT DATE: 03/02/12 * EVENT TIME: 10:06 TO 10:15 AM CST (TIME ESTIMATED) * ESTIMATED PEAK WIND: 130 MPH * PRELIMINARY RATING: EF-2 **UPGRADED FROM INITIAL EF-1 RATING** * PATH LENGTH: 7.3 MILES **INCREASED FROM INITIAL PATH LENGTH** * MAXIMUM PATH WIDTH: 220 YARDS **INCREASED FROM INITIAL PATH WIDTH** * BEGINNING POINT: 34.8502 / -86.5702 **UPDATED** * ENDING POINT: 34.8716 / -86.4448 * SUMMARY /UPDATED FROM FRIDAY`S STATEMENT ISSUED AT 617 PM CST/: A TORNADO OF EF-2 INTENSITY WITH A PEAK WIND SPEED OF 130 MPH CROSSED PORTIONS OF NORTH CENTRAL INTO NORTHEAST MADISON COUNTY FRIDAY MORNING /MARCH 2/. THE TORNADO APPEARED TO TOUCH DOWN JUST SOUTH OF THE MERIDIANVILLE-MADISON COUNTY EXECUTIVE AIRPORT OFF MERIDIANVILLE BOTTOM ROAD WHERE SEVERAL TREES WERE SNAPPED. THE TORNADO CONTINUED ITS PATH EASTWARD TO BUCKHORN HIGH SCHOOL BEFORE LIFTING AT A FARM FIELD ACROSS THE STREET /WINCHESTER ROAD/ FROM THE SCHOOL. THE TORNADO SNAPPED POWER POLES AND LINES ALONG MOORES MILL ROAD JUST NORTH OF DARWIN ROAD. THE TORNADO THEN INTENSIFIED AND DESTROYED A SILO JUST EAST OF THAT LOCATION BEFORE SNAPPING TREES AND COLLAPSING A BARN ON MACON LANE. THE EF-2 TORNADO CONTINUED EAST CAUSING SIGNIFICANT TREE DAMAGE AND STRUCTURAL LOSS TO RESIDENCES ALONG RUBE ROBINSON ROAD AND MORNING MIST DRIVE. MOST RESIDENCES EXPERIENCED ROOF DAMAGE (LOSS OF SHINGLES) AND WINDOWS BLOWN OUT. ONE HOME ON MORNING MIST DRIVE COMPLETELY COLLAPSED AND WAS TORN OFF ITS FOUNDATION. THE TORNADO WAS AT ITS PEAK WIDTH OF ABOUT 220 YARDS AT THIS POINT BEFORE NARROWING TO 50 TO 100 YARDS AS IT RE-CROSSED RUBE ROBINSON ROAD. THE TORNADO COLLAPSED A ROOF AND BARN IN THIS AREA...THEN CROSSED FIELDS FOR ABOUT 1 MILE BEFORE REACHING RESIDENTS ADJACENT TO BUCKHORN HIGH SCHOOL ON SHADY OAK LANE AND MAYSVILLE LANE. A POWER POLE AND NUMEROUS TREES WERE DOWN OR SNAPPED ALONG MAYSVILLE LANE. A RESIDENCE EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE...WITH BRICK WALLS BUCKLED AND A LARGE PORTION OF THE ROOF TORN OFF. A NEARBY CINDER BLOCK WALL OF A GARAGE COLLAPSED. THE TORNADO THEN TRACKED THROUGH THE BUCKHORN HIGH SCHOOL CAMPUS WITH A WIDTH OF 50 TO 100 YARDS. A BLOCK BUILDING USED BY THE ROTC STUDENTS ADJACENT TO THE STADIUM COLLAPSED. SEVERAL PORTIONS OF THE ROOF OF THE HIGH SCHOOL WERE TORN OFF. SEVERAL CARS IN THE PARKING LOT WERE MOVED...TWISTED AND DAMAGED WITH SOME WINDOWS BEING BLOWN OUT. THE TORNADO THEN CROSSED WINCHESTER ROAD AND SEVERELY DAMAGED A FARMHOUSE...SNAPPED AND UPROOTED TREES AND STREWN DEBRIS DOWNWIND ACROSS AN ADJACENT COTTON FIELD WHERE THE TORNADO IS BELIEVED TO HAVE LIFTED. THESE FINDINGS ARE SUBJECT TO ADJUSTMENT WITH FURTHER SURVEYS AND/OR INFORMATION FROM LOCAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND PUBLIC. PICTURES AND SUMMARY MATERIALS WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE ON OUR WEB PAGE AT WEATHER.GOV/HUNTSVILLE /ALL LOWER CASE/. SURVEYED BY: NWS HUNTSVILLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cary Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 The Limestone County-Madison County, AL tornado was also upgraded... PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HUNTSVILLE AL 612 PM CST SAT MAR 3 2012 ...UPDATED STORM SURVEY INFORMATION FROM TORNADO THAT IMPACTED LIMESTONE AND MADISON COUNTIES... ADDITIONAL SURVEY OF FRIDAY MORNING`S /MARCH 2/ LONG TRACK TORNADO ACROSS LIMESTONE AND MADISON COUNTIES REVEALED A STRONGER INTENSITY (EF-2 TO EF-3) AND LONGER PATH LENGTH. A LONG TRACK TORNADO IMPACTED AREAS FROM EAST-CENTRAL LIMESTONE COUNTY (NEAR THE CANEBRAKE COMMUNITY) TO EXTREME NORTHEAST MADISON COUNTY (HIGHER TERRAIN EAST OF PLEVNA). IT IS POSSIBLE THIS TORNADO TRACKED INTO SOUTHERN TENNESSEE (FRANKLIN COUNTY)...BUT COMPLEX TERRAIN HAS LIMITED CONFIRMATION OF ANY DAMAGE AT THIS TIME. ADDITIONAL FINDINGS: * EVENT TYPE: TORNADO * EVENT DATE: 03/02/12 * EVENT TIME: 9:10 TO 10:00 AM CST (TIMES ESTIMATED BASED ON RADAR) * ESTIMATED PEAK WIND: 140 MPH * PRELIMINARY RATING: EF-3 **UPGRADED FROM INITIAL EF-2 RATING** * PATH LENGTH: 34.4 MILES **INCREASED FROM INITIAL 13.75 MILES** * MAXIMUM PATH WIDTH: 250 YARDS **INCREASED FROM INITIAL 150 YARDS** * BEGINNING POINT: 34.7597 / -86.9531 * ENDING POINT: 34.9483 / -86.3994 * INJURIES: SEVERAL (NONE TO BE SERIOUS AND EXACT NUMBER UNKNOWN) * SUMMARY /EXTENSION OF TORNADO TRACK IN MADISON COUNTY FROM SATURDAY MARCH 3/: AT THE CONCLUSION OF FRIDAY`S STORM SURVEY NEAR HIGHWAY 53 AND JEFF ROAD...THE NWS STORM SURVEY TEAM PICKED UP THE DAMAGE PATH CROSSING HIGHWAY 53...HEADING NORTHEAST. EVIDENCE OF TREES SNAPPED/ UPROOTED WERE SEEN ALONG QUARTER MOUNTAIN ROAD...CARTERS GIN ROAD AND BEAVER DAM ROAD JUST BEFORE PULASKI PIKE. MORE SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE BEGAN TO BE SEEN ALONG PATTERSON LANE...BETWEEN MOUNT LEBANON ROAD AND HARWELL LANE WHERE WOOD POWER POLES WERE SNAPPED...NUMEROUS TREES UPROOTED AND SEVERAL HOMES HAD ROOF LOSS. A LARGE METAL BARN/SHED LOST ITS ROOF AND SOME OF ITS WALLS WERE COLLAPSED INWARD. DAMAGE CONTINUED ALONG HIGHWAY 231 AROUND MERIDIANVILLE MIDDLE SCHOOL WHERE A CONCRETE POWER POLE WAS SNAPPED AND MINOR ROOF DAMAGE OCCURRED TO NEARBY BUILDINGS. THE TORNADO THEN APPEARED TO STRENGTHEN BETWEEN HUBERT ROAD AND WALKER LANE...INCLUDING MITZI DRIVE. IN THIS AREA...EF-2 TO LOW END EF-3 DAMAGE WAS SEEN AS SEVERAL SINGLE STORY HOMES WERE DESTROYED (LOSS OF ALL WALLS). OTHER HOMES RECEIVED SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE WITH COMPLETE LOSS OF ROOF AND FAILURE OF EXTERIOR WALLS. ESTIMATED PATH WIDTH IN THIS AREA WAS 200-250 YARDS. JUST NORTHEAST OF THIS LOCATION...ALONG CHARLEY PATTERSON ROAD...MORE EF-3 DAMAGE OCCURRED AS 3 BRICK VENEER/CINDER BLOCK HOUSES WERE REDUCED TO RUBBLE. THE TORNADO CONTINUED TO PRODUCE SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE ALONG BUTLER ROAD (JUST SOUTH OF WALKER LANE) WHERE ADDITIONAL CONCRETE POWER POLES WERE SNAPPED AND LARGE OAK TREES WERE SNAPPED AND UPROOTED. THE DAMAGE PATH CONTINUED NORTH OF NEW MARKET...NEAR HILLSBORO...WITH ADDITIONAL TREES SNAPPED/UPROOTED AND SOME ROOF DAMAGE (LOSS OF SHINGLES) WERE SEEN TO SOME RESIDENCES. DAMAGE HERE SUGGESTS THE TORNADO WAS BEGINNING TO WEAKEN. ALONG DAVIS ROAD...JUST SOUTH OF MOE ROAD...NUMEROUS TREES WERE SNAPPED OR UPROOTED WITH SEVERE SHINGLE LOSS TO A HOUSE ABOUT 200 YARDS AWAY FROM ROAD. BEYOND THIS...THE TORNADO APPEARED TO WEAKEN AND LIFT AS IT MOVED ACROSS THE HIGHER PLATEAU REGION OF EXTREME NORTHEAST MADISON COUNTY. ATTEMPTS TO FIND THE DAMAGE PATH ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIDGELINE (ALONG MOUNTAIN FORK ROAD) WERE UNSUCCESSFUL. * STORM SURVEY SUMMARY FROM LIMESTONE COUNTY TO MADISON COUNTY (NEAR HARVEST) FROM FRIDAY - MARCH 2: THE START POINT OF THIS TORNADO HAS BEEN SHIFTED BACK SEVERAL MILES SOUTHWEST NEAR THE ATHENS COUNTRY CLUB AND GOLF COURSE ALONG HATFIELD LAKE ROAD OFF HIGHWAY 31. SEVERAL TREES WERE SNAPPED AND UPROOTED ALONG A PATH THAT CROSSED I-65 AND STRAIN ROAD. DAMAGE PICKED UP ALONG LINDSAY LANE ABOUT 1 MILE SOUTH OF HIGHWAY 72 IN EAST CENTRAL LIMESTONE COUNTY. IN THE CANEBRAKE NEIGHBORHOOD...NUMEROUS HOMES SUSTAINED SIGNIFICANT ROOF LOSS WITH GARAGE DOORS BLOWN OUT AND SOME EXTERIOR WALL DAMAGE. MINOR STRUCTURAL DAMAGE ALSO OCCURRED IN THE INDIAN TRACE COMMUNITY OFF WOODLAND ROAD. THE TORNADO THEN CROSSED HIGHWAY 72 NEAR PINEY CREEK AND CONTINUED TO TRACK NORTHEAST. AT MOORESVILLE ROAD AND PEPPER ROAD...NUMEROUS HOMES SUSTAINED SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE...INCLUDING MAJOR ROOF LOSS. A BRICK GARAGE WAS COLLAPSED AND NUMEROUS TREES WERE SNAPPED AND UPROOTED. AS THE TORNADO CONTINUED TRACKING NORTHEAST ACROSS MCCULLEY MILL ROAD...ADDITIONAL HOMES WERE DAMAGED...AGAIN SUSTAINING MAJOR ROOF LOSS AND SOME EXTERIOR WALL COLLAPSE. SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL DAMAGE TO HOMES OCCURRED ALONG NICK DAVIS ROAD NEAR EAST LIMESTONE ROAD. DAMAGE CONTINUED TO HOMES ALONG EAGLE POINT DRIVE AND FREEDOM DRIVE WHERE A HOME LOST ITS ROOF COMPLETELY AND OTHER HOMES RECEIVED MAJOR ROOF LOSS...BROKEN WINDOWS AND COLLAPSED GARAGES. THE TORNADO CROSSED INTO MADISON COUNTY JUST NORTH OF ORVILLE SMITH ROAD WHERE A SINGLE WIDE MODULAR HOME LOST MUCH OF ITS ROOF AND TREES WERE SNAPPED AROUND IT. MAJOR STRUCTURAL DAMAGE WAS SEEN AGAIN AT THE INTERSECTION ON YARBROUGH ROAD AND OLD RAILROAD BED ROAD. THIS WAS ONE OF THE WORST HIT AREAS AROUND THE HARVEST COMMUNITY. DAMAGE TO HOMES...MOSTLY COLLAPSED ROOFS AND SOME EXTERIOR WALL DAMAGE CONTINUED EAST ALONG YARBROUGH ROAD ACROSS BRIDGES DRIVE AND BEDFORD LANE...JUST BEFORE WALL TRIANA BLVD. ALSO IN THIS AREA...POWER POLES WERE SNAPPED NEAR THE BASE. DAMAGE CONTINUED NORTHEAST TOWARD HIGHWAY 53 JUST SOUTH OF JEFF ROAD WHERE THE SURVEY TODAY ENDED DUE TO INCLEMENT WEATHER. THESE FINDINGS ARE SUBJECT TO ADJUSTMENT. PICTURES AND SUMMARY MATERIALS WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE ON OUR WEB PAGE IN THE COMING DAYS AT WEATHER.GOV/HUNTSVILLE /ALL LOWER CASE/. SURVEYED BY: NADLER/BURGESS/CROWE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cary Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HUNTSVILLE AL 555 PM CST SAT MAR 3 2012 ...PRELIMINARY STORM SURVEY INFORMATION FROM WESTERN LINCOLN COUNTY TENNESSEE... A PRELIMINARY STORM SURVEY OF THE DAMAGE ACROSS WESTERN LINCOLN COUNTY HAS BEEN COMPLETED BY NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PERSONNEL. INITIAL FINDINGS ARE AS FOLLOWS: * EVENT TYPE: TORNADO * EVENT DATE: 03/02/12 * EVENT TIME: 245 PM TO 247 PM CST /TIMES ARE APPROXIMATE/ * ESTIMATED PEAK WIND: 65 MPH * PRELIMINARY RATING: EF-0 * PATH LENGTH: .6 MILES * MAXIMUM PATH WIDTH: 50 YARDS * BEGINNING POINT: 35.2116/-86.7422 * ENDING POINT: 35.2117/-86.7312 * SUMMARY: A TORNADO BRIEFLY TOUCHED DOWN AT BOONSHILL TENNESSEE AND PRODUCED SHINGLE DAMAGE TO THE BOONSHILL COMMUNITY CENTER...UPROOTED EIGHT MEDIUM TO LARGE TREES AND DESTROYED AN OLD BARN ALONG DELINA BOONSHILL ROAD. THESE FINDINGS ARE PRELIMINARY AND ARE SUBJECT TO ADJUSTMENT. PICTURES AND SUMMARY MATERIALS WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE ON OUR WEB PAGE AT WEATHER.GOV/HUNTSVILLE /ALL LOWER CASE/. SURVEYED BY: TROUTMAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cary Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT...UPDATED TIMING NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE HUNTSVILLE AL 517 PM CST SAT MAR 3 2012 ...PRELIMINARY STORM SURVEY INFORMATION FROM NORTHEASTERN LIMESTONE COUNTY... A PRELIMINARY STORM SURVEY OF THE DAMAGE INCURRED ACROSS NORTHEASTERN LIMESTONE COUNTY HAS BEEN COMPLETED BY NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE PERSONNEL. INITIAL FINDINGS ARE AS FOLLOWS: * EVENT TYPE: TORNADO * EVENT DATE: 03/02/12 * EVENT TIME: 339 PM TO 346 PM CST /TIMES ARE APPROXIMATE/ * ESTIMATED PEAK WIND: 100 MPH * PRELIMINARY RATING: EF-1 * PATH LENGTH: 2.6 MILES * MAXIMUM PATH WIDTH: 150 YARDS * BEGINNING POINT: 34.9182 / -86.8581 * ENDING POINT: 34.9190 / -86.8124 * SUMMARY: A TORNADO TOUCHED DOWN IN THE THACH COMMUNITY DURING THE LATE AFTERNOON HOURS ON FRIDAY...MARCH 2ND 2012. THE TORNADO FIRST TOUCHED DOWN JUST WEST OF THE INTERSECTION OF THACH ROAD AND OAK GROVE ROAD. THE TORNADO MOVED NEARLY DUE EAST PARALLELING THACH ROAD FOR MUCH OF ITS LIFE CYCLE. THE TORNADO APPEARED TO SKIP ALONG ITS PATH...LEAVING SOME STRUCTURES AND TREES INTACT BUT DAMAGING OTHERS. THE TORNADO FINALLY LIFTED EAST OF HIGHWAY 251. NUMEROUS SOFTWOOD AND HARDWOOD TREES WERE SNAPPED AND UPROOTED ALONG THE TORNADO PATH. SEVERAL HOMES ALONG THE PATH HAD MINOR STRUCTURAL DAMAGE WITH LOSS OF SHINGLES...SIDING DAMAGE...AND DAMAGE TO ONE GARAGE. ONE HOME HAD MORE SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO A SECTION OF ITS ROOF. A WELL CONSTRUCTED BARN ALSO LOST MOST OF ITS ROOF. THESE FINDINGS ARE PRELIMINARY AND ARE SUBJECT TO ADJUSTMENT. PICTURES AND SUMMARY MATERIALS WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE ON OUR WEB PAGE AT WEATHER.GOV/HUNTSVILLE /ALL LOWER CASE/. SURVEYED BY: DARDEN/CARCIONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjack123 Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Salyersville looks closest of anything I've seen. A couple homes there look like complete losses, especially the lower center one (expected wind speeds of around 170 mph with that kind of damage). The reddish roofed house left of center appears to be the one in this picture. It's not an interior room that survived, but more the front section of the house. Seeing that the roof is mostly intact, this could be more of a slide off the foundation rather than complete destruction. Additionally, the surviving power pole behind the house suggests maybe slightly lower than expected winds. Now if this is a transmission tower, then that could also take this right up to 165 mph if it approaches the upper bound. If it stays at 160 mph, I can't really argue with it. Likewise if they decide to bump it up to 170 mph. It's very close. It could go up. I know ground scouring is not that important but that is pretty impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 Wiki count of confirmed is up to 45. Still waiting for word out of Louisville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Any report for Clark County, IN (Marysville)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LOUISVILLE KY 0755 PM EST SUN MAR 04 2012 ...PRELIMINARY DAMAGE REPORT INDICATES AN EF-2 TORNADO TOUCHED DOWN IN BRECKINRIDGE COUNTY KENTUCKY... DAMAGE TYPE: TORNADO DATE: MAR 02 2012 BEGIN TIME: 347 PM EST END TIME: 353 PM EST BEGIN POINT: 4.5 MILES EAST OF CLOVERPORT. END POINT: 9.5 MILES EAST OF CLOVERPORT. EF SCALE: 2 WIND SPEED: 95 TO 120 MPH PATH LENGTH: 5 MILES PATH WIDTH: 60 TO 200 YDS INJURIES: 0 FATALITIES: 0 NARRATIVE: TORNADO TRACK BEGINS AT RESIDENCE ON NEW BETHEL CLOVERPORT RD. WHERE 2 STRUCTURES WERE DESTROYED. THIS DAMAGE IS CONSISTENT WITH AN EF-2 TORNADO AND 110 TO 115 MPH WINDS. TORNADO CONTINUES EAST TO NEAR B FLOOD ROAD WITH ADDITIONAL STRUCTURAL DAMAGE CONSISTENT WITH EF-1 DAMAGE AND 90 MPH WIND. TREE DAMAGE CONTINUES ALONG PATH WITH ADDITIONAL EF-2 DAMAGE OCCURRING AT 2 CHICKEN FARMS WHERE A 200 YD LONG CHICKEN BARN WAS DESTROYED AND HUNDREDS OF CHICKENS WERE KILLED AND/OR LOST CONSISTENT WITH EF-2 DAMAGE AND 120 MPH WIND. AN ADDITIONAL SMALLER CHICKEN COOP ALSO SUSTAINED DAMAGE AT THE END OF SILAS MILLER ROAD CONSISTENT WITH EF-1 DAMAGE. THE END OF THE PATH WAS SURVEYED EAST AT HWY 259 WHERE ANOTHER METAL STRUCTURE WAS DAMAGED AND SEVERAL TREES WHERE DOWNED. THIS DAMAGE WAS CONSISTENT WITH EF-1 DAMAGE AND 90 MPH WINDS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 Any report for Clark County, IN (Marysville)? There's no updated info yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 There's no updated info yet. Yeah, no report on the casualty toll out of there either...which is worrying. The damage pictures I've seen out of there are phenomenal. This house (or whatever was there) is completely demolished, you can see the grass was scoured as well: More very severe damage, you can see that even homes out of the core damage path were compromised significantly: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 Yeah, no report on the casualty toll out of there either...which is worrying. The damage pictures I've seen out of there are phenomenal. This house (or whatever was there) is completely demolished, you can see the grass was scoured as well: I would assume that they have searched most or all of the area by now, so hopefully the casualties won't go up. Louisville had a interesting line in their statement last night which could be interpreted in multiple ways. It was about how more info will be provided later, even the EF rating, which could pertain to other possible tornadoes or may mean that the door isn't shut on this to get upgraded. If we assume well built houses (which is a big assumption), some of the damage pictures look more like at least high end EF4. So I wouldn't be surprised if the estimated wind speed gets raised, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjack123 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I would assume that they have searched most or all of the area by now, so hopefully the casualties won't go up. Louisville had a interesting line in their statement last night which could be interpreted in multiple ways. It was about how more info will be provided later, even the EF rating, which could pertain to other possible tornadoes or may mean that the door isn't shut on this to get upgraded. If we assume well built houses (which is a big assumption), some of the damage pictures look more like at least high end EF4. So I wouldn't be surprised if the estimated wind speed gets raised, at least. It doesnt look like high-end EF4(190-200mph) to me but you could be right. I was thinking around 170-180 mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 It doesnt look like high-end EF4(190-200mph) to me but you could be right. I was thinking around 170-180 mph. If we use damage indicator #2 (one or two family homes) all walls collapsed has lower bound of 142 and upper bound of 198 with expected of 170. The next step up is destruction of well structured residence/slab swept clean, which has a lower bound of 165 and upper bound of 220 with expected of 200. I have my doubts that the rating actually gets upgraded but I could easily see the wind speed getting raised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I would assume that they have searched most or all of the area by now, so hopefully the casualties won't go up. Louisville had a interesting line in their statement last night which could be interpreted in multiple ways. It was about how more info will be provided later, even the EF rating, which could pertain to other possible tornadoes or may mean that the door isn't shut on this to get upgraded. If we assume well built houses (which is a big assumption), some of the damage pictures look more like at least high end EF4. So I wouldn't be surprised if the estimated wind speed gets raised, at least. I think the argument for higher end EF4 damage, is the distance the debris from those two homes left of center was carried. There is next to no debris near the foundations, it was carried a good distance away. That can be an indicator of a higher end tornado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I think the argument for higher end EF4 damage, is the distance the debris from those two homes left of center was carried. There is next to no debris near the foundations, it was carried a good distance away. That can be an indicator of a higher end tornado. LMK also very specifically didn't mention anything about Marysville in the PNS yesterday, only Henryville, Chelsea, and Pekin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 LMK also very specifically didn't mention anything about Marysville in the PNS yesterday, only Henryville, Chelsea, and Pekin. Good catch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I think the argument for higher end EF4 damage, is the distance the debris from those two homes left of center was carried. There is next to no debris near the foundations, it was carried a good distance away. That can be an indicator of a higher end tornado. What really gets me, especially with the left home of the two, is the wind rowing of the debris... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjack123 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I see what you are all saying. some of the foundations look like they have very little debris with most of it scattered downwind(maybe close to 200mph). I am somewhat surprised that the Saylersville tornado did not get upgraded to a low-end EF4(170 mph). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewxmann Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I see what you are all saying. some of the foundations look like they have very little debris with most of it scattered downwind(maybe close to 200mph). I am somewhat surprised that the Saylersville tornado did not get upgraded to a low-end EF4(170 mph). The one thing that might be holding them back is that a lot of the homes next to the one that was leveled seem relatively untouched (see post 61). I would agree with OceanStWx that this looks like borderline EF3-4 damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 The one thing that might be holding them back is that a lot of the homes next to the one that was leveled seem relatively untouched (see post 61). I would agree with OceanStWx that this looks like borderline EF3-4 damage. I wouldn't say untouched, and all that is saying is it might have been a smaller sized tornado at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Just a note for the breakdown above... It seems fairly possible that the Henryville, IN EF-4 continued all of the way east into the ILN CWA, near Locust/Carrollton, KY (Rated an EF-2 there). The count will be revised once LMK surveys are done. Looks like it will end up as at least 2 tors... PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LOUISVILLE KY 1227 PM EST Mon Mar 05 2012 ...Damage Report... Damage Type: Tornado Date: Mar 02 2012 Begin Time: 3:38 PM EST End Time: 3:44 PM EST Begin Point: 5 S of Milton End Point: Just east of Monitor on Trimble Carroll County line EF Scale: 3 Wind Speed: 140 mph Path Length: 3.5 miles Path Width: 75 yards wide max Injuries: 0 Fatalities: 0 Narrative: The tornado touched down about 5 miles SSE of Milton, just west of the Milton volunteer fire station number 2 on Highway 421. This is just NE of the intersection of Hwy 2870 and 421. The tornado touched down at approximately 3:38 PM EST, and the initial damage included snapped and twisted trees just west of Hwy 421. The tornado rapidly increased in intensity as it moved to the east, directly striking the Milton volunteer fire station number 2. The fire station was heavily damaged, with the collapse of rigid frames. A 4000 pound trailer (concession trailer) was moved 30 yards, while a Ford pickup truck was moved 60 yards. The tornado was 60 yards wide with wind speeds of 140 mph, indicative of EF-3 strength. The tornado tracked to the east with extensive damage of trees along Hwy 1226. The tornado weakened to an EF-1 at 871 Palmyra Rd. and at 2130 Palmyra Rd. and narrowed to about 50 yards. Witnesses describe this as a very narrow, skipping tornado. Pictures confirm this. Witnesses saw one vortex coming down from the apparent wall cloud and quickly lifting before a new vortex came down nearby. On Culls Ridge Road, the tornado strengthened to an EF-3 once again with 140 mph winds. It damaged two homes with many exterior walls partially collapsing. The most significant damage here was an electrical transmission line which collapsed a metal truss tower and snapped several power poles in a path width of 70 yards. The tornado weakened from there to an EF-1 tornado, damaging trees as it crossed into Carroll County with wind speeds in far eastern Trimble County of 85-90 mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Here's a before/after of the Milton firestation #2, mentioned in the survey above... Other still pictures and video can be seen here... http://www.turbulentstorm.com/2012-damage.html http://www.turbulentstorm.com/2012-video.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 What really gets me, especially with the left home of the two, is the wind rowing of the debris... I agree, that really jumps out at you. Of course this tornado is already rated an EF4, and I don't see any really compelling evidence to make it higher than that. I do think that maximum winds were likely higher than 170 mph (which I believe is what the preliminary reports were). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Looks like it will end up as at least 2 tors... PUBLIC INFORMATION STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE LOUISVILLE KY 1227 PM EST Mon Mar 05 2012 ...Damage Report... Damage Type: Tornado Date: Mar 02 2012 Begin Time: 3:38 PM EST End Time: 3:44 PM EST Begin Point: 5 S of Milton End Point: Just east of Monitor on Trimble Carroll County line I think this tornado is a good example of the misinformation that often occurs early on after a natural disaster. In real time the report we all heard was that there was nothing left of the Milton fire station. While the building is a total loss in terms of functionality, we can see there is still much of the structure remaining. So while early reports suggested EF4/5 it was more like EF2/3 damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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