N. OF PIKE Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I do like the cutoff potential down the road like Sam alluded to. Could be some nice heavy rains at times and snow for CNE/NNE mtns...hope those folks cash in ya they prolly will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 And they'll be in the 70s by mid week. Welcome to March in Virginia. I remember in 1994 in Staunton, VA we went from almost 30" of snow in mid March to 70F literally two days later. I've never seen snow melt that fast. After 4/1/97, the snow melted in days. Literally 8" a day easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 man these are some wild temperature swings coming this week. Could be 10F tonight in a few places... 70F on Thursday out ahead of sharp cold front that lowers back to 20F some night late in the week or the weekend. Meanwhile, possibly 0 precipitation. What weird atmosphere since.... last November really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I do appreciate the ability for mother nature to dump heavy rains..so I just looked back on PSU NARR starting 5/11/06. Boy was that a firehose of moisture coming in from the Atlantic. I remember at one point I was right on the edge of the moisture train in Marshfield. The sun was literally out 10 miles to my west with bright skies in that direction while it was dumping overhead. It did this for hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eekuasepinniW Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I do like the cutoff potential down the road Never before have my eyes witnessed a more heinous statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Never before have my eyes witnessed a more heinous statement. Spring in New England FTL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 After 4/1/97, the snow melted in days. Literally 8" a day easily. After that mid march blizzard in 94, we went from about 2ft snowpack to almost nothing in one day. I remember playing in the snow in a t-shirt as it was 70 out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 After that mid march blizzard in 94, we went from about 2ft snowpack to almost nothing in one day. I remember playing in the snow in a t-shirt as it was 70 out. Do you mean the superstorm of '93? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I held onto it for a week anyway in the northern Catskills at 2200' where I enjoyed x country skiing every day that week in April. Course there was 37 inches there and it was fairly powdery and drifted. After 4/1/97, the snow melted in days. Literally 8" a day easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I held onto it for a week anyway in the northern Catskills at 2200' where I enjoyed x country skiing every day that week in April. Course there was 37 inches there and it was fairly powdery and drifted. It was close to a week as well, over this way in shady spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 man these are some wild temperature swings coming this week. Could be 10F tonight in a few places... 70F on Thursday out ahead of sharp cold front that lowers back to 20F some night late in the week or the weekend. Meanwhile, possibly 0 precipitation. What weird atmosphere since.... last November really. From a meteorological perspective, this has to have been fascinating to witness. Can't wait to read your and others' summaries about this winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Do you mean the superstorm of '93? No we had a big snowstorm the next March as well, we actually got more snow with that one than with '93, but 93 was way more fierce obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 The April 6, 1982 storm was the coldest Spring snow I ever recall. 20F for a daytime high that day as it snowed. Looking back at temp data it may show a much warmer high, but that's because high temps were realized at midnight and they crashed as the snow began.Then the next three days were very cold...as in sub freezing during the day with drifting. That's almost unheard of after an April event. It did turn about a week after the storm and two weeks to the day later it was 70F. It was close to a week as well, over this way in shady spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I remember a mega clipper around either St. Patrick's Day or maybe March 21st in 1994 that dropped like 8-10 inches in the Catskills and Hudson Valley. That was the culmination of a fantastic winter. The Hudson Riiver was still frozen in mid March above POU. No we had a big snowstorm the next March as well, we actually got more snow with that one than with '93, but 93 was way more fierce obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I remember a mega clipper around either St. Patrick's Day or maybe March 21st in 1994 that dropped like 8-10 inches in the Catskills and Hudson Valley. That was the culmination of a fantastic winter. The Hudson Riiver was still frozen in mid March above POU. My memory was slightly off, our big one was in early March of that year, specifically March 3rd. Not sure what you guys got but we got 20-30" in western VA. http://www.glenallen...yevents/mar.htm (look at Mar 3). "Deep low tracks east coast, 20-30 inches of snow in western VA, Dove, DE wind gust to 70 mph and severe coastal erosion, seas 25 feet off of Hatteras, NC another one to two feet of snow from WV to New England. (Bob Ryan's 2000 Almanac) A major coastal storm was in progress over the mid-Atlantic and the northeast. Winds gusts hit 75 mph at Dover, DE. Big snows buried interior sections. Two day snowfall totals 33 inches at Burdett, NY, 30 inches at Frankfort Center, NY, 29 inches at Loganton, PA, 26 inches at Jay Peak, VT, and 22 inches at Frostburg, MD. The 8.7 inches of snow at Allentown, PA raised their seasonal snowfall to 69.2 inches for their snowiest winter ever. Boston's 8 inches pushed its seasonal snow to 89.5 inches for their snowiest winter as well. The maximum 24-hour snowfall total for the state of Virginia was set today with 33.5 inches at Luray , Virginia on March 2-3, 1994. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 My memory was slightly off, our big one was in early March of that year, specifically March 3rd. Not sure what you guys got but we got 20-30" in western VA. http://www.glenallen...yevents/mar.htm (look at Mar 3). "Deep low tracks east coast, 20-30 inches of snow in western VA, Dove, DE wind gust to 70 mph and severe coastal erosion, seas 25 feet off of Hatteras, NC another one to two feet of snow from WV to New England. (Bob Ryan's 2000 Almanac) A major coastal storm was in progress over the mid-Atlantic and the northeast. Winds gusts hit 75 mph at Dover, DE. Big snows buried interior sections. Two day snowfall totals 33 inches at Burdett, NY, 30 inches at Frankfort Center, NY, 29 inches at Loganton, PA, 26 inches at Jay Peak, VT, and 22 inches at Frostburg, MD. The 8.7 inches of snow at Allentown, PA raised their seasonal snowfall to 69.2 inches for their snowiest winter ever. Boston's 8 inches pushed its seasonal snow to 89.5 inches for their snowiest winter as well. The maximum 24-hour snowfall total for the state of Virginia was set today with 33.5 inches at Luray , Virginia on March 2-3, 1994. " Ah, yes I remember. I was looking around mid month and couldn't find what you meant, but I remember that one. I flipped to rain and then back to snow later that night. That was a big one for the interior iirc. That was huge for the VA hills and mtns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I must have been in the path of that in ENY, but for some reason my mind has gone blank. My memory was slightly off, our big one was in early March of that year, specifically March 3rd. Not sure what you guys got but we got 20-30" in western VA. http://www.glenallen...yevents/mar.htm (look at Mar 3). "Deep low tracks east coast, 20-30 inches of snow in western VA, Dove, DE wind gust to 70 mph and severe coastal erosion, seas 25 feet off of Hatteras, NC another one to two feet of snow from WV to New England. (Bob Ryan's 2000 Almanac) A major coastal storm was in progress over the mid-Atlantic and the northeast. Winds gusts hit 75 mph at Dover, DE. Big snows buried interior sections. Two day snowfall totals 33 inches at Burdett, NY, 30 inches at Frankfort Center, NY, 29 inches at Loganton, PA, 26 inches at Jay Peak, VT, and 22 inches at Frostburg, MD. The 8.7 inches of snow at Allentown, PA raised their seasonal snowfall to 69.2 inches for their snowiest winter ever. Boston's 8 inches pushed its seasonal snow to 89.5 inches for their snowiest winter as well. The maximum 24-hour snowfall total for the state of Virginia was set today with 33.5 inches at Luray , Virginia on March 2-3, 1994. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 The April 6, 1982 storm was the coldest Spring snow I ever recall. 20F for a daytime high that day as it snowed. Looking back at temp data it may show a much warmer high, but that's because high temps were realized at midnight and they crashed as the snow began.Then the next three days were very cold...as in sub freezing during the day with drifting. That's almost unheard of after an April event. It did turn about a week after the storm and two weeks to the day later it was 70F. I wish I was old enough to remember that storm. I heard about it from my folks, however. My oldest recollection of anything is after the Feb '83 storm..and that was hazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzo83 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Ah, yes I remember. I was looking around mid month and couldn't find what you meant, but I remember that one. I flipped to rain and then back to snow later that night. That was a big one for the interior iirc. That was huge for the VA hills and mtns. The winters of 92-93, 93-94, and 95-96 were just epic in those parts. 92-93 we had two blizzards (the Dec 92 one that annihilated you guys, we got about 12-15", and the superstorm), 93-94 epic ice and cold (we got down close to -20F a couple Jan mornings and some mega ice storms) and the march snowstorm, and 95-96, pretty sure that needs no explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 The winters of 92-93, 93-94, and 95-96 were just epic in those parts. 92-93 we had two blizzards (the Dec 92 one that annihilated you guys, we got about 12-15", and the superstorm), 93-94 epic ice and cold (we got down close to -20F a couple Jan mornings and some mega ice storms) and the march snowstorm, and 95-96, pretty sure that needs no explanation. My area where I was living actually got screwed in the Dec '92 storm. I lived in interior se mass, but we flipped to a mix and got dryslotted a bit. About 8 miles nw of me had 18" of snow..lol. In any case, the rest of the winter went on to be great..and the Dec '92 storm will always be remembered as the beginning of this current great stretch of winters. It wasn't until '95-'96 where I finally got my 2' snowstorm. I came close in '93-'94, but the jackpot was just to my east..closer to the coast where there was ocean effect snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 May be heading in a similar direction as I am sure the board denizens and you are all over... But I'm intrigued by the 00z, PSU E-Wall's D8-10 means product. First of all, a question: Is that the mean of recent operational runs, or is that the ensemble mean of the respective camps? I think it's the ensemble mean... Assuming so, what is interesting is that the 00z mean of the GEFs side is 180 out of phase with both CPC, and to some lesser extent but still out of phase is the CDC's calculations for the PNA. That GEF appeal is a blazing -PNA, but both agencies have the index recovering upwards some 2 total SD during that time. That's ...wrong. That aside, there is a clear operational Euro trend to make March - at least for 10 days worth - pretty exotically above normal. The first wave of positive departures sets in this next Wednesday and Thursday. 7-10C at 850 MB with a nice deep layer SW flow to mix the BL to unusual heights for this time of year ... the only thing stopping low to mid 70s on those two afternoons is the snow pack. I'm sure albedo will help lop some potential off the highs - not sure how much though. Thursday would obviously be the warmer of the two days; Wednesday 64F with 20kts SW flow should eat the snow back N of SNE with extreme rapidity. i believe they are both op runs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 The Euro is a little colder for this weekend's cooldown followed by warmth for a few days and then a backdoor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherMA Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 The Euro is a little colder for this weekend's cooldown followed by warmth for a few days and then a backdoor. 50+ for the rest of March cancel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I do like the cutoff potential down the road like Sam alluded to. Could be some nice heavy rains at times. the charts look like we've fast-forwarded to late april. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 the charts look like we've fast-forwarded to late april. I know....crazy how the jet just lifts into Canada like that. Back door or not, it's an absolute inferno for the CONUS. Big trough right at the west coast and positive NAO. Just en fuego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I remember the Dec. 1992 storm had like a second life on Saturday as it redeveloped a nice shield of snow as the low pulled south of NE. We got like 8 more inches in ENY on Saturday from that. Thre highest amount was 48" in like Windham, the Catskills. ALB got famously downsloped, but managed the Saturday snow. My area where I was living actually got screwed in the Dec '92 storm. I lived in interior se mass, but we flipped to a mix and got dryslotted a bit. About 8 miles nw of me had 18" of snow..lol. In any case, the rest of the winter went on to be great..and the Dec '92 storm will always be remembered as the beginning of this current great stretch of winters. It wasn't until '95-'96 where I finally got my 2' snowstorm. I came close in '93-'94, but the jackpot was just to my east..closer to the coast where there was ocean effect snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 I know....crazy how the jet just lifts into Canada like that. Back door or not, it's an absolute inferno for the CONUS. Big trough right at the west coast and positive NAO. Just en fuego. total speculation but i wonder if it sets us up for a late march or april dump of arctic air / vegetation killer. with the flow across canada locking all the cold up there (and it's still fooking frigid up north) any release later in the season could be potent as its not going to be release in dribs and drabs throughout march like we are used to seeing. of course...it may just lock up there until next november too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan11 Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Someone should posthumously analyze why the NAO has been so relentlessly positive all winter. Just a few periods of weak -NAO that maybe did coincide with our meager snow threats. Really it's the - NAO that plays a big role when we get cold/snow in March/April. Minus that the warm air just surges in unimpeded. I know....crazy how the jet just lifts into Canada like that. Back door or not, it's an absolute inferno for the CONUS. Big trough right at the west coast and positive NAO. Just en fuego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 total speculation but i wonder if it sets us up for a late march or april dump of arctic air / vegetation killer. with the flow across canada locking all the cold up there (and it's still fooking frigid up north) any release later in the season could be potent as its not going to be release in dribs and drabs throughout march like we are used to seeing. of course...it may just lock up there until next november too. You never know. All you need is a ridge to pop and dump that southeast. If that does happen, I hope the snow remains in southern Canada, otherwise it will probably modify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 You never know. All you need is a ridge to pop and dump that southeast. If that does happen, I hope the snow remains in southern Canada, otherwise it will probably modify. that may be wishful thinking - i know their means are lower this time of year, but some of those anomalies centered N of the GLs are insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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