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2012 March Banter Thread


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By mid-March you have to go to northern Alaska or extreme northern Canada to find normal highs below freezing.

You are not exactly an authority on the climatology of the Great White North....Churchill, Manitoba (that's one of the Praire Provinces...albeit the NE corner of one) has a normal April high temperature of 19 F and low of 5 F. In May it improves to an average high of 34 F and a low of 23 F.

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I think it's pretty safe to assume we have seen our last sub-freezing day until next winter.

Another post that while not an impossibility....generally has very little grounding in reality...unless we are talking about the NYC airports / CPK...where a disconnect from climatological reality is very much the norm...

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Another post that while not an impossibility....generally has very little grounding in reality...unless we are talking about the NYC airports / CPK...where a disconnect from climatological reality is very much the norm...

As usual, a nice dose of reality from William. Agreed, I've seen sub freezing lows as late as the end of May in central NJ, and we've seen plenty of April cold shots with 45F highs and 25-30F lows. I'd be willing to bet we will all see another sub freezing night (at least one). I can't, however, say the same thing for snowfall.

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As usual, a nice dose of reality from William. Agreed, I've seen sub freezing lows as late as the end of May in central NJ, and we've seen plenty of April cold shots with 45F highs and 25-30F lows. I'd be willing to bet we will all see another sub freezing night (at least one). I can't, however, say the same thing for snowfall.

I read some of these posts Tom...it reminds me of when I started getting interested in the weather...and there was a two week cold spell and I thought an Ice Age was imminent...or there was a two week hot spell in May...so I feared temperatures of 110 F in July...lol.

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Another post that while not an impossibility....generally has very little grounding in reality...unless we are talking about the NYC airports / CPK...where a disconnect from climatological reality is very much the norm...

what do you mean? their climo isn't real?

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Have you completely lost your mind? You live in Springfield. Your low temperatures can be 10 degrees colder than Newark Airport on a radiative night.

i was talking about the metro area... even then, i'm barely outside it. the real difference in low temps occurs a few miles west of here

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what makes this day 10 euro any different from the other day 10 maps which showed massive blocking?

Nothing. Which is why I made this post in the banter thread.

We just have to watch because lots of guidance is showing a developing block now for the same period.

That's all.

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GFS generally keeps the east coast ridging in the east through day 15. Even if a -NAO does develop (which the gfs shows) its not going to do squat (in terms of colder wx) with a +AO, and -PNA to go along with shortening wavelengths.

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Just saying, IF the 12z ECMWF were to verify and we somehow got blocking towards the end of the month...

Wouldn't it be ironic if we had a KU in October and another one in April?

Just like you said, what the euro has would just be a temporary cold blast in late march, nothing more. The raging -PNA is about to give birth to another east coast ridge on that map. And as we get into April, we literally need EVERY factor to come together for snow, same with march. Enjoy the warmth

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Just like you said, what the euro has would just be a temporary cold blast in late march, nothing more. The raging -PNA is about to give birth to another east coast ridge on that map. And as we get into April, we literally need EVERY factor to come together for snow, same with march. Enjoy the warmth

Not "same with March". Really Mar 15-Apr 15. After Apr 15, there is literally no chance of snow. Before Mar 15, it's easier to get snow.

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He means what you should know from four years of met school. Low temperatures in NYC are NOT representative of 98% of the metro area.

huh? low temps in the spring for NYC most likely means all of LI and maybe eastern NJ are cool, thats a huge area dude.

Edit: I mean low daytime highs in the spring.

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