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RUC progging 925mb winds near 65kts overnight into the morning hours across parts of MO, thats sick.

That's extremely impressive. That's a lot of momentum not all that far off the surface.

DVN going with 65 for us tomorrow. These early season strong WAA events always seem to overperform, so I wouldn't be surprised if we tag 70 tomorrow. No snow cover, and a dry ground (relative to the muddy slop we usually see this time of year) will only aid the temp ascension.

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Drove to Rochester this afternoon ...wind was just howling up on the ridge tops. Car was all over the place. Hit Trader Joes (love that place). Kids were screaming, wife was yelling... Maybe a tad more snow around that area. Pretty much been missed north and south this year it would seem.

La Crosse also has a lot fewer people...population of the city itself is only in the 50K range, with the outlying areas adding say another 20K or so (West Salem,Holmen, La Crescent)... Rochester, MN and Madison are much bigger (wealthier)...lot more opportunity elsewhere. Easy town to find a job, as long as you don't mind getting paid much... I will say...if you like to drink, this is Nirvana...alcohol is cheaper then water. I've never really been into MKE or DET...just been to Miller Park, the Domes and the zoo when I was younger, so really can't comment. I do like that you guys stay a heck of a lot warmer on winter nites...I can easily dip into the negative teens on clear/calm/snow covered nites. My sister lives in Appleton and likes it, but she still says she prefers Omaha (NE)....she grew up here in LSE. Still comes back (too often) to hit the bars.

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You just have to wonder if March will torch and we then get a hard April freeze. April 1975 saw a massive snowstorm and this winter has been somewhat similar to 1974-75.

I admit i am nervous about the warmer calls/end of winter stuff myself because this above normal temp streak we have been on for so long has to eventually end. Thus eventually the other shoe will have to drop. Just a matter of when.

Yeah i too think it is over but yeah as said i am a bit nervous about the call too.

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That's extremely impressive. That's a lot of momentum not all that far off the surface.

DVN going with 65 for us tomorrow. These early season strong WAA events always seem to overperform, so I wouldn't be surprised if we tag 70 tomorrow. No snow cover, and a dry ground (relative to the muddy slop we usually see this time of year) will only aid the temp ascension.

and with pretty much full sunshine.

Dodge City had a crazy diurnal swing today, 29 this morning to a high of I believe 77. That is stupid crazy.

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Temperature has been steady since around sunset tonight. Amazing that it hasn't dropped off with the mostly clear skies and snow on the ground still. Hopefully given the mild winter, the spring won't lead to crazy allergies. It has me wondering.

Seen the first Robin's and Red-winged Blackbirds return the last few days!

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One of the guys at work heard the forecast for tomorrow of near 60F. Of course he only listened to the temp part of the forecast so he is going to take a 1/2 day off and go golfing. The winds tomorrow are expected to be 25MPH with gust over 35MPH. I have learned not to interject my weather thoughts and opinions with co-workers any more so I don't plan on tell him the wind chills are going to be in the 30s & 40s. While it will be nice out I know it will not be what he is expecting. :whistle:

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SE/E WI is going to struggle with this 2 day warm up. Areas north of there will probably be in the low 40s at best. Today ended up being about 5° below guidance.

the warmup hasn't even really started out this way, lets wait until we get into a decent WAA flow first.

Temperature has been steady since around sunset tonight. Amazing that it hasn't dropped off with the mostly clear skies and snow on the ground still.

I tried

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One of the guys at work heard the forecast for tomorrow of near 60F. Of course he only listened to the temp part of the forecast so he is going to take a 1/2 day off and go golfing. The winds tomorrow are expected to be 25MPH with gust over 35MPH. I have learned not to interject my weather thoughts and opinions with co-workers any more so I don't plan on tell him the wind chills are going to be in the 30s & 40s. While it will be nice out I know it will not be what he is expecting. :whistle:

I told co workers back in September/October expect a brutal winter. Thanks to all the experts Im going to have to feel the wrath of this.

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I told co workers back in September/October expect a brutal winter. Thanks to all the experts Im going to have to feel the wrath of this.

Yeah. I find most people just do not understand a forecast. You say a slight chance of rain or snow and they expect a storm. You say mostly sunny and there is a few clouds and they spend hours tell you your forecast was wrong. You say 58 and it hits 60 and they say you were wrong.

I have learned not to say anything unless asked and even then I stay pretty basic and defining what it means. I don't know how many times hear people talk about the weather forecasts and totally misrepresent what was actually said.

EDIT: I was glad I didn't say much about this winter & the brutal long range forecasts. I would be getting a TON of crap right now.

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DVN going with 65 for us tomorrow. These early season strong WAA events always seem to overperform, so I wouldn't be surprised if we tag 70 tomorrow. No snow cover, and a dry ground (relative to the muddy slop we usually see this time of year) will only aid the temp ascension.

All winter we have consistently overperformed on the torch days and underperformed on days with snow cover and cold air advection. All the locals and nws are saying low 60s here today. That sounds about right given we started in the 30s and still have some snow to melt off. We may have more potential to overperform tomorrow with only 50s predicted.

I'm loving the medium range outlook. The latest Euro would likely give us 60s all next week. I hope we don't pay for this with another crappy April like last year.

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Sustained cold in April?? Even in the chilly April's that i remember they still had torches. The sun is starting to take over.

April is a fun month! You can have Severe, Torch, brutal cold, snowstorms followed by another torch. A mixed bag of extreme Midwestern weather.

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Sustained cold in April?? Even in the chilly April's that i remember they still had torches. The sun is starting to take over.

I am still not sold on a cold spring this year. We will have our chilly periods but I think they remain progressive.

Speaking of sun; I would take a 55-60F mostly sunny day with light/calm winds over a 65-70F overcast day with 20-30MPH winds.

Of course I would prefer we get in the mid-70s to low 80s and never look back but that is just a pipe dream.

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You just have to wonder if March will torch and we then get a hard April freeze. April 1975 saw a massive snowstorm and this winter has been somewhat similar to 1974-75.

If we do have an early greenup (which is looking very likely), you can bet that all midwest farmers will be cringing. The earlier stuff blooms, the more you have to worry about a spring frost/freeze ruining crops. It has happened many times in the past when things bloom too soon. I think one of the more infamous times was spring 1945. After a brutally cold winter ironically, March torched like no other. To this day it stands as Detroits warmest March on record (and im sure many other places as well). Spring vegetation was a full month ahead of schedule. Then April and moreso May freezes ruined crops, which means you will paying insane prices for some produce and stuff. No way you can avoid April frosts anywhere north of I80, and no way you can avoid them in the far north in May either.

1974-75 started (Dec 1st) and ended (Apr 2nd) with epic 20" wet snowstorms in SE MI. Dec 1st moreso around Detroit (but still snowed in Saginaw/Flint), Apr 2nd moreso Flint/Saginaw (but still snowed in Detroit).

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I told co workers back in September/October expect a brutal winter. Thanks to all the experts Im going to have to feel the wrath of this.

I did too. And Im always told they listen to me more than the "real weathermen" lol, esp since I have been right in recent years. Test is...will they hold one bust up against many good calls for years to come? When giving next winters forecast (regardless of whether its cold/snowy or mild), make sure you start with "well, we were certainly overdue for a mild winter", and esp for your coworkers, remind them that winters on either side of '82-83 were harsh.

My mom already gave me a free pass lol. She said "I knew we were bound to get a winter like this soon after all those good years in a row". Maybe I should put a little more faith in karma/climo than hype/enso next time!

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If we do have an early greenup (which is looking very likely), you can bet that all midwest farmers will be cringing. The earlier stuff blooms, the more you have to worry about a spring frost/freeze ruining crops. It has happened many times in the past when things bloom too soon. I think one of the more infamous times was spring 1945. After a brutally cold winter ironically, March torched like no other. To this day it stands as Detroits warmest March on record (and im sure many other places as well). Spring vegetation was a full month ahead of schedule. Then April and moreso May freezes ruined crops, which means you will paying insane prices for some produce and stuff. No way you can avoid April frosts anywhere north of I80, and no way you can avoid them in the far north in May either.

1974-75 started (Dec 1st) and ended (Apr 2nd) with epic 20" wet snowstorms in SE MI. Dec 1st moreso around Detroit (but still snowed in Saginaw/Flint), Apr 2nd moreso Flint/Saginaw (but still snowed in Detroit).

This is going to be an incredibly early frost out for farmers around here.

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