andyhb Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Large 30% area with sig-hatched across much of the Deep South for Thursday Evening/Overnight: DAY 3 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOKNWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0230 AM CST TUE FEB 21 2012 VALID 231200Z - 241200Z ...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS FROM SRN AND ERN TX INTO A PORTION OF THE SERN STATES... ...SYNOPSIS... MODELS HAVE CONVERGED TO SIMILAR SOLUTIONS WITH REGARD TO EVOLUTION OF SYNOPTIC PATTERN. BROAD UPPER TROUGH WILL REMAIN DOMINANT...AND THIS FEATURE IS FORECAST TO AMPLIFY OVER THE MS VALLEY AS A STRONG UPPER JET DROPS SEWD THROUGH THE INTERMOUNTAIN WEST...REACHING THE SRN PLAINS TOWARD THE END OF THE PERIOD. MEANWHILE...SWLY LLJ WILL STRENGTHEN OVER THE SERN STATES AND OH VALLEY IN ASSOCIATION WITH THE AMPLIFYING NRN STREAM TROUGH. ECMWF HAS TRENDED TOWARD A SLOWER EJECTION OF SRN STREAM UPPER LOW THAT WILL CUTOFF OVER NRN MEXICO AND IS NOW SIMILAR TO THE GFS WITH THE NAM STILL BEING THE SLOWEST MODEL. THE UPPER LOW WILL LIKELY REACH SRN TX LATER THURSDAY NIGHT. AT THE SURFACE PRIMARY CYCLONE IS FORECAST TO CONSOLIDATE OVER THE OH VALLEY OR GREAT LAKES WHILE A TRAILING COLD FRONT ADVANCES SEWD THROUGH THE SRN PLAINS...LOWER MS VALLEY AND INTO WRN PORTIONS OF THE SERN STATES. ...SERN STATES... POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT SEVERE WEATHER WILL EXIST THURSDAY EVENING AND OVERNIGHT. STRENGTHENING SWLY BOUNDARY LAYER WINDS WILL CONTRIBUTE TO NEWD TRANSPORT OF MODIFYING GULF AIR WITH DEWPOINTS FROM THE UPPER 60S OVER SRN AND ERN TX INTO THE GULF COASTAL STATES TO NEAR 50 OVER SRN PORTIONS OF THE OH VALLEY. GREATEST INSTABILITY WILL LIKELY DEVELOP OVER THE LOWER MS VALLEY REGION JUST AHEAD OF THE FRONT WHERE PLUME OF STEEPER LAPSE RATES WILL ADVECT EWD AND OVERTAKE THE WRN EDGE OF THE MOIST AXIS. MLCAPE IN THIS REGION COULD RANGE FROM 1000-1500 J/KG. HOWEVER...THE RETURNING LOW LEVEL MOISTURE MIGHT CONTRIBUTE TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF CLOUDS OVER A PORTION OF THIS REGION...AND THE ATMOSPHERE WILL LIKELY REMAIN CAPPED TO SURFACE BASED CONVECTION MUCH OF THE DAY. MODEL CONSENSUS IS THAT STORMS WILL DEVELOP BY EARLY EVENING IN ZONE OF HEIGHT FALLS AND INCREASING FRONTAL CONVERGENCE ASSOCIATED WITH THE AMPLIFYING WAVE AND STRENGTHENING LLJ. ACTIVITY WILL EXIST WITHIN A STRONG KINEMATIC ENVIRONMENT AS LLJ INCREASES TO IN EXCESS OF 50 KT WITH STRONG DEEP LAYER WINDS AND VERTICAL SHEAR. THIS ENVIRONMENT WILL SUPPORT ORGANIZED STORMS INCLUDING SUPERCELLS AND BOWING STRUCTURES WITH UPSCALE GROWTH LIKELY OVERNIGHT. LARGE HAIL...DAMAGING WIND AND A FEW TORNADOES WILL BE POSSIBLE AS STORMS DEVELOP EWD. ...OH VALLEY... MOISTURE AND INSTABILITY WILL BE MORE LIMITED WITH NWD EXTENT INTO THE OH VALLEY WITH MUCAPE AOB 500 J/KG LIKELY. FORCING WITHIN FRONTAL ZONE WILL PROMOTE A LOW TOPPED LINE OF CONVECTION EMBEDDED WITHIN STRONG VERTICAL SHEAR DURING THE AFTERNOON AND EVENING. DESPITE THE LIMITED INSTABILITY SOME THREAT WILL EXIST FOR ISOLATED DAMAGING WIND. LOW SEVERE PROBABILITIES HAVE BEEN INTRODUCED...BUT AREA MAY NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN A SLIGHT RISK IN LATER OUTLOOKS. ...TX... A FEW STORMS WILL PROBABLY DEVELOP ALONG SWRN EXTENSION OF THE FRONT INTO ERN AND SRN TX WHERE STEEP LAPSE RATES AND A MOIST BOUNDARY LAYER WILL PROMOTE MODERATE INSTABILITY. HOWEVER...THE ATMOSPHERE IN THIS REGION WILL BE MORE CAPPED AND COVERAGE OF STORMS...ESPECIALLY ACROSS SRN TX WILL BE MODULATED BY TIMING OF SRN STREAM WAVE. ANY STORMS THAT DEVELOP WILL BE CAPABLE OF MAINLY ISOLATED DAMAGING WIND AND HAIL. ..DIAL.. 02/21/2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted February 21, 2012 Author Share Posted February 21, 2012 Day 4 as well: DAY 4-8 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0309 AM CST TUE FEB 21 2012 VALID 241200Z - 291200Z ...DISCUSSION... /DAY 4/ A THREAT FOR SIGNIFICANT SEVERE STORMS WILL LIKELY PERSIST OVER ERN PORTIONS OF THE SERN STATES FROM NRN FL...GA INTO THE CAROLINAS AND THE DELMARVA REGION IN ASSOCIATION WITH AMPLIFYING UPPER TROUGH AND ATTENDANT STRENGTHENING KINEMATIC FIELDS WITHIN MOIST WARM SECTOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted February 21, 2012 Author Share Posted February 21, 2012 Tremendous LLJ on the 00z Euro at 96 hrs (shift it back westward across the Carolinas at 90 hrs and peak heating and that looks damn ugly): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalicwx366 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 NWS Jacksonvile...... .LONG TERM...FRIDAY THROUGH MONDAY FRIDAY IS BEGINNING TO SHAPE UP AS A NASTY DAY AS A STRONG COLD FRONT PUSHES THROUGH. TIGHT GRADIENT AHEAD OF THE FRONT WILL RESULT IN WINDY CONDITIONS WITH GUSTS OVER 40 MPH. TEMPERATURES WILL PUSH INTO THE 80S AHEAD OF THE COLD FRONT (POSSIBLY MID TO UPPER 80S OVER SOUTHEAST PORTIONS OF THE AREA). A STRONG LOW LEVEL JET (50 KTS AT 850 MB) WILL ACCOMPANY THIS SYSTEM. ALSO OF CONCERN IS THAT THE AREA WILL BE WITHIN THE RIGHT ENTRANCE REGION OF THE UPPER LEVEL JET AXIS. STRONG TO SEVERE STORMS WILL BE A CONCERN IF THIS SOLUTION HOLDS AND THE FRONT COMES THROUGH DURING THE DAY. EVEN WITHOUT SEVERE STORMS...DANGEROUS WIND GUSTS WILL BE POSSIBLE EVEN OUTSIDE OF CONVECTION. LOCAL INTERESTS SHOULD CONTINUE TO MONITOR THIS DEVELOPING SITUATION. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downeastnc Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Some snippets from MHXand ILM overnight disco........ sounds like the timing and conditions could be prime for a rough afternoon gonna be interesting to see how the models evolve the threat.. MHX HOWEVER...THE BEST DYNAMICS LOOKS TO BE FRIDAY AFTERNOON/EVENING AHEAD OF THE FRONT WITH AN IMPRESSIVE LOW LEVEL JET SIGNATURE. THE 00Z EURO WITH AROUND A 90 KT 850MB JET ALONG THE COASTAL PLAIN...AND THE GFS NOT FAR OFF AROUND 80KTS OFFSHORE. THIS ALONG WITH PLENTY OF SFC BASED LIFT...PWATS AOA 1.5"...AND UPPER LEVEL FORCING WILL INCREASE THE CHANCE FOR AMPLE AMOUNT OF FORCING. HAVE PLACED MUCH OF THE CWA IN ISO THUNDER WITH MARGINAL CAPE VALUES THIS FAR OUT. ILM HAVE BEEN EXAMINING CONVECTIVE POTENTIAL BASED OFF PREVIOUS DISCUSSION...AND TEND TO AGREE THAT IT IS STILL A BIT EARLY TO MENTION THUNDER IN THE FORECAST DUE TO CONTINUING TIMING ISSUES AND UNCERTAINTY...BUT WILL DISCUSS HERE THE POTENTIAL. STRONG LOW LEVEL CONVERGENCE AHEAD OF THIS BOUNDARY IN A WARM AND RATHER HUMID AIRMASS WILL SUPPORT DEEP LIFT OF PARCELS. THIS OCCURS IN CONJUNCTION WITH A MODELED 60 KT LLJ MOVING OVERHEAD...AND THE CAROLINAS ENTERING THE RIGHT ENTRANCE PORTION OF A 130KT 300MB JET STREAK. ADDITIONALLY...FORECAST SOUNDINGS DEPICT THAT SURFACE BASED INSTABILITY WILL BE PRESENT...AND MID-LEVEL LAPSE RATES WILL APPROACH 7C/KM. HOWEVER...THE COMBINATION OF SOME TIMING ISSUES (IE...WILL IT SLOW TO A NOCTURNAL EVENT)...BEST MOISTURE BEING WELL AHEAD OF THE FRONT...AND BEST UPPER SUPPORT MISSING TO THE NORTH...PROMPTS ONLY HIGH CHANCE OF CONVECTIVE SHOWERS AS THE POP/WX FOR NOW. IF THUNDER BECOMES MORE LIKELY...THE PRESENCE OF THE STRONG LLJ WOULD PROMOTE THE POTENTIAL FOR DAMAGING WINDS...BUT IT IS FAR TOO EARLY TO ADDRESS THIS IN ANY FORECAST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguy3107 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 FFC still unimpressed as usual: GFS SHOWS AROUND 200 SURFACE BASED CAPE NOSING UP INTO THE ATLANTA AREA JUST AHEAD OF THE FRONT ON FRIDAY. THIS COUPLED WITH A 50KT LOW LEVEL JET AND MODERATE UPPER SHORT-WAVE SUPPORT HAS WARRANTED ADDING A SLIGHT CHANCE OF THUNDERSTORMS TO THE ZONES ON FRIDAY. ...while BHM ramping up their wording: ...MODERATE DEGREE OF INSTABILITY TO SUPPORT THUNDERSTORMS AS A SURFACE COLD FRONT APPROACHES AND MOVES THROUGH THE AREA THURSDAY NIGHT. WIND AND BULK SHEAR CHARTS ALSO SUGGEST AN INCREASING THREAT OF SEVERE STORMS...INCLUDING TORNADOES. THE SPC DAY 3 OUTLOOK LAYS OUT THE PARTICULARS RATHER WELL. AND WHILE THERE ARE STILL MANY TIMING AND POSITIONING DETAILS TO BE WORKED OUT...I THINK IT IS PRUDENT TO KICK OUR HWO WORDING AND THREATS UP A NOTCH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanc2001 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 early thoughts are the cold (relatively speaking) marine layer for us near the beach will stabilze the atmosphere to below severe levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevDodd Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 The folks in Raleigh are taking a cautious approach, citing low CAPE vales: "MODELS SHOW ANOTHER SOUTHERN STREAM UPPER LEVEL TROUGH/LOW DIGGING INTO THE SOUTHWESTERN UNITED STATES AND NORTHERN MEXICO TUESDAY INTO WEDNESDAY AND EVENTUALLY EJECTING EASTWARD AND AFFECTING CENTRAL NORTH CAROLINA THURSDAY INTO FRIDAY. DURING THE SAME TIME FRAME...A NORTHERN STREAM TROUGH WILL AMPLIFY AS IT MOVES INTO THE CENTRAL UNITED STATES...PROMOTING SURFACE CYCLOGENESIS ACROSS THE TENNESSEE AND OHIO VALLEY. THE ASSOCIATED SURFACE COLD FRONT IS FORECAST TO MOVE THROUGH CENTRAL NORTH CAROLINA FRIDAY AFTERNOON AND EVENING. ALL OF THIS WILL RESULT IN PRECIPITATION CHANCES INCREASING LATE THURSDAY...WITH THE BEST TIME FRAME FOR SHOWERS COINCIDING WITH THE FRONTAL PASSAGE DURING THE DAY ON FRIDAY. AHEAD OF THE FRONT...STRONG SOUTHWESTERLY SURFACE FLOW WILL PUSH TEMPERATURES INTO THE UPPER 60S TO LOWER 70S ACROSS AREA ON BOTH THURSDAY AND FRIDAY. ALSO...MOISTURE WILL POOL AHEAD OF THE APPROACHING FRONT...WITH MAXIMUM PRECIPITABLE WATER VALUES FORECAST TO RANGE BETWEEN ONE AND ONE AND A HALF INCHES. THIS SHOULD RESULT IN SOME WEAK INSTABILITY OVER EASTERN NORTH CAROLINA...ALTHOUGH CURRENT FORECAST SOUNDINGS SHOW VERY MARGINAL CAPE VALUES. NEVERTHELESS...WILL MAINTAIN THE MENTION OF A SLIGHT CHANCE OF THUNDER ACROSS THE COASTAL PLAIN...ESPECIALLY SINCE THE FRONTAL PASSAGE IS EXPECTED TO OCCUR DURING A FAVORABLE TIME OF DAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguy3107 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 The forecast high on Thursday for this area is around 71 degrees....definitely warmer than the last several of our winter threats. I'm at work and haven't taken a look at any of the models to see whether a CAD could squash any instability or not. With highs in the lower 70's I would think instability should be a little higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrips27 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Impressive outlook from the SPC. I can't remember the last time I was in a 30% hatched area at Day 3. Spann's thinking: http://www.alabamawx.com/?p=57212 I thought this was interesting... "IMPORTANT NOTE: I have stated that I will no longer say “this is event is NOTHING like April 27″. I can say that about every severe weather threat on my watch for the rest of my life, most likely. I think the people of Alabama clearly understand this now. There won’t be any more April 27 type events for a long time, but there will be many tornado threats every year, and we have to pay attention to all of them. It just takes one tornado for that event to become one families “April 27″. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE COLUMBIA SC 207 PM EST TUE FEB 21 2012 THEN THE RAIN CHANCES SHOULD BEGIN TO INCREASE THURSDAY NIGHT IN ADVANCE OF THE NEXT SYSTEM. MODELS STARTING TO COME INTO BETTER AGREEMENT FOR THE SYSTEM LATE THURSDAY INTO FRIDAY...ALTHOUGH THERE IS STILL SOME TIMING AND STRENGTH DETAILS. WILL CONTINUE TO GO WITH CHANCE POPS FOR THE END OF THE WEEK. EXPECTING MAINLY SHOWERS WITH THIS SYSTEM...ALTHOUGH CAN NOT RULE OUT A LITTLE THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY ALONG THE FRONT. Does anyone know where to find the STP (significant tornado) maps etc that Spann used in that video? Nevermind, they're located at http://www.wxcaster.com/weather.php3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavarreDon Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 GSP is starting to look at Thurs. in the short term: .SHORT TERM /WEDNESDAY NIGHT THROUGH FRIDAY/... AS OF 230 PM TUESDAY...A WARM AND MOIST AIR MASS WILL DEVELOP OVER THE REGION DURING THE MID WEEK. WEDNESDAY EVENING...A SHORT WAVE IS EXPECTED TO RIPPLE WITHIN A LONGWAVE TROF AXIS ACROSS THE SOUTHERN APPALACHIAN REGION DURING THE EARLY EVENING HOURS. GUSTY SOUTHWEST WINDS ARE FORECAST TO BRING RISING DEWPOINTS ACROSS THE FORECAST AREA...GENERALLY RANGING IN THE MID TO UPPER 40S. AN AREA OF TSRA/SHRA IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP DURING THE AFTERNOON UPSTREAM OF THE REGION...STEERING FLOW WILL TRANSPORT THE CONVECTION NORTHEAST ACROSS GEORGIA AND THE WESTERN CAROLINAS. DURING THE EVENING HOURS...FORECAST SOUNDINGS INDICATE THAT CAPE VALUES WILL RANGE FROM 100 TO 400 J/KG ACROSS THE CWA. IN ADDITION...SWEAT VALUES WILL PEAK BETWEEN 300-400 WITH EHI VALUES AROUND 1...THE CORE OF A H3 140 KT JET WILL REMAIN ACROSS THE MIDLANDS AND COASTAL AREAS. GIVEN THE BROAD FIELD OF WEAK INSTABILITY AND STRONG WIND FIELDS...IT IS REASONABLE TO EXPECT ORGANIZED MCS TO SURVIVE INTO THE EVENING HOURS ACROSS THE CWA. I WILL MAINTAIN CHC POPS ACROSS THE MTNS AND FOOTHILLS...SCHC EAST OF I-85. THE POTENTIAL EXIST THAT ANY ORGANIZED CONVECTION COULD PRODUCE DAMAGING WINDS DURING THE EVENING...SUPPORTED BY SPC DY2 SLIGHT RISK AREA. I WILL HIGHLIGHT THE RISK FOR DAMAGING TSRA WINDS IN THE HWO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downeastnc Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 MHX says timing is going to crap looking more like a Friday night threat... LARGE DETERMINISTIC MODEL SPREAD EXISTS FOR THE ARRIVAL OF A STRONG COLD FRONT FRIDAY/FRIDAY NIGHT BUT MODEL CONSENSUS FAVORS A SLOWER SOLUTION WITH THE FRONTAL PASSAGE SOMETIME FRI NIGHT. THE LATER FRONTAL ARRIVAL SUGGESTS THE POSSIBILITY OF A THREAT OF SEVERE WEATHER FRIDAY GIVEN THE INCREASING DIURNAL INSTABILITY COUPLED WITH IMPRESSIVE JET STRUCTURE. LOTS OF TIME TO ADD DETAILS AS CONFIDENCE INCREASES HEADING INTO FRIDAY BUT FOR NOW HAVE EXPANDED ISO TSTMS TO INCLUDE THE ENTIRE CWA WHILE MAINTAINING LIKELY POPS ON FRIDAY WITH DECREASING PCPN CHCS FRIDAY NIGHT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguy3107 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 SPC has bumped up their day 2 outlook with a slight risk for parts of the SE so Wednesday could look a little stormy as well. Looks like another primarily high shear low CAPE situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrips27 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Any reason to expect a moderate risk in tonight's update? I really can't see it unless something changes on tonight's models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguy3107 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Any reason to expect a moderate risk in tonight's update? I really can't see it unless something changes on tonight's models. I wouldnt think so, but of course if the models really ramped up the instability then it would be possible, but as of now I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye05 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Looks like this is gonna be a QLCS/derecho event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrasher Fan Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 This is my nitch in the weather world and I'm late to the party. Bad job by me. Here is the latest SPC outlook: DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 1146 PM CST TUE FEB 21 2012 VALID 221200Z - 231200Z ...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS FOR THE TN VALLEY AND SRN APPALACHIANS... ...SYNOPSIS... A BROAD UPPER TROUGH AND ASSOCIATED BELT OF 60+ KT MIDLEVEL WLYS WILL RESIDE ACROSS THE CNTRL AND ERN CONUS TODAY. A SERIES OF EMBEDDED IMPULSES WILL RESIDE WITHIN THE TROUGH...WITH ONE OF THESE FEATURES EXITING THE GREAT LAKES REGION DURING THE AFTERNOON. A POSITIVELY TILTED TROUGH AXIS EXTENDING SWWD FROM THE GREAT LAKES DISTURBANCE WILL FRACTURE DURING THE DAY...WITH A SECOND IMPULSE LOCATED EARLY THIS MORNING OVER THE SRN PLAINS MOVING QUICKLY EWD ACROSS THE TN VALLEY DURING THE LATE MORNING AND EARLY AFTERNOON. MEANWHILE...A SECOND UPPER DISTURBANCE WILL MOVE OUT OF THE CNTRL PLAINS AND INTO THE SERN CONUS BY TONIGHT. IN THE LOW-LEVELS...SWLY FLOW WILL STRENGTHEN DURING THE DAY FROM THE GULF COAST STATES NEWD INTO THE MID-ATLANTIC REGION...WHICH WILL ASSIST IN MOISTURE TRANSPORT INTO THE TN VALLEY AND SRN APPALACHIANS BY AFTERNOON. ...TN VALLEY AND SRN APPALACHIANS... SURFACE OBSERVATIONS EARLY THIS MORNING SHOW UPR 50S TO MID 60S DEWPOINTS RESIDING OVER THE GULF COAST REGION. AS LOW-LEVEL SWLY WINDS INCREASE DURING THE MORNING AND AFTERNOON...THIS MOISTURE WILL RAPIDLY ADVANCE INTO THE TN VALLEY AND SRN APPALACHIANS WITH MID 50S DEWPOINTS BECOMING COMMON ACROSS THE REGION. MEANWHILE A SHORTWAVE IMPULSE WILL MOVE FROM THE SRN PLAINS INTO THE TN VALLEY BY LATE MORNING/EARLY AFTERNOON. ASCENT ASSOCIATED WITH THIS FEATURE COMBINED WITH DESTABILIZATION ABOVE AN INITIALLY STABLE NEAR SURFACE AIRMASS WILL FAVOR ELEVATED THUNDERSTORM DEVELOPMENT OVER PORTIONS OF ERN AR AND WRN TN/NRN MS. AHEAD OF THESE STORMS...SURFACE TEMPERATURES WILL WARM INTO THE 60S OVER MOST OF TN...NERN MS...NRN AL AND NRN GA...FAVORING THE DEVELOPMENT OF SBCAPE VALUES NEAR 500 J/KG AS MOISTURE CONTINUES TO ADVECT N-NEWD INTO THE REGION. AS THE WRN IMPULSE MOVES E ACROSS THE AREA...THIS SHOULD LEAD TO AN INCREASING THREAT FOR SURFACE BASED THUNDERSTORMS AS THE INITIAL ELEVATED STORM ACTIVITY NEAR THE W END OF THE SLGT RISK ENCOUNTERS INCREASINGLY BUOYANT BOUNDARY LAYER PARCELS OVER TN. IN ADDITION STORMS OF A MORE ISOLATED/DISCRETE NATURE MAY DEVELOP S OF THE THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY MOVING ACROSS TN...PARTICULARLY AS A SECOND UPPER DISTURBANCE APPROACHES THE AREA TOWARD LATE AFTERNOON/EVENING. MODEL GUIDANCE INDICATES MIDLEVEL WLYS WILL INTENSIFY SLIGHTLY TO 60-90 KT DURING THE AFTERNOON IN RESPONSE TO SEVERAL UPPER IMPULSES MOVING ACROSS THE ERN HALF OF THE NATION. AS THIS OCCURS...A LOW-LEVEL SWLY JET WILL ALSO STRENGTHEN TO 40 KT. THIS WIND PROFILE WILL FAVOR STRONG VERTICAL WIND SHEAR /I.E. 0-6 KM BULK WIND DIFFERENCE NEAR 70 KT/ AND FAST EWD STORM MOTIONS IN EXCESS OF 40 KT ACROSS THE WARM SECTOR. THE COMBINATION OF STRONG DEEP-LAYER WLY FLOW...FAST MOVING STORMS...AND DIURNAL STEEPENING OF LOW-LEVEL LAPSE RATES WILL SUPPORT A DAMAGING WIND THREAT ACROSS THE SLGT RISK AREA. IN ADDITION...INCREASING WIND FIELDS TOWARD LATE AFTERNOON WILL LEAD TO HODOGRAPH STRUCTURE BECOMING VERY FAVORABLE FOR SUPERCELL THUNDERSTORMS...WITH EFFECTIVE SRH VALUES FORECAST TO RANGE FROM 200-400 M2 S-2. THUS...LARGE HAIL AND A FEW TORNADOES WILL ALSO BE POSSIBLE. ...GULF COAST REGION OF MS...AL AND THE FL PANHANDLE... WEAK ASCENT AND A MOISTENING BOUNDARY LAYER WILL SPREAD INTO THE GULF COAST REGION OF MS...AL AND THE FL PANHANDLE BY AFTERNOON. AS SURFACE DEWPOINTS APPROACH THE MID 60S AND TEMPERATURES WARM INTO THE UPR 60S TO LOW 70S...MLCAPE VALUES NEAR 500 J/KG WILL BE POSSIBLE...AND WILL AID IN SHOWER DEVELOPMENT WITH EMBEDDED THUNDERSTORMS. IN ADDITION...AS THE AFTERNOON PROGRESSES LOW-LEVEL WIND PROFILES WILL GRADUALLY STRENGTHEN...WHICH WILL RESULT IN SUFFICIENTLY STRONG VERTICAL WIND SHEAR FOR ROTATING UPDRAFTS THAT MAY POSE A MARGINAL THREAT FOR DAMAGING WIND GUSTS OR A BRIEF TORNADO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted February 22, 2012 Author Share Posted February 22, 2012 New Day 1 graphics: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyhb Posted February 22, 2012 Author Share Posted February 22, 2012 30% sig-hatched removed from Thursday's outlook, thermodynamics looking very questionable at this time: DAY 2 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOKNWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0102 AM CST WED FEB 22 2012 VALID 231200Z - 241200Z ...THERE IS A SLGT RISK OF SVR TSTMS FROM SERN TX INTO A PORTION OF THE SERN STATES AND SRN PORTIONS OF THE OH VALLEY... ...SYNOPSIS... TREND HAS BEEN FOR NAM AND GFS TO CONVERGE TO SIMILAR SOLUTIONS REGARDING EVOLUTION OF BOTH NRN AND SRN STREAMS...WITH THE ECMWF STILL INDICATING AT LEAST MODEST DIFFERENCES. MODEL CONSENSUS IS THAT A BROAD UPPER TROUGH WILL AMPLIFY OVER THE ERN STATES AS A SHORTWAVE TROUGH DROPS SEWD FROM NRN ROCKY MOUNTAIN REGION INTO THE MID MS VALLEY. HOWEVER...GFS AND NAM REMAIN MORE PROGRESSIVE WITH NRN STREAM TROUGH THAN THE ECMWF. ECMWF HAS TRENDED TOWARD NAM AND GFS REGARDING SRN STREAM CUTOFF LOW...AND ALL MODELS NOW INDICATE THIS FEATURE WILL REMAIN OVER NRN MEXICO THIS PERIOD. SFC LOW PRESSURE WILL CONSOLIDATE OVER THE OH VALLEY AND LIFT NEWD OVERNIGHT WITHIN EXIT REGION OF UPPER JET THAT WILL STRENGTHEN ALONG BASE OF UPPER TROUGH. THE TRAILING COLD FRONT WILL ADVANCE THROUGH A PORTION OF THE SERN STATES AND TX. ...TN AND OH VALLEYS... AXIS OF MODEST BOUNDARY LAYER MOISTURE WITH 50-55 F DEWPOINTS WILL ADVECT THROUGH PRE-FRONTAL WARM SECTOR ACROSS TN AND KY DURING THE DAY BENEATH 6.5-7 C/KM MID LEVEL LAPSE RATES. THIS WILL RESULT IN SOME DESTABILIZATION AS THE BOUNDARY LAYER WARMS. HOWEVER...MUCAPE SHOULD REMAIN AOB 500 J/KG OWING TO LIMITED LOW LEVEL MOISTURE. THE STEEPER MID LEVEL LAPSE RATES WILL BE ASSOCIATED WITH A REMNANT EML THAT WILL CAP THE WARM SECTOR. HOWEVER...AN INCREASE IN FRONTOGENETIC FORCING AND DEEPER ASCENT ASSOCIATED WITH IMPULSE MOVING THROUGH BASE OF AMPLIFYING TROUGH SHOULD CONTRIBUTE TO THUNDERSTORM INITIATION FROM KY SWD INTO THE TN VALLEY BY LATE AFTERNOON. THERMODYNAMIC PROFILES SUGGEST STORMS WILL BE LOWER TOPPED...BUT ACTIVITY WILL BE EMBEDDED WITHIN STRONG LOW-MID LEVEL JETS WITH EFFECTIVE SHEAR OF 50+ KT AND SIZEABLE 0-1 KM HODOGRAPHS. THE MARGINAL THERMODYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT COULD POTENTIALLY SERVE AS A LIMITING FACTOR...BUT SOME THREAT WILL EXIST FOR MAINLY ISOLATED DAMAGING WIND...HAIL AND PERHAPS A TORNADO OR TWO THROUGH EARLY-MID EVENING. ...SERN STATES... HAVE SCALED BACK ON SEVERE PROBABILITIES DUE IN PART TO POTENTIAL LIMITING FACTORS LIKELY TO BE IMPOSED BY EXPECTED THERMODYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT. IT ALSO APPEARS THAT SRN STREAM CUTOFF UPPER LOW NOW OVER CNTRL BAJA WILL NOT AFFECT THIS REGION LATE THURSDAY NIGHT AS PREVIOUSLY ADVERTISED BY EARLIER ECMWF RUNS. THE 850 MB TRAJECTORIES WILL REMAIN WLY UNTIL THURSDAY AFTERNOON WHEN FLOW WILL BEGIN TO BACK SLIGHTLY IN RESPONSE TO AMPLIFYING TROUGH. THE WLY TRAJECTORIES SHOULD LIMIT NWD EXTENT OF QUALITY MOISTURE JUST ABOVE THE SURFACE...BUT RICHER BOUNDARY LAYER MOISTURE SHOULD ADVECT INTO SRN HALF OF SERN STATES. WARMER AIR ALOFT AT BASE OF EWD ADVECTING EML WILL CONTRIBUTE TO A CAP OVER MUCH OF THE WARM SECTOR. GIVEN DEEPER FRONTAL FORCING WILL REMAIN FARTHER NORTH ACROSS TN AND OH VALLEYS...CONFIDENCE IS NOT HIGH THAT STORMS WILL INITIATE IN THIS AREA DURING THE AFTERNOON. THUNDERSTORM POTENTIAL MAY INCREASE LATER THURSDAY NIGHT AS THE COLD FRONT ADVANCES SEWD AND INTERACTS WITH RICHER MOISTURE RESIDING OVER CNTRL PORTIONS OVER THE SERN STATES. STRONG VERTICAL SHEAR WILL SUPPORT A THREAT OF ORGANIZED STORMS. GIVEN STRONG LINEAR FORCING...POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR STORMS TO GROW UPSCALE...BUT EMBEDDED SUPERCELL AND BOWING STRUCTURES WILL BE POSSIBLE. ...ERN AND SRN TX... A FEW STORMS COULD STILL DEVELOP ALONG SWRN EXTENSION OF THE FRONT INTO SERN AND SRN TX WHERE STEEP LAPSE RATES AND A MOIST BOUNDARY LAYER WILL PROMOTE MODERATE INSTABILITY. HOWEVER...THE ATMOSPHERE IN THIS REGION WILL BE MORE CAPPED...AND COVERAGE OF STORMS COULD BE LIMITED. CURRENT INDICATIONS ARE THAT STORMS MAY INITIATE POST FRONTAL OVERNIGHT WITHIN ZONE OF DEEPER LIFT. ANY STORMS THAT DEVELOP WILL BE CAPABLE OF MAINLY ISOLATED HAIL AND GUSTY WINDS. ..DIAL.. 02/22/2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NrnILStormChaser Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I am not seeing a major event shaping up here for Thursday. Meager instability, strong unidirectional wind fields, lack of boundary layer moisture, dry air at h85, capping inversion and weak convergence. It is easy to see why the SPC backed off on a bold 30% hatched. As things evolve I can see areas closer to the Gulf lighting up into a linear mess. If storms are able to develop and sustain themselves.... strong winds aloft would promote damaging winds as downdrafts bring those 50-60 kt winds just above the surface down. 2% tor, 15% wind, 5% hail if I had to make an outlook right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavarreDon Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 GSP afd for today: .NEAR TERM /THROUGH TONIGHT/... AS OF DAYBREAK...A FINGER OF LOW CLOUDINESS WAS DEVELOPING FROM NE GEORGIA INTO THE UPSTATE...GENERALLY S OF I-85. THE CLOUDS WILL CONTINUE TO BUILD EAST FOR ANOTHER HOUR OR SO BEFORE THE WARMING BOUNDARY LAYER LIFTS AND SCATTERS THEM. WE SHOULD GET A WARMER START THAN THE LAST SEVERAL DAYS...SO THIS WILL HAVE TO BE WATCHED FOR HOW IT AFFECTS THE HIGH TEMP LATER THIS MORNING. FOR TODAY AND TONIGHT...WE WILL REMAIN NEAR THE BOTTOM OF A BROAD LONG WAVE TROF WITH FAST-MOVING FLOW ALOFT...THAT WILL QUICKLY TRANSPORT A WEAK SHORT WAVE ACROSS THE PLAINS AND EVENTUALLY OVERHEAD THIS EVENING. AT THE SAME TIME...JET DYNAMICS ARE SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE WITH ONE JET STREAK MOVING OFF THE CAROLINA COAST AND ANOTHER DIVING THROUGH THE TROF TO OUR WEST. THIS WILL SET THE STAGE FOR A FAVORABLE ENVIRONMENT FOR CONVECTION LATER IN THE DAY AS THE GULF MOISTURE PLUME ADVECTS HIGHER DEWPT AIR AHEAD OF THE APPROACHING UPPER WAVE. PRECIP CHANCES WILL BE RAMPED UP FROM THE WEST IN THE AFTERNOON...TO THE CHANCE RANGE OVER THE MTNS AND NE GEORGIA IN RESPONSE...AND THEN CARRIED OUT OVER THE FOOTHILLS AND PIEDMONT IN THE EVENING AS THE WAVE PASSES. THE MAIN CONCERN IS OUR SEVERE WEATHER POTENTIAL. MID LEVEL FLOW WILL INCREASE LATE IN THE DAY WITH THE SHORT WAVE...WHILE A 40 KT LOW LEVEL JET DEVELOPS FROM THE SW. THIS SHOULD SET UP A FAVORABLE SHEAR PROFILE. FCST HODOGRAPHS ARE VERY VERY INTERESTING WITH THE NAM INDICATING STORM RELATIVE HELICITY IN THE 300 TO 500 M2/S2 RANGE IN THE AFTERNOON AND EVENING. IF WE COULD PLOP A MOIST UPDRAFT INTO THAT ENVIRONMENT IT WOULD MOST CERTAINLY ROTATE. THE PROBLEM IS THE MODELS LACK MUCH IN THE WAY OF SURFACE BASED INSTABILITY...WITH CAPE GENERALLY AROUND 500 J/KG IN THE MORE UNSTABLE NAM. THE THOUGHT THAT SPRINGS TO MIND IS...WE HAVE DONE MORE WITH LESS. THINK THE SLIGHT RISK FROM SPC LOOKS A-OK AND WE WILL HAVE TO BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR MINI-SUPERCELLS IF THIS COMES TO PASS AS EXPECTED...OR AT LEAST SOME WIND DAMAGE PRODUCING MULTICELLS. IS IT SPRINGTIME ALREADY? THE CONVECTIVE ACTIVITY SHOULD WIND DOWN IN THE LATE EVENING WITH THE LOSS OF INSTABILITY AND WEAKENING SHEAR. TEMPS WILL REMAIN MILD OVERNIGHT WITH NO REAL FRONTAL PASSAGE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavarreDon Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 And GSP for Thur.: .SHORT TERM /THURSDAY THROUGH FRIDAY NIGHT/... AS OF 230 AM WEDNESDAY...AHEAD OF APPROACHING COLD FRONT...A FAIR...BREEZY AND WARM DAY REMAINS ON TAP FOR THURSDAY. NEAR RECORD WARMTH IS EXPECTED AS FTHL/PIEDMONT MAX TEMPS CLIMB THRU THE LOWER 70S. WITHIN THE STRONG DEEP SHEAR...AS THE COLD FRONT ADVANCES SE THURSDAY NIGHT...TSTM ACTIVITY SHOULD INCREASE IN ACTIVITY ACRS THE TENN VLY...AND IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN JUST HOW STOUT ANY POTENTIAL DEEP CONVECTIVE LINE REMAINS AS IT MOVES TOWARD THE NC MTNS AND AWAY FROM THE BETTER FRONTAL BAND FORCING. IN ADDITION...AS THE FRONT INTERACTS WITH THE RICHER MOISTURE BUBBLING UP FROM THE SW... DISCRETE STORMS MAY FORM ACRS AL/GA. INSTABILITY ACRS THE WESTERN CAROLINAS WILL REMAIN ON THE WEAK SIDE AND AGAIN...JUST NOW FAR NE ROBUST TSTMS EXTEND FROM THIS ACTIVITY REMAINS A QUESTION. AT ANY RATE...WILL CONTINUE TO TALK UP THREAT OF SVR STORMS IN THE HWO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrgjeff Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Agree 110%. I am not seeing a major event shaping up here for Thursday. Meager instability, strong unidirectional wind fields, lack of boundary layer moisture, dry air at h85, capping inversion and weak convergence. It is easy to see why the SPC backed off on a bold 30% hatched. As things evolve I can see areas closer to the Gulf lighting up into a linear mess. If storms are able to develop and sustain themselves.... strong winds aloft would promote damaging winds as downdrafts bring those 50-60 kt winds just above the surface down. 2% tor, 15% wind, 5% hail if I had to make an outlook right now I'm not sure what they were seeing even back at Day 3. Most of those problems listed above, from uniderectional winds to just-in-time or meager moisture, are symptoms of a terribly positively tilted trough. Euro has a southern piece of energy hanging back, and less positively tilted for the Carolinas Friday; however, the short-term guidance pushes everything along in sloppy positive tilt fashion. I'll be relaxing with my thoughts at home, enjoying this super mild weather, every day after work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tornadotony Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I am not seeing a major event shaping up here for Thursday. Meager instability, strong unidirectional wind fields, lack of boundary layer moisture, dry air at h85, capping inversion and weak convergence. It is easy to see why the SPC backed off on a bold 30% hatched. As things evolve I can see areas closer to the Gulf lighting up into a linear mess. If storms are able to develop and sustain themselves.... strong winds aloft would promote damaging winds as downdrafts bring those 50-60 kt winds just above the surface down. 2% tor, 15% wind, 5% hail if I had to make an outlook right now Couldn't agree more. In fact, I think today has a slightly bigger threat than tomorrow does. Instability will still be rather meager today, but flow will be slightly unidirectional and moisture will be less meager, at least in a relative sense, due to less mixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioguy3107 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Some pockets of positive CAPE showing up now around the upstate of SC and NE Ga. Sun is breaking through now and temps are on the rise. We'll see what that may bring later this afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeznado Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 The WSI RPM and HRRR not very impressed with storms for the ATL area- I suspect any severe will stay north of here, at least until 3Z or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrasher Fan Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Even the paid pros are having trouble with this situation. Guess they are playing it safe and going with a Meso discussion. MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0141 NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0213 PM CST WED FEB 22 2012 AREAS AFFECTED...PARTS OF NRN MS...THE NRN HALF OF AL...PARTS OF SRN TN...NWRN GA...FAR WRN NC CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH POSSIBLE VALID 222013Z - 222215Z CORRECTED TO CHANGE NS TO MS IN THE AREAS AFFECTED HEADLINE CONTINUED AIRMASS DESTABILIZATION SUGGESTS INCREASING POTENTIAL FOR SEVERE STORMS THIS AFTERNOON. WW WILL BE POSSIBLE IN THE NEXT 1-2 HOURS. LATEST VISIBLE SATELLITE IMAGERY PAIRED WITH SURFACE AND OBJECTIVE ANALYSES REVEAL A CLEARLY DESTABILIZING BOUNDARY LAYER...BENEATH WHAT HAS BEEN A PERSISTENT CAPPING INVERSION. AS THE BOUNDARY LAYER CONTINUES TO WARM/SLOWLY MOISTEN...THE EWD SPREAD OF COOLER AIR/STEEPER LAPSE RATES ALOFT ASSOCIATED WITH THE WEAK UPPER TROUGH NOW PROGRESSING ACROSS THE MID MS VALLEY WILL RESULT IN ADDITIONAL DESTABILIZATION OVER THE NEXT FEW HOURS. WHILE A LOW-LEVEL FOCUS FOR STORM DEVELOPMENT REMAINS DIFFICULT TO DISCERN -- AND THUS LOCATION OF A CONCENTRATED THREAT AREA REMAINS UNCERTAIN...INCREASINGLY STRONG/VEERING FLOW WITH HEIGHT IS PROVIDING A KINEMATIC ENVIRONMENT SUPPORTIVE OF ORGANIZED/ROTATING STORMS. THIS -- AND THE INCREASINGLY FAVORABLE THERMODYNAMICS -- SUGGEST THAT ANY STORMS WHICH CAN DEVELOP WILL LIKELY ORGANIZE/INTENSIFY...WITH DAMAGING WINDS AND HAIL POSSIBLE ALONG WITH SOME ISOLATED TORNADO POTENTIAL. ATTM...CU FIELD APPEARS MOST ROBUST ACROSS NERN MS AND EWD ACROSS NRN AL AND INTO THE SRN APPALACHIANS. WITH THIS AREA ON THE NRN FRINGE OF THE BETTER THERMODYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT AND NEAR THE SRN BOUNDARY OF STRONGER UPPER FORCING ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROGRESSING WAVE...THIS AREA APPEARS ATTM TO BE THE MOST LIKELY INITIATION ZONE FOR INITIAL CONVECTION. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buckeye05 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Nastiest looking storms are in Florida right now lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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