michsnowfreak Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Finally looks like a Nice event for most MN.. I think most of MN is in a drought. They need it MN is way overdue and certainly deserving. Much like northern MI, most of MN has had 1 good winter and 4 horrible ones in recently, while areas just to their south and east have been prospering. And this year is no different, tremendous snow and snowdepth deficits statewide. But I wont lie, Id kill for that storm to cut way south and become a ORD-DTW-CLE special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 MN is way overdue and certainly deserving. Much like northern MI, most of MN has had 1 good winter and 4 horrible ones in recently, while areas just to their south and east have been prospering. And this year is no different, tremendous snow and snowdepth deficits statewide. But I wont lie, Id kill for that storm to cut way south and become a ORD-DTW-CLE special. There's three areas that need a nice Widespread snow event, Upper MW/GL, Lower OH valley and the YYZ area (GTA). Believe it or not I dont think we need an event that bad. We had our share good/great winters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 There's three areas that need a nice Widespread snow event, Upper MW/GL, Lower OH valley and the YYZ area (GTA). Believe it or not I dont think we need an event that bad. We had our share good/great winters. Yes! And those three areas really do need a good snow. Toronto's been lacking in the 10"+ snowfall events lately. FYI- the EURO wunderground maps finally updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 There's three areas that need a nice Widespread snow event, Upper MW/GL, Lower OH valley and the YYZ area (GTA). Believe it or not I dont think we need an event that bad. We had our share good/great winters. We need the monster storm as bad as anyone, but yes, they are way overdue for an 8-10" type storm. WRT 8"+ snowstorms, Ive had 6 since Toronto last had 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toronto blizzard Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 We need the monster storm as bad as anyone, but yes, they are way overdue for an 8-10" type storm. WRT 8"+ snowstorms, Ive had 6 since Toronto last had 1. I tell you we are very much due for a monster snow. The last time I remember having 6''+ was back in March 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I tell you we are very much due for a monster snow. The last time I remember having 6''+ was back in March 2008. No we had that Dec 08 storm and the Feb 11 storm. Just over 6", plus that March 2011 storm. It wasnt a 6" storm but for late March Standards I think it would qualify as a 6" snowstorm despite only getting 4". I think that 6" should be changed to a 12"....the last time we had one was in Mar. 08 lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 We need the monster storm as bad as anyone, but yes, they are way overdue for an 8-10" type storm. WRT 8"+ snowstorms, Ive had 6 since Toronto last had 1. Let me try... Our last 8"+ storm was the March 2008 blizzard. Since then, you've had 6 8"+ storms on: -Good Friday 2008 superclipper -December 19, 2008 -Something in February 2010? (I know that month overall was good for you) -December 12, 2010 -GHD 2011 -February 20, 2011 M I close? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 No we had that Dec 08 storm and the Feb 11 storm. Just over 6". Plus that March 2011 storm. Not 6" but for late March Standards I think it would qualify as a 6" snowstorm despite only getting 4-5". I think that 6" should be changed to a 12"....the last time we had one was in Mar. 08 lol. The last "official" 6" storm at Toronto was the January 8, 2011 east-wind LES event. GHD was 5 and some change. Same with the March 23, 2011. But as with LES it wasn't charitable in its snowfall distribution. I think it weakened enough by the time it reached Toronto Blizzard's house that he probably saw well under 6". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 No we had that Dec 08 storm and the Feb 11 storm. Just over 6", plus that March 2011 storm. It wasnt a 6" storm but for late March Standards I think it would qualify as a 6" snowstorm despite only getting 4". I think that 6" should be changed to a 12"....the last time we had one was in Mar. 08 lol. Wow, it's been a long time since you a large snowstorm. Given your location, I was thinking Toronto catches the big snowstorms that move through this area on their way east more often. -guess I assumed wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 EC fails so bad. For 10 hours straight we had "snow" on Feb 11, 2012 with temps remaining below 20F for the most part. Yet somehow, someway EC says it was 2.2mm of rain and a Trace of snow, when all was said and done. Yet every other station in the GTA.....even the downtown station had atleast 2" down for that day. See.....this is why I hate EC. http://www.climate.weatheroffice.gc.ca/climateData/hourlydata_e.html?StationID=5097&Month=2&Year=2012&timeframe=1&Day=11 Hey Toronto blizzard, I recommend sending EC a complaint email about this. I'm sure you got 2" that day too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 The last "official" 6" storm at Toronto was the January 8, 2011 east-wind LES event. GHD was 5 and some change. Same with the March 23, 2011. But as with LES it wasn't charitable in its snowfall distribution. I think it weakened enough by the time it reached Toronto Blizzard's house that he probably saw well under 6". That early Feb 2011 storm totaled 6" over a period of 2 days. As for 12" inch snowstorm..were long overdue. I've been patient for a long time now. I'm running out of patience. Yet DC-Boston over the past 2 years have been getting 12-18"+ snowstorms some how. Thats a disgrace lol. You'd think we'd atleast see decent LES this year, but no. I got like 6-7" with LES in Dec 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toronto blizzard Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 EC fails so bad. For 10 hours straight we had "snow" on Feb 11, 2012 with temps remaining below 20F for the most part. Yet somehow, someway EC says it was 2.2mm of rain and a Trace of snow, when all was said and done. Yet every other station in the GTA.....even the downtown station had atleast 2" down for that day. See.....this is why I hate EC. http://www.climate.w...eframe=1&Day=11 Hey Toronto blizzard, I recommend sending EC a complaint email about this. I'm sure you got 2" that day too. Ya I think I did but I'm not to sure lol. It seems like forever since we've had a good snow. Oh well maybe this Friday something will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 EC fails so bad. For 10 hours straight we had "snow" on Feb 11, 2012 with temps remaining below 20F for the most part. Yet somehow, someway EC says it was 2.2mm of rain and a Trace of snow, when all was said and done. Yet every other station in the GTA.....even the downtown station had atleast 2" down for that day. See.....this is why I hate EC. http://www.climate.w...eframe=1&Day=11 Hey Toronto blizzard, I recommend sending EC a complaint email about this. I'm sure you got 2" that day too. I don't want to sound too harsh, but you've mentioned this about half a dozen times in the last week. It sucks and so does Pearson. No doubt about it. But I don't think repeatedly posting about it does much good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Ya I think I did but I'm not to sure lol. It seems like forever since we've had a good snow. Oh well maybe this Friday something will happen. Lol. We can only hope. i will have a blog post on this storm once I start seeing some consistency. Models like the CMC or the Nam don't phase at all and leave the southern vort energy hanging, thus we get nothing basically, just a weak frontal wave. If all goes well, this can be a decent storm from Southern MI thru EONT. 0z Nam will be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 That early Feb 2011 storm totaled 6" over a period of 2 days. No it didn't. Not at downtown, Pearson, or North York. We're talking about Toronto right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Let me try... Our last 8"+ storm was the March 2008 blizzard. Since then, you've had 6 8"+ storms on: -Good Friday 2008 superclipper -December 19, 2008 -Something in February 2010? (I know that month overall was good for you) -December 12, 2010 -GHD 2011 -February 20, 2011 M I close? Im sure you missed one or two in 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Wow, it's been a long time since you a large snowstorm. Given your location, I was thinking Toronto catches the big snowstorms that move through this area on their way east more often. -guess I assumed wrong! It doesn't happen every year but we always do inch out atleast a 8" snowstorm every year but since 08-09 that has become a problem. 2009-10 was blamed for the persistent WB -NAO anomaly thus suppressing every storm and this continued thru Mid Jan 2011. Then the models were hinting at a storm of the century in early Feb 2011 but as we got closer (12 hours out).....all that turned to dust and the ice crystals ruined everything, plus the sudden NW shift thus we only had decent snow for 8-10 hours and all that snow featured different ice crystals which accumulated much differently that most regular storms, given the extremely cold upper air temps. I got just under 8". And then this year LOL. Its more common to see 6-8" snowstorms here every year with a 12"+ snowstorm every other year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Im sure you missed one or two in 2009 ??? Almost certain you guys didn't see anything major in December 2009 (everything suppressed south). Winter 2008-2009 ended in early February...so if I did it was in January 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 No it didn't. Not at downtown, Pearson, or North York. We're talking about Toronto right? http://www.climate.weatheroffice.gc.ca/climateData/dailydata_e.html?StationID=4841&Month=2&Day=21&Year=2011&timeframe=2 Just slightly under 6" at Buttonville. I measured under 8". All of my friends measured similar amounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmc76 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 ??? Almost certain you guys didn't see anything major in December 2009 (everything suppressed south). Winter 2008-2009 ended in early February...so if I did it was in January 2009. Im thinking Jan 2009. Mifreak will correct me any minute now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Its more common to see 6-8" snowstorms here every year with a 12"+ snowstorm every other decade. fyp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 http://www.climate.w...011&timeframe=2 Just slightly under 6" at Buttonville. I measured under 8". All of my friends measured similar amounts. Yeah. But we're talking about Toronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Im thinking Jan 2009. Mifreak will correct me any minute now Could be January 27-28, 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 fyp lol. there were 2-3 storms over or at 12" in 2007-08. I still remember that "mega" storm the models were forecasting for early Feb 09. In the end only 3-4" fell, LOL. Then before 2007-08, you'd have to back to Jan 04 where we had that LES storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I think that had a 978mb bomb over Erie,PA or close at about 144hrs. Talk about missampling the jet stream lol(the February 2009 flop). It was quite the excitement watching the models only to see it fail just 3-4 days before lol...to squat. Accuwx began comparing it to the Superstorm (1993) lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 This is deceiving because, even though the low level flow vectors are off the GOM, the moisture flux is junk as that Day 4 trough wipes the GOM out. Cool, thanks. I wasn't thinking that there was actually "good" moisture down there to be drawn up. What is the best way to determine the quality of the moisture available? Thanks for the clarification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Let me try... Our last 8"+ storm was the March 2008 blizzard. Since then, you've had 6 8"+ storms on: -Good Friday 2008 superclipper -December 19, 2008 -Something in February 2010? (I know that month overall was good for you) -December 12, 2010 -GHD 2011 -February 20, 2011 M I close? Pretty good guesses!...of your guesses my snowfall totals were: ~Good Friday 2008- 6.8" ~Dec 19, 2008- 8.2" ~Feb 2010 saw two warning criteria storms (8.0" on 9/10th and 7.7" on 21/22nd) ~Dec 12, 2012- 6.3" ~GHD- 10.1" ~Feb 20, 2011- 10.2" So you were right with 4 of them, and you missed 8.1" on Jan 9/10, 2009...so the answer is actually 5 storms of 8"+ since your last (I was originally counting my 10.3" on Mar 4/5, 2008 as my 6th one, but I believe your 8"+ storm was after March 5th). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Pretty good guesses!...of your guesses my snowfall totals were:~Good Friday 2008- 6.8"~Dec 19, 2008- 8.2" ~Feb 2010 saw two warning criteria storms (8.0" on 9/10th and 7.7" on 21/22nd)~Dec 12, 2012- 6.3"~GHD- 10.1"~Feb 20, 2011- 10.2"So you were right with 4 of them, and you missed 8.1" on Jan 9/10, 2009...so the answer is actually 5 storms of 8"+ since your last (I was originally counting my 10.3" on Mar 4/5, 2008 as my 6th one, but I believe you 8"+ storm was after March 5th). Yes. 8"+ with the March 7-8, 2008 Apps runner blizzard. I would never have guessed that storm in Jan 2009. I don't even remember there being a storm early in the month of Jan that year. Time to go check out NARR... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Yes. 8"+ with the March 7-8, 2008 Apps runner blizzard. I would never have guessed that storm in Jan 2009. I don't even remember there being a storm early in the month of Jan that year. Time to go check out NARR... Yeah that storm was interesting in that it was overall a long duration, close to 24-hour event, but a good 4 of the 8 inches fell in a 2-3 hour band on Jan 10th.Its certainly a forgotten storm because of all the action the past several years, but it was nice (and would stick out like a monster in this winter lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 I realize it's "downtime" but we're straying too much here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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