forkyfork Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 the euro has a perfect phase with that southern vort and the gfs totally misses the phase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I kinda thought the GFS would continue with a weak kneed solution Glad to see the stronger low for now Yard furniture and new grass seed blown all over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted February 21, 2012 Author Share Posted February 21, 2012 Huge differences in the Euro/UKMET vs the other guidance types overnight... The Euro/U have a giant slug of powerful S/W dynamcis relaying off the Pacific through Washington/Oregan at 48 hours; if you compare to the other guidance they have this S/W feature but varioiusly weaker among them. There are 2 ways to phase... 1, strong southern stream draws/induces a N stream impulse down in latitude by weakening the geopotential medium; 2, powerful N stream digs and captures/absorbs anything in its path. Not to digress, it has to do both with wave frequency, and wave translation timing together. If either of those two are not in accord, the flow has less harmonics and streams start deconstructing as opposed to constructing their wave interference.. Anyway, this appears to take the latter route to phasing in this Euro. The other guidance ... because the southern stream isn't overwhelmingly strong, and their respective S/W coming of the Pacific are less capable of "digging" - no or too little phase to matter. Con for Euro: Seasonal trend = no phasing at least excuse imaginable. It is interetsing that the Euro is so proficient in both doing so, but overcoming that trend for this scenario - feels like an on purpose pump of the cosmic dildo ...but that's besides the point. (This non-winter reminds me of that creepy scene in Silence Of The Lambs: "It rubs the lotion on its skin. It does this whenever it is told") ...Well, that is not entirely true, the UKMET did in like fashion extend the torture onto a victim that has already endure unthinkable evil, by also imposing a stronger N stream; reasonably resembling the Euro. The gist of what these two do is cause a powerful system to spin up too quick, and with so lacking antecedent viscous air mass in the lower partial thickness' between the lower OV and NE regions, there's nothing to stop such an intense depiction from running west and right up our arse - hense the CD reference above. nyuk nyuk. (We're not writing for any dissertation efforts here...) The GGEM has the stream intermingle but waits until the whole thing is scooting up into the Maritime. Interestingly, it even lags a little QPF back into crashing heights suggesting someone gets a little white despite the warm entry through the entire baroclinic evolution. The GFS on the other hand is completely unable to see any stream interaction of significance though - a trend that started in earnest on the 18z run yesterday and appears to have held through 00z/06z as well. That may mean nothing more than the GFS pulling its usual routine of finding odd scenarios down the stretch. The 12z is rolling out now... It's another opportunity for the GFS to score a coup - will it? This model reminds me of a boxer losing the fight in the latter rounds, so he start randomly throwing out wild punches hoping to land one and get lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisM Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 So is everyone purely rooting this on as a windstorm, even if it won't snow? Sorry but losing power sucks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha5 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 So is everyone purely rooting this on as a windstorm, even if it won't snow? Sorry but losing power sucks... This. I know winter blows and were all looking for excitement...but sitting in the dark for a week while CLP gets its act together again is not my idea of a good time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Don't give a fook about the wind unless there is snow with it......... So is everyone purely rooting this on as a windstorm, even if it won't snow? Sorry but losing power sucks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 We don't need a wind bomb, But i would have to say that the Euro probably has the right idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I kinda thought the GFS would continue with a weak kneed solution Glad to see the stronger low for now Yard furniture and new grass seed blown all over LOL..new grass seed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 This. I know winter blows and were all looking for excitement...but sitting in the dark for a week while CLP gets its act together again is not my idea of a good time if it's not accompanied by a lot of precip, damage probably won't be all that bad even in a euro-esque evolution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 We don't need a wind bomb, But i would have to say that the Euro probably has the right idea 12z GFS is a wet snowfall for NNE. Advisory criteria snowfall followed by upslope here. Surface temps H85 temps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted February 21, 2012 Author Share Posted February 21, 2012 Wow, this run is even more loony looking ... It initializes the SW feature strongly ...finally, then magically it disappears between hours 84 and 96 trekking through old Mexico - poof style - with no apparent physical cause for its disappearance. Then, it is soooo egregiously off the Euro run at this point that it drills the N stream to London over top - this is about as disparate I have ever seen between those too operational runs. This 12z Euro will be interesting. I did notice that it was slightly east of the 12z bomb depiction yesterday - still a bomb but perhaps slightly less threatening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 if it's not accompanied by a lot of precip, damage probably won't be all that bad even in a euro-esque evolution Most of the damaging winds with the Euro are on the backside in CAA under sunny skies..perfectly aligned flow top to bottom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 12z GFS is a wet snowfall for NNE. Advisory criteria snowfall followed by upslope here. Surface temps H85 temps Its close even here, The Nam as well but i don't buy it with the Euro being so different and west Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 With all the trees in CT fully leafed out I would expect heavy damage from a windstorm in Feb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Well, The ukie is up next which may or may not give us an indication of which way the Euro goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Its close even here, The Nam as well but i don't buy it with the Euro being so different and west I think you'd be good for a couple inches of caking wet snow at 32-33F on the GFS. Its close but the column is pretty isothermal in the lowest few thousand feet and you'd probably get a good burst of omega with the WAA to keep you wet snow for a couple hours before going over to sleet or rain. This winter even 2" of wet snow clinging to every little branch and twig is a sight to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropopause_Fold Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Most of the damaging winds with the Euro are on the backside in CAA under sunny skies..perfectly aligned flow top to bottom yeah i know...i don't think the euro would lead to a week of no power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I think you'd be good for a couple inches of caking wet snow at 32-33F on the GFS. Its close but the column is pretty isothermal in the lowest few thousand feet and you'd probably get a good burst of omega with the WAA to keep you wet snow for a couple hours before going over to sleet or rain. This winter even 2" of wet snow clinging to every little branch and twig is a sight to be seen. Not far off but may be a moot point in another hour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I have a wind fetish, so I'm pretty excited ... don't need snow with it. Give me some 60mph+ gusts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I have a wind fetish, so I'm pretty excited ... don't need snow with it. Give me some 60mph+ gusts We should be good for a 25kt gust in C NH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 12z Ukie takes a 993mb low from Western PA to 981mb in the Bay Of Fundy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Why wouldn't the GFS be a wet snow bomb in the mountains? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKpowdah Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 We should be good for a 25kt gust in C NH. yeah I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 We should be good for a 25kt gust in C NH. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Why wouldn't the GFS be a wet snow bomb in the mountains? It would be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Why wouldn't the GFS be a wet snow bomb in the mountains? It would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 It would be Looks like the GGEM would be too correct? My weekend may be saved after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 GFS and GEFS aren't a bad looking storm set up next week. Would be nice for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 Looks like the GGEM would be too correct? My weekend may be saved after all. Did not see the GGEM but the Ukie looked good as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 It would be I'm on my phone but how are the temps above H85? I don't like those upper lows tracking so far NW for the north country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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