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Hilltop avoiding non-isallobaric wind from heaven... UKMET/Euro try to save society as we know it


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lol I love the NAM.

Within 18 hours I do actually put stock in it. So at least part 1 is somewhat believable.

Euro is bothering me...I thought it would come in better at 12z after it trended toward NCEP models at 00z. Its hard to think the other models are going to be so wrong inside of 18 hours though...even the RUC is showing a big thump getting in here about 12-15 hours from now.

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Euro is bothering me...I thought it would come in better at 12z after it trended toward NCEP models at 00z. Its hard to think the other models are going to be so wrong inside of 18 hours though...even the RUC is showing a big thump getting in here about 12-15 hours from now.

That's what sucks. It's hard to think models on both sides can be wrong this far out, but I thought the GFS op was a decent compromise between the meager Euro and the obscene NAM. Something like that.

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NAM has very strong frontogenesis over SNE tomorrow morning. Combine that with the theta-e bomb at 850 riding up and hitting at brick wall over LI sound at 60kts...there is your solution.

Bingo... I think a 12z bomb is quite possible in many areas. Who knows... even HVN could get in on the action if we see a burst of strong frontogenesis/omega.

Leave it for this winter to produce a surprise 5" snowbomb for populated areas centered around 12z. :axe:

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The ukie looked kind of meh too. I don't know..part of me wonder how you can generate this much QPF on pure WAA and little PVA.

Well you sort of answered that question above. If you're able to generate the LLJ... the thump of warm advection and frontogenesis can certainly do it. At least for a couple hour period of time.

No question the NAM is likely too robust - but 18 hours out - with SREF support I think a solution juicier than Euro is a good bet.

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I know the storm back in January did just that, but that was over a longer period of time and a colder atmosphere. It just looks a little too amped up..but if that LLJ is anywhere near correct..I can see why the NAM has what it has.

I haven't bit on advisory snow yet...I'm sticking with 1-3" for now. But as we get closer, I'm becoming a bit more skeptical of the Euro.

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Well you sort of answered that question above. If you're able to generate the LLJ... the thump of warm advection and frontogenesis can certainly do it. At least for a couple hour period of time.

No question the NAM is likely too robust - but 18 hours out - with SREF support I think a solution juicier than Euro is a good bet.

Yeah that's what I mean...I wonder if it is too strong with that. Just thinking out loud here. GFS has a 40-45kt jet and looks a little more realistic.

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Bingo... I think a 12z bomb is quite possible in many areas. Who knows... even HVN could get in on the action if we see a burst of strong frontogenesis/omega.

Leave it for this winter to produce a surprise 5" snowbomb for populated areas centered around 12z. :axe:

So if this were to happen..it starts snowing like 3::00- 4:00 am and just bangs down from like 5:00-8:00 ish?

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