CoastalWx Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 The NAM shows you the good side of things, but lets see what the 12z guidance does. That is the definition of front end dump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 LOL, 70s in srn NJ and 30s here. Poor LL. Got the shorts on, heading out to the links................dry warm mid spring conditions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 60kt LLJ meeting a brick wall over LI Sound. That's what generates the lift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 The 9z RSM has a nice front end dump look to it for some . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 60kt LLJ meeting a brick wall over LI Sound. NAM sucking that's what generates the lift. Fixed that for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Fixed that for you. Well again, this is more for the interior so I have limited expectations imby...but it makes a difference if I have rain or a slushy inch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 The NAM shows you the good side of things, but lets see what the 12z guidance does. That is the definition of front end dump. Look at the thermal gradient over CT/RI/MA at 850mb! It's like a 8-10C gradient over 50 miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Well again, this is more for the interior so I have limited expectations imby...but it makes a difference if I have rain or a slushy inch. I'm very skeptical of the american guidance particularly because earlier on the NAM dropped south towards the Euro. In the end it recovers, but beyond 18-24 the NAM always seems to default back to earlier. Just IMHO I don't like what I saw and as it stands now I'd be right under the most QPF on the NAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Looking at 6z GFS/NAM bufkit soundings and what a complete mess...especially more for central/northern NE as far as snow and how much snow. NAM has incredible VV's while GFS is more meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Torchey Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Looked at the thermal gradient over CT/RI/MA at 850mb! It's like a 8-10C gradient over 50 miles. Packed TG there Robert, much rather be on the dry warm side then wet 39 side.............hopefully you guys can get a nice thumpidy thump thump of snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Packed TG there Robert, much rather be on the dry warm side then wet 39 side.............hopefully you guys can get a nice thumpidy thump thump of snow. You just might be wet and 40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subdude Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Massive snows heading our way or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Even the 9z ETA looks pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Look at the thermal gradient over CT/RI/MA at 850mb! It's like a 8-10C gradient over 50 miles. NAM may a little too wet ans a shade too cool, but I noticed the SREF 1" probs came south just a bit, while the gradient between 0% and 50% really tightened up. So this tells me that you could go from 33F rain to 33F snow in about 10 miles. I'd like to see whatt he GFS does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 09z ETA and NAM almost looked similar in that the best band looked like it may be just north of I-90. FWIW anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Snowing hard here at 2k. Things are getting started early.lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisM Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Cooked here? 100%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisM Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Snowing hard here at 2k. Things are getting started early.lol Wtff? I just walked to class in a t shirt and was still warm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinch Leatherwood Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I'm channeling Kev for a moment......toss the NAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Cooked here? 100%? school or home? I would not be surprised if the lowlands see some flakes to start. May not accum. I'd love to be up in the Lakes region of NH/ME for this one right now for the best snows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Weenies it is NOT going to snow south of the pike tonIte. Not a flake locked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 NAM shows everything we've had in our Dec 2007 classic SWFE.......except a very cold antecedent airmass. That's the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisM Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 school or home? I would not be surprised if the lowlands see some flakes to start. May not accum. I'd love to be up in the Lakes region of NH/ME for this one right now for the best snows. Sorry, home at 1k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 school or home? I would not be surprised if the lowlands see some flakes to start. May not accum. I'd love to be up in the Lakes region of NH/ME for this one right now for the best snows. AWT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmanmitch Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Tough forecast for here in terms of both the low-levels and the mid-levels. 12Z NAM is a nice thump starting around 09Z. We're still safely snow at 12Z, but a sneaky warm layer comes in between 750-800 mb by 15Z as the precip lessens. As with a lot of these SWFEs, it will be a battle between mid-level WAA and dynamical cooling from the heavier precip. The heaviest precip could easily be 1-2" per hour 1/4 mile visibility +SN if the NAM has its way. Low-levels could be sketchy in the lower elevations of the Hudson and CT River Valleys, but above 1K should be okay. Tough call, but if I went with the NAM I'll go with 3-5" for me, 4-6" for Pete and MPM, maybe 6-7" at 2K. Hudson and CT Valleys are probably 1-2" of slop. I'll wait for the GFS before finalizing my forecast. After first batch, we probably go to a light sleet or rain for the bulk of the day before cold front comes in tomorrow evening. CAA behind the front could yield another inch or two from upslope as moisture gets wrung out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Bow Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Interesting morning AFD from GYX, has us missing the better qpf twice - heavier precip from the initial low tomorrow stays south, then the secondary is a bit too far to our east. At this point, however, advisory level snow would boost Feb snowfall here by about 10X, so it's all good. Exactly, that half inch from Tuesday night boosted my total for Feb by more than 10x and it was great to see. Even if its just a 2-4 event thats going to feel like a 4-8 event in a normal year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisM Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I don't expect anything at school but 1-2" at home at 1k really wouldn't be a stretch IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 The NAM is really only a 3-5 hr snow deal..almost closer to 3-4 hrs near I-90..lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Tough forecast for here in terms of both the low-levels and the mid-levels. 12Z NAM is a nice thump starting around 09Z. We're still safely snow at 12Z, but a sneaky warm layer comes in between 750-800 mb by 15Z as the precip lessens. As with a lot of these SWFEs, it will be a battle between mid-level WAA and dynamical cooling from the heavier precip. The heaviest precip could easily be 1-2" per hour 1/4 mile visibility +SN if the NAM has its way. Low-levels could be sketchy in the lower elevations of the Hudson and CT River Valleys, but above 1K should be okay. Tough call, but if I went with the NAM I'll go with 3-5" for me, 4-6" for Pete and MPM, maybe 6-7" at 2K. Hudson and CT Valleys are probably 1-2" of slop. I'll wait for the GFS before finalizing my forecast. After first batch, we probably go to a light sleet or rain for the bulk of the day before cold front comes in tomorrow evening. CAA behind the front could yield another inch or two from upslope as moisture gets wrung out. Nice Mitch. Look forward to your final call later. Is it snowing in Lenox? Nice snow has been falling here for the last hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Nice Mitch. Look forward to your final call later. Is it snowing in Lenox? Nice snow has been falling here for the last hour. Amazing difference on the roasted toasted CP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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