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Models often underestimate cold air, especially with a surface high in a good position. The solutions may trend colder with each run coming up and STILL be too warm the day of the event. We have to watch this one carefully. The only thing I'm not too crazy about is the sfc wind direction. If we can get any ENE or NE flow, then game on, but this E to SE flow is a killer. The position of the high and the position of the warm front will be key. The isentropic lift is there for sure. Can we just get the cold wedge from the high to save the day? I'd say if we had a better air mass ahead of this system, we'd be better off. I hate marginal events like this. So much can go wrong.

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. The only thing I'm not too crazy about is the sfc wind direction. If we can get any ENE or NE flow, then game on, but this E to SE flow is a killer.

Models screw up forecast wind direction all the time...plently of times I've seen a forecast between 90 degrees and 135 degrees and the day of the event it ends up being between 45 and 90 degrees..

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Models screw up forecast wind direction all the time...plently of times I've seen a forecast between 90 degrees and 135 degrees and the day of the event it ends up being between 45 and 90 degrees..

Plenty of times its been 150 and those events are the best down here!! Not saying its going to happen but the trend is our freind the last few events as I saw sleet all the way to the beach here... Good sign in a bad winter.

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Models screw up forecast wind direction all the time...plently of times I've seen a forecast between 90 degrees and 135 degrees and the day of the event it ends up being between 45 and 90 degrees..

True, but if the warm front dominates, the "usual" sfc flow is SE or E. I would like to see the sfc high more towards the southern tip of James Bay to tell you the truth.

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True, but if the warm front dominates, the "usual" sfc flow is SE or E. I would like to see the sfc high more towards the southern tip of James Bay to tell you the truth.

The anticyclone is not in the best of spots; retreating towards the Maritime Provinces / N. Atlantic....but at this point, beggars can't be choosers...if the area picks up a couple of inches of snow Wednesday...at leat a little of the winter's ignominy is washed away...

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True, but if the warm front dominates, the "usual" sfc flow is SE or E. I would like to see the sfc high more towards the southern tip of James Bay to tell you the truth.

Yeah, the high orientation is very poor. To get snow out of this the dependence is on dry air at the sfc wet bulbing cold enough to allow the snow/sleet to stick. The former may be hard, but the latter is always easier in milder temps. Some areas may briefly start as snow then switch to sleet, and see a bit of sleet accumulation (while the snow will have melted on contact).

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03Z Tuesday SREF'S have 2 meter temps around 5 degrees Celsius during the afternoon hours Wednesday.

You should be dubbed the forum's official "Bearer of Bad News"....

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6z NAM @36 looks like a photocopy of the 0z NAM @ 42.

Maybe a fraction colder @ 850 on 6z NAM @ 42 (0 c isotherm looks like it runs Bridgehampton to Danbury) where on 0z NAM it ran from Montauk to Poughkeepsie @ 48.

<eyeballing it>

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Doesn't really make sense. The high to the north is stronger this run and the primary weaker.

Anyone hoping for a last minute shift will be disappointed.

12z NAM is warmer then 6z and 0z by a good amount. Also the precip doesnt come in as heavy right away.

NAM is much slower with the onset of the precip. Don't by it at all, these events are never slower. The delay in precip changes the setup.

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Doesn't really make sense. The high to the north is stronger this run and the primary weaker.

If the high is in a bad spot and the winds are easterly, it really doesn't make any difference as others have said. 20 mph winds off 45F waters is just killer to any snow chances. The low is also developing over NJ, which is another killer for us, and WAA rapidly overcomes any cold we might have. This one's for the well north, west and especially east crew, not us around the immediate metro. Time to just give it up and give the congrats to Boston.

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If the high is in a bad spot and the winds are easterly, it really doesn't make any difference as others have said. 20 mph winds off 45F waters is just killer to any snow chances. The low is also developing over NJ, which is another killer for us, and WAA rapidly overcomes any cold we might have. This one's for the well north, west and especially east crew, not us around the immediate metro. Time to just give it up and give the congrats to Boston.

Winds are from the Northeast which would be fine.

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If the high is in a bad spot and the winds are easterly, it really doesn't make any difference as others have said. 20 mph winds off 45F waters is just killer to any snow chances. The low is also developing over NJ, which is another killer for us, and WAA rapidly overcomes any cold we might have. This one's for the well north, west and especially east crew, not us around the immediate metro. Time to just give it up and give the congrats to Boston.

This is a WAA event. Any surface low that develops in or around our area has nothing to do with the type of precip for the first slug of moisture, its all about timing.

And if you are live in Manhattan or the beaches, this event was/is a long shot for accumulating snow, but you certainly dont have to go WELL NORTH to see 2 inches or more out of this, in fact, northern bronx, westerchester, extreme sw connecticut which are hardly well north will see accumulating snow out of this.

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This is a WAA event. Any surface low that develops in or around our area has nothing to do with the type of precip for the first slug of moisture, its all about timing.

And if you are live in Manhattan or the beaches, this event was/is a long shot for accumulating snow, but you certainly dont have to go WELL NORTH to see 2 inches or more out of this, in fact, northern bronx, westerchester, extreme sw connecticut which are hardly well north will see accumulating snow out of this.

I think you have to be north of I-84 to really have a shot here, but I agree that some slushy accums are possible for the south shore of CT and the White Plains area before a quick switch to rain or junk. Anyone on Long Island and the NYC area is out of it. The real accumulations won't be until you're well east of Hartford if the NAM is to be believed. Boston might get more from the storm than even the Berkshires or Litchfield Hills.

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