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I hope we at least see some flakes here, as after this storm it looks like we are going to be entering yet another period of unmitigated blowtorch.

Look a little closer. After the big inland runner comes through we have a full latitude trough in place and a good chance of amplification. It's not an unmitigated blow torch

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I hope we at least see some flakes here, as after this storm it looks like we are going to be entering yet another period of unmitigated blowtorch.

The blowtorch starts after day 6-7 and after the ridge rolls east. It's possible a nicely timed vort drops into the trough around day 6. Low chance, but possible.

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Look a little closer. After the big inland runner comes through we have a full latitude trough in place and a good chance of amplification. It's not an unmitigated blow torch

Right, +AO, no blocking, -PNA. The models are a complete joke beyond about 48-60 hours. Thus, I think it's best to fall back on good ole teleconnections and analogs a la Don S (who has been killing it this year). He's going above to much above normal in the East during the first couple weeks of March. There really isn't anything to suggest otherwise.

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The blowtorch starts after day 6-7 and after the ridge rolls east. It's possible a nicely timed vort drops into the trough around day 6. Low chance, but possible.

Yea I guess we could still sneak something in the early part of next week. Otherwise it's wait unti mid March where the probability of accumulating snowfall in NYC drops considerably.

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Right, +AO, no blocking, -PNA. The models are a complete joke beyond about 48-60 hours. Thus, I think it's best to fall back on good ole teleconnections and analogs a la Don S (who has been killing it this year). He's going above to much above normal in the East during the first couple weeks of March. There really isn't anything to suggest otherwise.

You can always have small windows of pna anlmplification or blocking in a hostile regime and there is plenty to support east coast troughing all be it temporarily in the 130 to 180 time frame.

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You can always have small windows of pna anlmplification or blocking in a hostile regime and there is plenty to support east coast troughing all be it temporarily in the 130 to 180 time frame.

Agreed. Several pieces of guidance are pointing to PNA rise and even a short, temporary block days 5-7. It's probably our last shot of anything this winter.

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You can always have small windows of pna anlmplification or blocking in a hostile regime and there is plenty to support east coast troughing all be it temporarily in the 130 to 180 time frame.

Yea you are right. I think some have alluded to this possibility with the shortening wavelengths going into March. I actually do hope we get something. Two more storms of 40F and rain would be the apex of misery.

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You can always have small windows of pna anlmplification or blocking in a hostile regime and there is plenty to support east coast troughing all be it temporarily in the 130 to 180 time frame.

Agree. I noted in the banter thread that although the pattern is unfavorable, the shortening of wavelengths in late winter makes an east coast trough possible even w/ low heights on the West Coast. It's a low chance, but slightly better than the same pattern in January due to changing wavelengths. The 12z Euro shows this well w/ a relatively narrow trough digging on the East Coast, of course prior to warming back up again. It's a warm temp pattern but this is getting into the season of cut-offs; lows like to amplify/close off a bit more than they do in DJF.

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Gfs Definetely with a bump colder and faster then 18z.

Bodes well for the north of city.

yes, its def more namish than it has been. Again, can easily see the precip moving in even quicker than even the nam and gfs are showing now. Also, the high position has clearly trended better. Look how its still centered in a favorable CAD spot even in the 42 hour range, this is important and likely a reason we are seeing colder solutions so far.

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No surprise nam shows quicker onset of precip. Models always underestimate the approach of the waa and precip with these events. A lot of dry air in place will aid marginal surface temps and good lift through the snow growth zone should provide some areas in and around nyc metro away from the beaches a nice 3 hour event. Wouldnt be surprised to see precip start right after 12z.

welcome back bud

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welcome back bud

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solid snow sounding here for KNYC at 42 hours with probably .2 or so liquid already fallen. Still room to wetbulb here and good vv's probably produces slushy accumulation even in the city. Regardless, flakes will be in the air and it will look and feel like winter.

It may even snow till 44 hours on the GFS for the city itself.

N and W does well.

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On some of these runs (not including the RGEM), it appears a good deal of the precip is over by the time the atmosphere warms up sufficiently...probably ending as some light rain / drizzle.

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On some of these runs (not including the RGEM), it appears a good deal of the precip is over by the time the atmosphere warms up sufficiently...probably ending as some light rain / drizzle.

This is especially true with the 00z gfs run and is not unusual in these types of events. Dec 08 saw this, as have several others.

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On some of these runs (not including the RGEM), it appears a good deal of the precip is over by the time the atmosphere warms up sufficiently...probably ending as some light rain / drizzle.

You can see it pretty clearly on the 00z NAM.

Here's the radar at 48 hours which is when the H85 0c line jumps north of the city. By this point, the heaviest precipitation is over. The frames with moderate to heavy precipitation are presumably snow or snow/sleet anywhere north of Staten Island's latitude. It likely would end as some sleet and drizzle.

http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/NAMSFC4_0z/rad48.gif

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UKIE 42 hours NYC. Snow sounding, surface taking account wet bulb is probably 33-35, and the ukie does not resolve the surface temps well I have noticed with these soundings. It appears to be colder at 850 than the gfs and NAM. Either way, it def. trended colder from its 12z run.

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