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Euro ensembles trended way south from last night...pretty similar to the OP...maybe a hair north.

talk about an improvement earthlight. looks like were gonna have some excitement the next few days. the european/globals consistently have been showing the more southern and colder track so we gotta keep an eye on the south and east trend.

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The mean was really warm for the area on the 0z run. Also, the low was just south of NYC.

This was the 0z run

00zecmwfens850mbTSLPUS096.gif

Now this is the 12z run

12zecmwfens850mbTSLPUS096.gif

The high is a touch to the southeast, which is not necessarily good...but the big difference is the strength in the primary in the lakes.

If we can get that low to die out and strengthen the secondary, things could get interesting. The 0z mean looks more like a GLC with a weak coastal, while the 12z is a coastal with a weak GLC.

That will make all the difference in a borderline situation

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The mean was really warm for the area on the 0z run. Also, the low was just south of NYC.

This was the 0z run

Now this is the 12z run

You are comparing two 96 hour maps from different starting times...you'd have to compare 96h from 00z to 84h at 12z...12z is south of 00z but not as much as that comparison would imply.

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Hr 75 another. 25 falls...850 to earthlights house...

Hr 78 light rain or drizzle

Keep in mind that hour 75 is where the 850 mb 0 C line is at that particular frame,

There is probably moderate/heavy precipitation that falls before the 0C line makes it to Mt. Earthlight.

There is less than 0.1" of QPF after the 850s become too warm to support snow.

It is still warmer than the ECMWF, but it is much colder than the 12z GFS.

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18z runs for ISP... GFS looks to start as snow around noon but changes to rain by 21 UTC Wednesday. The NAM has all snow from 17z Wednesday ( the BUFKIT profiles show the profile wet-bulbing and dropping with a more NE wind at the ground), and changes over to rain by 22 UTC Wednesday. In that time frame, about 0.3 to 0.4 of liquid falls on the NAM.

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THERE IS A PRETTY GOOD CHANCE THAT THE SNOW WILL BE MDT TO BRIEFLY

HEAVY FOR A A COUPLE OF HOURS SOMETIME WEDNESDAY...MOST LIKELY IN

THE 8AM TO 2 PM TIME FRAME...ESP E PA AND NJ. THAT COULD INCLUDE PHL

YOU'LL NOTE OUR FCST HAS A LOT OF MIXED PHASE WORDING. IN TIME

THIS WILL BECOME MANAGED BETTER AS WE BECOME MORE CONFIDENT ON

PTYPE. RIGHT NOW THE GFS HAS BIASED THIS FCST WARM. WE COOLED IT A

BIT MORE THAN THE HPC GUIDANCE AND MUCH MORE THAN 12Z GFS TEMP

GUIDANCE.

HOW MUCH ICE CAN OCCUR WED AFTN/EVE?...PROBABLY VERY LITTLE EXCEPT IN

FORESTED UPSLOPE REGIONS. A MORE EXTENSIVE LIGHT ICING POTENTIAL

WILL EXISTS WEDNESDAY EVENING WITH SHALLOW EASTERLY WIND FORCED

LIFT FROM THE INCREASING ENE BL WIND. AGAIN...UPSLOPE REGIONS

COOL EASIER. ALSO....BECAUSE OF PROBABLE COLD HIGH PRES LOCKED IN

OVER SE QUEBEC...THERE WILL BE A NICE RESOURCE OF BELOW FREEZING

BL AIR SEEPING SWWD IN THE NE BL FLOW.

COOLING THERMAL PROFILES THURSDAY MORNING WITH THE APPROACH OF THE

PRIMARY MIDWEST SHORT WAVE ALONG /COOLING 500MB HEIGHTS/ WITH A

DEEPENING EASTERLY ATLC COLD CONVEYOR BELT OF LOW LVL MOISTURE AND

A PERIOD OF SEEDING FROM PROBABLE CIRRUS ASSTD WITH A NEW

DEFORMATION ZONE OF MID LVL LIFT SHOULD CHANGE ANY ICE BACK TO

SNOW EARLY IN THE DAY OVER NE PA AND NNJ.

SNOW GROWTH...ATTM MODELED SNOW GROWTH POTENTIAL FOR A SHORT PERIOD

OF 1 INCH/HR LOOKS VERY GOOD WITH IDEAL DENDRITIC GROWTH ZONE NEAR

525 MB WITH ONSET OF THE EVENT WED MORNING AND OMEGA RANGING FROM

12 TO 22 MB/SEC DEPENDING ON THE MODEL.

SO...WE ALL WANT AN ACCURATE DETERMINISTIC FCST AS FAR IN ADVANCE AS

POSSIBLE. HOW MUCH SNOW AND ICE...LETS LEAVE IT WIDE OPEN ON PTYPE

AMTS BUT .50 TO 1 INCH FROZEN WATER EQUIVALENT VALUES IN NW NJ/NE

PA ARE PROBABLE WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE. MULTIPLE MODELS HAVE

HEALTHY DOSES OF QPF...BUT PLACE IT DIFFERENTLY DEPENDING ON THEIR

TRACKING. OUR FCST GRIDS HAVE 1 TO 4 INCHES THRU 00Z THU IN THE NW

PTN OF OUR FA. I AM VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT...THIS MAY BE TOO

LIGHT. LOW PROB 1 OR 2 INCHES EVEN DOWN TO NEAR PHL.

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So what happened the past couple of days? The gfs say maybe front end snow? It will probably trend north though given it's 72 hours out and La Ninas tend to have that effect on storms.

The GFS is finally catching on to the south trend. Euro, Ukie and GGEM are further south and east than the GFS. GEFS also shifted a little southeast.

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