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Weekend "Storm" Discussion Part III, 2/18-2/19


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But you know never from me, I don't get the whole regionalization thing anyway, weather is weather and it doesn't break down along subforums. From a historical perspective this will be a lot of fun to watch for those of you in VA/WV/WNC...and hopefully parts of MD, DE and SNJ.

Balt put out an updated discussion a bit ago, very good one. http://www.nws.noaa....type=discussion

The 18z NAM is outstanding for a lot of people.

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and to be fair folks, Messenger gives the same model insight/analysis in the NE forum and does a great job imho; ironically, he gets a lot of flack from weenies in the NE forum too, so don't take it as anything other than his unbiased opinion

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I may have jumped all over you unfairly but last night we had a few jokers in here and perhaps they poisoned the well for you a bit. Sorry if I was quick to snap at you.

No problem, like I said I'm here for the weather I don't get into the regional stuff. I hope you guys all get buried and to be honest I don't pay much attention to where anyone is from in the signatures...so when I make a comment it's not directed at anyone/region.

This one has fascinated me from the beginning only because of the modeling inconsistencies. I'm still half wondering if we see a bump north in the end, and am definitely hoping that happens for those of you on the fringe.

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Euro Verbatim, other models just add confusion.

I do remember a storm back in January of 2007 where 24 hours before EVERY model, GFS/ECMWF/UKMET/GGEM, all showed a quick hitting 2-4 or 3-5" type snow for our area and only the NAM was saying it wouldnt develop in time and slide OTS. Of course the NAM won in that case and every other model folded. Now the NAM is crap overall with large scale features and worthless outside 24 hours for the most part when trying to forecast synoptic scale events but saying just take the euro verbatim is foolish.

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No problem, like I said I'm here for the weather I don't get into the regional stuff. I hope you guys all get buried and to be honest I don't pay much attention to where anyone is from in the signatures...so when I make a comment it's not directed at anyone/region.

This one has fascinated me from the beginning only because of the modeling inconsistencies. I'm still half wondering if we see a bump north in the end, and am definitely hoping that happens for those of you on the fringe.

I am pretty well out of this one, I am very far north in our region, might as well be in PA but I am rooting like hell for the DC people. I at least got an 8" snow back in October and they missed out completely.

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the GFS usually has a broad precip field.....it would be encouraging to see it come along at 18z.....

While the euro is the best model, it's not perfect.

Rgem coming up is pretty important, IMO, to see if the NAM/JMA have a clue with the stronger precip north.

Ukie is just as north as the nam as well, but has lighter bands on the northern edge.

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NAM is harder to toss at this range tho QPF likely high. I don't think anyone can say with certainty where banding sets up on N edge tho there is usually some space between it and actual edge. If GFS goes that dir heavily might be something but the Euro seems locked in more or les.

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NAM is harder to toss at this range tho QPF likely high. I don't think anyone can say with certainty where banding sets up on N edge tho there is usually some space between it and actual edge. If GFS goes that dir heavily might be something but the Euro seems locked in more or les.

The euro before Jan. 27, 2011 had .50"-.75" qpf for 3-4 runs in a row for NYC. The GFS had even less; only .50" total for 3 runs in a row.

NYC received triple that amount.

Of course, that was a more dynamic event, but the euro is not a perfect model, especially for qpf totals.

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I looked at FOUS for DCA and NAM has 0.46 from the 18Z run. Very nice trend here and i would not ignore it.

I can ignore it. I've seen it screw the pooch this close before. The difference here, is whether or not the GFS follows. With the QPF and the nrn edge so sharp. 30 miles means a lot.

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The euro before Jan. 27, 2011 had .50"-.75" qpf for 3-4 runs in a row for NYC. The GFS had even less; only .50" total for 3 runs in a row.

NYC received triple that amount.

Of course, that was a more dynamic event, but the euro is not a perfect model, especially for qpf totals.

I'm looking for consistency more than a brand name. I don't think we can say the NAM has had a ton of consistency. I do take its banding signals to heart tho.. Could be a fine line here.

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I'm looking for consistency more than a brand name. I don't think we can say the NAM has had a ton of consistency. I do take its banding signals to heart tho.. Could be a fine line here.

Would have felt better if the rgem didn't go so south on its new run. This model is usually very good inside of 36 hours, especially with banding and mesoscale features.

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Well as of now I still think RIC s the place to be. Given temp issues and precip wasted in rain maybe 4-6 inches is the best they could do, but at least it seems like a lock. Actually probably west of there ..deeper toward the Blue Ridge has the best shot of a major snowstorm, but I'm heading up I-95 ..not gonna get too daring. LOL

I wouldn't trust the NAM until at least 0Z personally..I've seen it fold even as late as this.

The GFS is a little less interesting for MBY

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Well as of now I still think RIC s the place to be. Given temp issues and precip wasted in rain maybe 4-6 inches is the best they could do, but at least it seems like a lock. Actually probably west of there ..deeper toward the Blue Ridge has the best shot of a major snowstorm, but I'm heading up I-95 ..not gonna get too daring. LOL

I wouldn't trust the NAM until at least 0Z personally..I've seen it fold even as late as this.

Might want to be in the westrrn end oit toward shortpump verses near thr airport. Even though it is not as obvious, those locations are at a highe altitude than the east end near airport.

Should help snow totals out that way.

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Well if we were to use our brain, I'd think you'd have to have precip to get banding of snow. Just the way I see it, though I guess that may just be the favorable area, though Amped/Madcheese is right, it hit on 1/30/2010

Well, no shiz sherlock.. but it lines up well right with the nw part of the precip shield.. aka where the banding almost always is

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