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2/19 East Coast Winter Storm Threat (Part 2)


OKpowdah

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Hard to believe the combo of warm and dry is as bad as it is. I just remember telling you in 10 as bad as you perceived it, it could be much worse. Now you know what I mean't. Remember I grew up in SRI, but even there this is the worst.

2010 is still up there for me, but for different reasons.

This season is 100x more boring...weenies down. That season just had so many near misses of huge events...all I could do was peer through the window as others danced naked and engaged in a 200yr meterological orgy.

At least this year, we're all impotent....nothing but limp, distraught innies for thousands and thousands of miles, for as far as the eye can see.

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Its really not that big a difference...I think its just happened a couple times in the past winter to make it seem like it does more...1/12/11 and 10/29/11...I mean, remember they got porked in the 1/27/11 storm when the death band set up over Ginx/NW RI. Don't forget 12/19/09 either.

The differences in average snowfall is almost all elevation driven and some upslope enhancement depending on what side of the Berkshire crest you are on. A slightly lesser phenomenon occurs in the ORH hills.

Oh it's more than a couple of times. Hard to quantify offshore misses of deforms versus deforms in the interior. Of course there are southern examples where they were missed but I am not alone in noticing that deform bands are much more common in that arc than they are here. Part of the reason I believe is frictional, partly thermoclinic, and partly intensity. I need to find that Eastern post.

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The last time I got in the sweet spot of historic deform band was probably Dec 9, 2005....it has not happened much.

Jan 2005 was just widespread 20"+ because of insane rations....the real heart of that band was a bit se of me. March 2001 was a little west of me and Jan '96 was of course se of me.

I'd have to say that I def. caught it in April 1997.

It just seem like I never catch the outside of it and leave a spot like ORH on the outside looking in.

Jan 2011 the sweetest band was w of me.

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Oh it's more than a couple of times. Hard to quantify offshore misses of deforms versus deforms in the interior. Of course there are southern examples where they were missed but I am not alone in noticing that deform bands are much more common in that arc than they are here. Part of the reason I believe is frictional, partly thermoclinic, and partly intensity. I need to find that Eastern post.

You'd have to produce a large body of evidence that it happens more there than anywhere else otherwise its just selective memory to me. We always notice a bit more when we just miss out. There's def some upslope enhancement anywhere you have terrain like that, but the heart of death bands is mid-level driven.

You can get localized enhancement within larger areas of moderate to heavy precip. But if we are talking about bands like 1/12/11 and 10/29/11, then its all mid-level driven...there's a reason we said they could get death bands in those storms because it was sticking out like a sore thumb on the 700mb charts. We didn't call for death bands there in Dec 2009 or 1/27/11. They got porked in Feb 2006 too when Springfield to Hartford was getting 20-25 inches of snow and they got 3-6"...crazy gradient just to their east.

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There's no question over in our area, Orange County NY always pulls deformation bands and high totals out of their ass. It could be a storm that mainly is a NYC east event yet somehow they pull out the highest total of anyone west of that line and come close to the highest one on LI.

Dendrite to GC is like that here.

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There's no question over in our area, Orange County NY always pulls deformation bands and high totals out of their ass. It could be a storm that mainly is a NYC east event yet somehow they pull out the highest total of anyone west of that line and come close to the highest one on LI.

Westchester and Rockland usually miss the death bands in major coastals and end up with 12-16" while NJ, central LI, and Orange County always seem to be ground zero for ridiculous snowfalls. I only had 13", 14.5", and 14" in the three major events last year in Dobbs Ferry, also had much less in 12/19/09 and 2/10/10 than parts of LI with moderate snowfalls in both events. Uncanny.

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Westchester and Rockland usually miss the death bands in major coastals and end up with 12-16" while NJ, central LI, and Orange County always seem to be ground zero for ridiculous snowfalls. I only had 13", 14.5", and 14" in the three major events last year in Dobbs Ferry, also had much less in 12/19/09 and 2/10/10 than parts of LI with moderate snowfalls in both events. Uncanny.

I grew up in northern NJ and we always were close to the jackpot with some epic events in the 1950s and 60s.

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I grew up in northern NJ and we always were close to the jackpot with some epic events in the 1950s and 60s.

Yeah, 3/60 was probably huge there (and in Dobbs Ferry where 28" fell)....as well as the 60-61 events (all 18+ in Westchester, with 24" falling in the 2/61 event.) You probably made out really nicely in the late-season storms of 66-67 and 57-58 as well. Westchester did really nicely in the two March 1958 events getting like 30" down at Dobbs Ferry that month.

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Yeah, 3/60 was probably huge there (and in Dobbs Ferry where 28" fell)....as well as the 60-61 events (all 18+ in Westchester, with 24" falling in the 2/61 event.) You probably made out really nicely in the late-season storms of 66-67 and 57-58 as well. Westchester did really nicely in the two March 1958 events getting like 30" down at Dobbs Ferry that month.

I was already in college during 1966-7 but yes on 57-58. March of 1956 was epic as well.

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Yeah, 3/60 was probably huge there (and in Dobbs Ferry where 28" fell)....as well as the 60-61 events (all 18+ in Westchester, with 24" falling in the 2/61 event.) You probably made out really nicely in the late-season storms of 66-67 and 57-58 as well. Westchester did really nicely in the two March 1958 events getting like 30" down at Dobbs Ferry that month.

Lived in N. Morris cty 1950-71, and we had a run of big storms that beats anything I've experienced in Maine:

3/18-18/56: 24"

2/58: 15-16" and very cold

3/21-22/58: 24"

3/3/60: 18" (1st of 4 in less than a year)

12/60: 18" (NJ deer eason opener)

1/61: 20" (the JFK inaugural storm)

2/61: 24" (Snowpack to over 40", maybe 45". Nearby loc. 47-52")

1/64: 18"

1/66: 15-18" (cheating: Baltimore blizzard while I was at Hopkins)

2/69: 18" (the Lindsay storm)

No biggies in March 67, but 30"+ for the month, and 15" storms 12/24/66 and early Feb. Over 100" for the season, incl. 3" on 4/27.

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Yeah, 3/60 was probably huge there (and in Dobbs Ferry where 28" fell)....as well as the 60-61 events (all 18+ in Westchester, with 24" falling in the 2/61 event.) You probably made out really nicely in the late-season storms of 66-67 and 57-58 as well. Westchester did really nicely in the two March 1958 events getting like 30" down at Dobbs Ferry that month.

Where's Dobbs Ferry? Never heard you mention it before ...

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