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Central PA Winter Cont'd cont'd


The Iceman

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YOu said that if 12z didn't show a tick north, it was over...now you are waiting till tonight?

Look, I like your enthusiasm, but let's be realistic. To expect a 100-150 mile shift north at this point is hoping for a miracle.

This one is not happening...sorry.

well a 50 miles shift is all us in southern PA really need

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well a 50 miles shift is all us in southern PA really need

Yeah, I guess...but I mean, even that at this point, you might get what, 2-4, 1-3 inches?

To get anything significant, you are going to need that 100-150 mile shift, and if you are more than 25 miles off the PA/MD border, you need that 100 mile shift to get anything at all.

For the majority of this board, this is over.

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YOu said that if 12z didn't show a tick north, it was over...now you are waiting till tonight?

Look, I like your enthusiasm, but let's be realistic. To expect a 100-150 mile shift north at this point is hoping for a miracle.

This one is not happening...sorry.

NAM come north, ggem is more north. Still got models showing some snow. Not time to bail just yet. If I bailed in 09 when the models were all south till a day out I would have looked silly cause I got 15" when the day before was only showing 1-3"

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NAM come north, ggem is more north. Still got models showing some snow. Not time to bail just yet. If I bailed in 09 when the models were all south till a day out I would have looked silly cause I got 15" when the day before was only showing 1-3"

I'm hanging in with you. I can remember several times where there were major last-minute shifts.

When I was in high school (1999-2003), there was a storm that was supposed to dump a ton of snow on Lancaster. I went to bed expecting a white landscape when I woke up. 8 hours later, no snow at all, but Philly was getting hammered. We ended up with nothing from that system, and that was forecast to be a sure thing within 12 hours of the event.

We can do our best to analyze/interpret/rationalize the data we see, but in the end, it's nature, and nature can be an unpredictable b****

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NAM come north, ggem is more north. Still got models showing some snow. Not time to bail just yet. If I bailed in 09 when the models were all south till a day out I would have looked silly cause I got 15" when the day before was only showing 1-3"

This is Friday, we are talking a storm for Sunday. I think you are right on this one, I think on later runs you will see more of the precipitation shield extending into southern pa. I don't think we will see a huge amount of snow here, but maybe a 1-3, or 2-4. Then again I could be wrong and we just see flurries.

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yeah, i'm with Zak too. Though i have low expectations, i have seen some strange $hit. Like the october storm, when everyone around had 6-9" ( and some places less then 2 miles) and i had 3" and nothing on paved surfaces..so, i will wait. I also have no science to back me up, but for some reason, it usually will come north.

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This is Friday, we are talking a storm for Sunday. I think you are right on this one, I think on later runs you will see more of the precipitation shield extending into southern pa. I don't think we will see a huge amount of snow here, but maybe a 1-3, or 2-4. Then again I could be wrong and we just see flurries.

Will gladly take anything at this point.

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Neffsville, you're talking about 12/30/2000. There was an insane east/west gradient with that storm. I will never forget waking up early to see the snow only to see stars above and a huge cloud bank to my east. There was measurable snow as close as Gap with that one.

So yeah, there is still time. I hope I jumped off this one too quickly, we'll see what happens.

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yeah, i'm with Zak too. Though i have low expectations, i have seen some strange $hit. Like the october storm, when everyone around had 6-9" ( and some places less then 2 miles) and i had 3" and nothing on paved surfaces..so, i will wait. I also have no science to back me up, but for some reason, it usually will come north.

This still bewilders me. I had 5.8" and 3" or so on bust 4th Street in the city. We need to figure out bird miles between us and our Wormlysburg brethren.
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Neffsville, you're talking about 12/30/2000. There was an insane east/west gradient with that storm. I will never forget waking up early to see the snow only to see stars above and a huge cloud bank to my east. There was measurable snow as close as Gap with that one.

So yeah, there is still time. I hope I jumped off this one too quickly, we'll see what happens.

That's the one.... I was so disappointed when I woke up.

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YOu said that if 12z didn't show a tick north, it was over...now you are waiting till tonight?

Look, I like your enthusiasm, but let's be realistic. To expect a 100-150 mile shift north at this point is hoping for a miracle.

This one is not happening...sorry.

We're probably in the same boat as the State College to Williamsport crew based on the orientation of the precip. We need some pretty dramatic shifts or it's over.

But I think the extreme south central crew has a little more reason for optimism.

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Interesting, this guy knows his stuff!

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Looking at the h5 flow and where the confluence is, this does have room to adjust north. I have also seen this depiction of the heavy precip banding moving into WV then just dying out northeast of there time and again and usually it is wrong. The globals have major issues with the point of transfer when a low is inland over the southeast and too many times they make mistakes during the process or redevelopment along the NC coast. This more then anything else seems to lead to this "north trend" in the last 36 hours we usually see as they resolve this problem. I have much less confidence of a northward trend in a Nina then in other years but I would lean towards a northward adjustment with this storm in the final 36 hours.

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