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2/19 East Coast Winter Storm Threat


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we'll see how things evolve but the actual ens mean might not be all that helpful in a situation where it's amped vs flat. of course, reality could end up in between giving you something akin to the actual mean, but sometimes one camp is just flat out right while the other is just basically wrong.

I thought the same thing.

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Clearly they hadn't viewed the UK which now agrees with the GFS.

THE GFS APPEARS TO HAVE WORSE INITIALIZATION OF THE TROUGH'S

PLACEMENT OVER BRITISH COLUMBIA AND NUNAVUT THIS MORNING COMPARED

TO THE NAM/ECMWF. MEANWHILE...THE GFS IS MOST AGGRESSIVE IN

ALLOWING AN UPSTREAM PERTURBATION CURRENTLY OVER THE PACIFIC TO

CUT THROUGH THE SHORTWAVE RIDGE OVER THE CANADIAN ROCKIES ON

THURSDAY...WHICH THEN PHASES WITH THE NORTHERN STREAM AND SLOWS

THE ENTIRE GFS SOLUTION. THE COMBINATION OF WORSE INITIALIZATION

AND QUESTIONABLE AND EVEN SUSPICIOUS PHASING OF THE SEPARATE

STREAMS IS SUFFICIENT TO DISCARD THE GFS PARTICULARLY LATE IN THE

PERIOD. AMONG THE REMAINING SOLUTIONS...THE NAM BECOMES SLIGHTLY

FASTER THAN THE 00Z ECMWF/UKMET/CANADIAN WHICH ARE ALL IN

AGREEMENT. GIVEN THE NARROWER WINDOW FOR DATA ASSIMILATION IN THE

NAM VERSUS THE OTHER REMAINING SOLUTIONS...ALONG WITH THE

CLUSTERING OF THE NON-NCEP MEMBERS...THE PREFERENCE IS FOR THE

ECMWF.

CONFIDENCE: LESS THAN AVERAGE

Also, I found it odd that the latest Pac data made it into this GFS run, and yet, there appear to be init errors contributing to the amped solution.

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Also, I found it odd that the latest Pac data made it into this GFS run, and yet, there appear to be init errors contributing to the amped solution.

If the Euro comes around to teh same type solution NCEP will change their tune entirely on the next update at 2pm ish.

They do this frequently when they perceive the GFS is on an unsupported tangent. If it were the Euro on the tangent...different story :)

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Clearly they hadn't viewed the UK which now agrees with the GFS.

THE GFS APPEARS TO HAVE WORSE INITIALIZATION OF THE TROUGH'S

PLACEMENT OVER BRITISH COLUMBIA AND NUNAVUT THIS MORNING COMPARED

TO THE NAM/ECMWF. MEANWHILE...THE GFS IS MOST AGGRESSIVE IN

ALLOWING AN UPSTREAM PERTURBATION CURRENTLY OVER THE PACIFIC TO

CUT THROUGH THE SHORTWAVE RIDGE OVER THE CANADIAN ROCKIES ON

THURSDAY...WHICH THEN PHASES WITH THE NORTHERN STREAM AND SLOWS

THE ENTIRE GFS SOLUTION. THE COMBINATION OF WORSE INITIALIZATION

AND QUESTIONABLE AND EVEN SUSPICIOUS PHASING OF THE SEPARATE

STREAMS IS SUFFICIENT TO DISCARD THE GFS PARTICULARLY LATE IN THE

PERIOD. AMONG THE REMAINING SOLUTIONS...THE NAM BECOMES SLIGHTLY

FASTER THAN THE 00Z ECMWF/UKMET/CANADIAN WHICH ARE ALL IN

AGREEMENT. GIVEN THE NARROWER WINDOW FOR DATA ASSIMILATION IN THE

NAM VERSUS THE OTHER REMAINING SOLUTIONS...ALONG WITH THE

CLUSTERING OF THE NON-NCEP MEMBERS...THE PREFERENCE IS FOR THE

ECMWF.

CONFIDENCE: LESS THAN AVERAGE

I was going to post this, but I believe this was before the 12z runs, gfs ingested pac recon, and the 12ukmet seemed to at least slightly bucked that trend.

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12Z UKMET looks like a pretty nice snowstorm. Now how does it do it from 96 to 120? GFS had it similarly and moved the low up to near ACK and then shot it almost due East. Does the UKMET do that? In any case, it's clear to me that the models today for 12Z are sniffing it. If all but CMC are a hit, what is DT going to say?

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I was going to post this, but I believe this was before the 12z runs, gfs ingested pac recon, and the 12ukmet seemed to at least slightly bucked that trend.

I dont know. . The preface the discussion with this, indicating the eval includes the 12z gfs run:

MODEL DIAGNOSTIC DISCUSSION

NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD

1137 AM EST WED FEB 15 2012

VALID FEB 15/1200 UTC THRU FEB 19/0000 UTC

...SEE NOUS42 KWNO ADMNFD FOR THE STATUS OF THE UPPER AIR INGEST...

12Z NAM/GFS EVALUATION AND PRELIMINARY PREFERENCES

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12Z UKMET looks like a pretty nice snowstorm. Now how does it do it from 96 to 120? GFS had it similarly and moved the low up to near ACK and then shot it almost due East. Does the UKMET do that? In any case, it's clear to me that the models today for 12Z are sniffing it. If all but CMC are a hit, what is DT going to say?

ALERT....ALERT..

IGNORE ALL MODELS THAT SHOW SNOW FOR THE NORTHEAST... THIS IS NOT A JOKE!!

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Why do people put significance on the GEFS mean? Is it the trending?

Not so much trending as it is corroboration. By subjecting the model to slight perturbations, you come up with an idea of how variable the solutions might be, one of which is the Op.. The more agreement among the gefs members, the greater the likelihood the Op model isnt on crack, so to speak..

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You know it's weird. Looking at the 500mb heights on the ensembles, it does make you wonder how a big storm is possible. I know it's happened before, but even the ridge out west is kind of blah looking..although sufficient for something. Eh, crazier things have happened I guess.

I think it's more just good timing for a decent sized storm. Until the Euro works NW and we see the models stay NW for a full 2 runs, I have a hard time thinking it's going to be that extreme. A storm through the BM sure....to ACK? We'll see.

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Also, I found it odd that the latest Pac data made it into this GFS run, and yet, there appear to be init errors contributing to the amped solution.

I think they did this with either the Boxing Day storm last year, or one like it...where they discounted a threat only to have it pan out...

Still, I wonder if the UKMET office purchases initialization data from NCEP ?

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I think they did this with either the Boxing Day storm last year, or one like it...where they discounted a threat only to have it pan out...

Still, I wonder if the UKMET office purchases initialization data from NCEP ?

Well, everyone including Jesus himself had balied on the Boxing day storm.

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