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2012 Winter Banter Thread #3


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yawn.. i know snow is the most important thing to you so i dont ever expect you to act like a friend here. plus you have everyone on your side anyway.. hopefully we back into a 2-4" that happens completely different than your crystal ball saw a week ago. at least the range will be good and that's all that matter.s

Those who are level-headed, they've been smart. But I agree, letting model runs jerk emotions up and down IS strange and not good. I mean, why let a hobby shake you up that much, you know?

That sort of thing is as old as ne.weather of course; probably isn't going to change.

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time to throw out a pretty statistic. not trying to be a weenie or give a stupid post but this offered a little comfort to me.

(all winters with less than 5 inches at BWI and then the following winter)

1889-1890 .4.9 - 35.9

1918-1919 4.0 - 14.9

1931-1932 4.2 - 27.9

1949-1950 .7 - 6.2

1959 -1960 4.0 - 34.1

1972 -1973 1.2 - 17.1

1980 -1981 4.6 - 25.5

1991-1992 4.1 - 24.4

1997-1998 3.2 - 15.2

2001-2002 2.3 - 58.1

Avg 3.32 - 25.9

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Those who are level-headed, they've been smart. But I agree, letting model runs jerk emotions up and down IS strange and not good. I mean, why let a hobby shake you up that much, you know?

That sort of thing is as old as ne.weather of course; probably isn't going to change.

it's hard to look at a model, even the nam, that dumps snow on you and say "unimportant" .. and im sure i've gotten wrapped up in the wrong solution before because i wanted snow. the thing that bothers me is some of the "hopeful" are also really smart it's just harder to tell sometimes when it comes to snow talk. i guess in the end it should not bother me at all. im glad to except some fault.. always have been. even ppl we've never met in person on here we've been conversing with yrs in many cases.. i think people don't give eachother enough credit when it comes to "knowing" someone through interaction online -- which im sure you agree given past discussions on the online v offline self.

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lookin' pretty good so far here.

yeah, I mentioned last night that if the drier model progs verified, people down south are going to be disappointed (outside the mts)

place for this one seems to be at Big Meadows lodge or one of the cabins....relatively close, cheap, and as close to guaranteed to get 6"+

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yeah, I emntioned last night that if the drier model progs verified, people down south are going to be disappointed (outside the mts)

place for this one seems to be at Big Meadows lodge or one of the cabins....relatively close, cheap, and as closed to guaranteed to get 6"+

yes.. agreed elevation/rates are critical. mos is still mid-upper 40s tomorrow.. it might be high but this is not the way to prep for a marginal snowstorm.

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yeah, I mentioned last night that if the drier model progs verified, people down south are going to be disappointed (outside the mts)

place for this one seems to be at Big Meadows lodge or one of the cabins....relatively close, cheap, and as close to guaranteed to get 6"+

I would say further south then that, somewhere along the blue ridge parkway near Roanoke is probably a good bet, or maybe some of the ridges in southern WV.

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it's hard to look at a model, even the nam, that dumps snow on you and say "unimportant" .. and im sure i've gotten wrapped up in the wrong solution before because i wanted snow. the thing that bothers me is some of the "hopeful" are also really smart it's just harder to tell sometimes when it comes to snow talk. i guess in the end it should not bother me at all. im glad to except some fault.. always have been. even ppl we've never met in person on here we've been conversing with yrs in many cases.. i think people don't give eachother enough credit when it comes to "knowing" someone through interaction online -- which im sure you agree given past discussions on the online v offline self.

Yeah....agreed.

I view fights on here often in the same light as I view fights with friends or among friends. You and Matt have had these sort of things before.

I've tried my best to react to individual model runs based on stuff like what the people here who know more than me think, whether a trend is realistic, etc. At this point, actually, I am following this just to hopefully see a large portion of my weather board friends get some snow.

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Well, here's my latest attempt at a snowfall map. I know, yesterday I was on the "HUGE STORM!!!" train, but I must now admit that was incorrect and I have shifted my forecast to match most of the consensus.

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From most of what I've seen, I think your map will be way off in far swva, southern wv, and eastern ky.

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Someone in VA is going to jackpot at 10" or so - perhaps even up to 14". Not widespread, but there's enough moisture for someone to get up there from a band or two.

14 seems a stretch. I doubt anyone will do better than10:1 and I kinda doubt 10:1. Maybe a high peak.

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14 seems a stretch. I doubt anyone will do better than10:1 and I kinda doubt 10:1. Maybe a high peak.

Probably so, but since I have nothing riding on such a call, I might as well see if I can guess right on the high end. ;)

That said, it looks like some potentially good totals in the mountains/hills of SW VA. That was more my line of thinking in throwing those numbers out there.

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His lips to God's ears...

I'm a weenie, no degree in meteorology, so here's my call for Baltimore: flurries, maybe a light coating on grass and cartops, nothing more.

i think i'd have to favor your forecast..

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Interesting how the water vapor loop shows a dry "line" of seemingly the southern limit of the northern stream

my weenie mind is hoping that represents the snow line (assuming, of course, it doesn't drift south)

does look like moisture from the southern stream is already feeding north of it

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/eaus/flash-wv.html

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I know we don't discuss them, but the ARW and NMM are just tragic.

its going to be painful for some tomorrow to watch the heavy precip moving into WV aimed right at us, get all excited, only to see it wither and fall apart as the energy shifts to the coastal front shutting off the mechanism for the precip. All of the models now indicate that this whole system really falls apart as the transfer takes place since there is not much northern stream interaction and not a lot of cold air so not even much mechanism for lift or dynamics once the energy jumps to the coast. Sad sad sad

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He's got a degree in meteorology from Northern Illinois U. so he's as much as a met as I am....heck maybe more since he still is actually working in the field.

oops, my apologies to Mr. Pann; I don't know why I thought otherwise except I must have confused him w/somebody on the local channels that doesn't (until recently, most on the local tv didn't have met degrees)

I still think his call is bullish based on existing guidance, not that I want him to be wrong of course

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