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2012 Winter Banter Thread #3


yoda

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As far as I remember the past few years tracking storms on models, almost every storm I can remember except from 2009-10 had a set of model runs that showed a complete whiff before the storm and everybody jumped off faster than they started riding the models 7 days out.

Not saying I think it's coming north, but its gonna be damn funny if it does.

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exactly. north trend storms are probably more memorable in the jan 30 case as well as the case where they trend further north and slam someone else (the snow guys up north are much more annoying than the ones who rarely get it south, not to mention it often ends up rain when south). im an ardent believer in the north trend over history.. i think i've made up a 9 of 10 stat in the past. but it definitely does not happen all the time and probably less than we think as you point to. this year it just doesnt want to snow here. that's not to say it never will or can't but it doesnt want to.

The crazy thing this winter is it doesn't want to snow ANYWHERE. The whole country has done pretty poorly - even moreso the east coast. It's not like SNE or anyone else has had anything to speak of this year either. I'm used to us not getting snow, but when the northern tier is blanked for a whole year too, it is strange indeed.

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well nam came north a little bit. looks like it's a matter of how well these systems phase. i don't know whether we want the northern energy to speed up or the southern energy to slow down, but from reading the discussions it seems like that is the situation. the 6z nam came north for sure at hr 42...has the 0.1" line up to dc now whereas the 0z had it down near fredericksburg. looks a little wetter too in central va. the current radar in texas is juicy and at least from eyes doesn't look like it wants to go due east...i've seen worse trajectories. gonna be a close call...we still have time to make a late game run imo.

it helps that the overnight model discussion stated:

HOWEVER...THE 00Z ECMWF/00Z UKMET REVERSED THAT

TREND AND HAVE STRENGTHENED THIS SYSTEM ALOFT...WITH THE ECMWF

BRINGING A CLOSED 700 HPA LOW INTO SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA...NO LONGER

LOOKING AS ELONGATED.

current water vapor loop (storm is commencing):

http://www.goes.noaa...LOOPS/ecwv.html

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well nam came north a little bit. looks like it's a matter of how well these systems phase. i don't know whether we want the northern energy to speed up or the southern energy to slow down, but from reading the discussions it seems like that is the situation. the 6z nam came north for sure at hr 42...has the 0.1" line up to dc now whereas the 0z had it down near fredericksburg. looks a little wetter too in central va. the current radar in texas is juicy and at least from eyes doesn't look like it wants to go due east...i've seen worse trajectories. gonna be a close call...we still have time to make a late game run imo.

it helps that the overnight model discussion stated:

HOWEVER...THE 00Z ECMWF/00Z UKMET REVERSED THAT

TREND AND HAVE STRENGTHENED THIS SYSTEM ALOFT...WITH THE ECMWF

BRINGING A CLOSED 700 HPA LOW INTO SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA...NO LONGER

LOOKING AS ELONGATED.

current water vapor loop (storm is commencing):

http://www.goes.noaa...LOOPS/ecwv.html

I "think" the interplay between the s/w dropping south from western NEB and the southern trough will be the key depicted clearly on this wv loop

the 6z models and RUC have that stronger than what they were showing yesterday and on the 0Z runs (but for the Euro)

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/eaus/flash-wv.html

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Tony Pann (WBAL) on his Facebook Page:

OK...you have to jump in the pool at some point, so here goes: I know that most of the modeling has this storm missing Baltimore to the south...but, I have a suspicion that it won’t. I’m going to jump in with a cannon ball: It starts in the afternoon on Sunday, and ends overnight...most accumulations will wait until near or after sunset. 3” to 6” for the Baltimore Metro Area, 1”to 3” near the PA Line, and a stripe of 4” to 8” across Southern MD and parts of the Lower Eastern Shore. You might as well go down swinging! Below is the 03z run of the SERF..that clearly has us in the precip (valid Sunday Evening) I reserve the right to update this forecast at the last moment.... :)

:o

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Tony Pann (WBAL) on his Facebook Page:

:o

first, all the SREF runs had us in snow, so that's nothing new

second, Tony's not a met, but he certainly can read models like the rest of us

he's banking on a shift north, also like many have suggested

I wouldn't get excited over his prediction, however, because if the models today shift south again he'll change it

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I "think" the interplay between the s/w dropping south from western NEB and the southern trough will be the key depicted clearly on this wv loop

the 6z models and RUC have that stronger than what they were showing yesterday and on the 0Z runs (but for the Euro)

http://www.ssd.noaa....s/flash-wv.html

yea that's what i'm focusing on as well. i'm not too focused on the precip down in louisiana. i'm assuming all of that is gonna slide off to our south. i feel like the models have been showing that signature you mentioned for a while, which should determine how far north the precip on our doorstep goes.

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first, all the SREF runs had us in snow, so that's nothing new

second, Tony's not a met, but he certainly can read models like the rest of us

he's banking on a shift north, also like many have suggested

I wouldn't get excited over his prediction, however, because if the models today shift south again he'll change it

Wait, what?

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first, all the SREF runs had us in snow, so that's nothing new

second, Tony's not a met, but he certainly can read models like the rest of us

he's banking on a shift north, also like many have suggested

I wouldn't get excited over his prediction, however, because if the models today shift south again he'll change it

He's got a degree in meteorology from Northern Illinois U. so he's as much as a met as I am....heck maybe more since he still is actually working in the field.

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