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2012 Winter Banter Thread #3


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If the RGEM verifies and Richmond out snows us this year then ... then ... seriously that can't really happen can it?

Has Richmond ever gotten more snow than DCA in a year?

Just from a quick glance at climo stats, RIC finished with more snow than DCA in 2010-2011, 01-02, 97-98, 82-83, 79-80, 76-77, 72-73, 70-71, 68-69, 65-66, 64-65, 61-62, 59-60 and 58-59. There are obviously more in the preceding decades as well. It used to occur more frequently but never really on a regular basis if you look at all the data. In short, it's definitely not out of the question.

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I think I like 1-2 dc north and 2-4 south of town

That's more of less my thinking though I'd love to be wrong on the high side. I could see us getting no accumulations so I might be tempted to put out a t-2 inch or DC and north and a 2-4 to the southwest and maybe 1-3 where I live though I think I might struggle to get the high end.

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That's more of less my thinking though I'd love to be wrong on the high side. I could see us getting no accumulations so I might be tempted to put out a t-2 inch or DC and north and a 2-4 to the southwest and maybe 1-3 where I live though I think I might struggle to get the high end.

The NAM will get the 1" line to DC tonight. Book it!

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Ec had me worried down here-- .4 qpf at 33 over 12 hours isn't going to accumulate well.

For some reason, I have a feeling if this turns out to be a total dud up here, it's also going to underwhelming in Richmond/Virginia. Could be a situation where everyone ends up with 1 to 2 inches, us for lack of precip, downstate for Temps, with the exception of Southwest Virginia. But not yet completely ruling a more favorable solution for everyone

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That's more of less my thinking though I'd love to be wrong on the high side. I could see us getting no accumulations so I might be tempted to put out a t-2 inch or DC and north and a 2-4 to the southwest and maybe 1-3 where I live though I think I might struggle to get the high end.

Wes, I'm just curious here. Obviously the trends are bad and expectations have been set reasonably low. Considering that our only chance at getting more than a couple of inches comes from the n&w precip shield, is there anything tangible that can go in our favor at this point?

reason I'm asking is that there has been some decent solutions with the shield being pretty darn wet in tn and wv. Is there anything I can watch on the models to that would indicate that the nw side of the storm may potentially end up being better organized and stronger or is that part pretty much set in stone at this point?

It's seems a shame to think that we got this close after such a long wait this year and it's going to miss us to the s.

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The NAM will get the 1" line to DC tonight. Book it!

Choose from the following - combine any three for the prize:

- Gut instinct

- Just that "feeling"

- Inevitable north trend

- Init. errors

- Looks "off" to your untrained eye

- Looks "off" to your trained eye

- HPC threw it out

- Euro isn't really good inside 72 hours

- New data from the GFS will be incorporated into the NAM which in turn feeds into the SREFS

- h5 doesn't support the surface

- Northern stream enhancement supports the tropospheric warming of the MDC layer resulting in a frontogenic lift of the ultimate sort

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Choose from the following - combine any three for the prize:

- Gut instinct

- Just that "feeling"

- Inevitable north trend

- Init. errors

- Looks "off" to your untrained eye

- Looks "off" to your trained eye

- HPC threw it out

- Euro isn't really good inside 72 hours

- New data from the GFS will be incorporated into the NAM which in turn feeds into the SREFS

- h5 doesn't support the surface

- Northern stream enhancement supports the tropospheric warming of the MDC layer resulting in a frontogenic lift of the ultimate sort

I choose:

- Gut instinct

- Inevitable north trend

- Looks "off" to your (semi)trained eye

What's my prize again? B)

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For some reason, I have a feeling if this turns out to be a total dud up here, it's also going to underwhelming in Richmond/Virginia. Could be a situation where everyone ends up with 1 to 2 inches, us for lack of precip, downstate for Temps, with the exception of Southwest Virginia. But not yet completely ruling a more favorable solution for everyone

Thanks for keeping it real

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I choose:

- Gut instinct

- Inevitable north trend

- Looks "off" to your (semi)trained eye

What's my prize again? B)

It was sort of like that game on the playground where the kid would yell "mystery box" and throw the ball. You thought it would contain the Euro, only the JMA was inside.

Actually, in this case, flipping those would be more relevant.

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I guess I should also add that Corpus Christi had ground equip problems and couldn't get a balloon up in two tries...so no 00Z sounding from them. There's pretty good coverage down there and the flow is fairly uni-directional in that area so might not matter too much.

EDIT: I see data up to 825 mb before the flight terminated...so it's not nothing...

Another choice for the list.

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It was sort of like that game on the playground where the kid would yell "mystery box" and throw the ball - you thought it would contain the Euro. Instead, the JMA was inside.

Actually, in this case, flipping those would be more relevant.

But every once in a while someone is nice and it contains the NAM... And the game is called 500 or Jackpot FYI....

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Living in NYC has made me aware of the positive benefits of the N trend much more frequently... in this case it's actually great for DC. It has happened with every storm this winter and I don't think this will be an exception; I like 4-6" for McLean, with the potential for those #'s to bust low, not high. Mock me all you want but these situations don't typically turn out bad for us, and I would expect a jog north on the models tonight into tomorrow.

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ahh yes Jan 25 2000 in the making thats what happened then here we go

Correct me if I am wrong cause was in southern Virginia at the time. But if I recall correctly, March 2009 was also suppose to be a southern Virginia snowstorm that crept north at the last minute. I remember we were suppose to get our only snow of the year near Richmond. We did, like 6 to 9 inches, but DC also got 6 to 9 when they were not suppose to until the final day before?

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