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2012 Winter Banter Thread #3


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Here is JB's whole conversation from this morning:

"aspects of the weekend storm. The euro ensemble is directly on top of my track and the snow amounts are shown here. Please remember a storm like this is more likely to correct north than south as modeling is notorious for having too much northern branch in addition the water IS VERY WARM OFF THE EAST COAST, another factor that may aid in a shift north, but probably no more than 50 miles. This storm should go NORTH of Cape Hatteras but SOUTH of Norfolk. The storm is near MSY at 18z Sat and near the Mouth of the Chesapeake 18z Sunday. This is a pattern recognition event, with little wiggle room south and a bit more north. I want to emphasize you are not seeing a trend yet, nor is the faulty input yesterday causing the GFS shift south. Why would the euro shift north the way it has if it were. Its simply the modeling trying to get a hold of the players, listed 2 days ago and hone in. The argument for further north is 3 fold 1) most storms come further north on the east coast in Positive nao 2) The models look very strange in the great lakes in front running maxes 3) The southern system should be stronger, and pump the ridge more in front of it In any case l the 3 inch area runs through the big cities of I-95 from va north. with a 6 inch swath in there. I have had this track from the get go and think if I am going to move it, it will be north but not by all that much ( 50-75 miles. Again the euro ENSEMBLES have shifted and come to me, so confidence that I am identifying the right problem at least and the model is starting to see it is high. The 18z position Sunday is the Euro The water is very warm off the east coast! Heavy rains 1-2 inches near the track and severe weather is likely in the warm sector sat and sun"

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Model discussion should be in the model thread, if it needs to be deleted, you will take care of it with that itchy delete finger of yours ;)

Maybe Ellinwood can moderate the Banter thread, but I'm not going to unless someone say something very inappropriate (i.e., that breaks the broader board rules). I'd just prefer not to go to the Banter thread for the NAM and the Model thread for the GFS and back and forth.

Wasn't Matt saying last night that the Euro wanted to do it again next weekend?

0z Euro is pretty active storm-wise. Has a big cutter mid next week and then another coastal Day 9-10 plus another storm developing over the Rockies at the same time.

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Maybe Ellinwood can moderate the Banter thread, but I'm not going to unless someone say something very inappropriate (i.e., that breaks the broader board rules). I'd just prefer not to go to the Banter thread for the NAM and the Model thread for the GFS and back and forth.

0z Euro is pretty active storm-wise. Has a big cutter mid next week and then another coastal Day 9-10 plus another storm developing over the Rockies at the same time.

model run dissection should be over there but ppl can comment on whatever they want here

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It is a pretty good run, looks very similar to the 06Z gfs to me though the latter would start as rain. Would be a sloppy snow but would be our biggest snow this year if either verified. The models do seem to be converging towards a solution though I wouldn't be surprised by a hiccup or two.

I am starting to feel we are going to see a snowstorm that can completely cover the grass this winter, but would like to see Wes give us his 'feeling giddy' approval.

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I am starting to feel we are going to see a snowstorm that can completely cover the grass this winter, but would like to see Wes give us his 'feeling giddy' approval.

looks that way for most or all of us .. I'm gathering my camera gear and charging up. ;)

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Wasn't Matt saying last night that the Euro wanted to do it again next weekend?

You have to wonder if we could potentially entering our much hoped for "little winter period".

MJO is into phase 1 and forecast to make it to 2 before fizzling. It's been forecast to fizzle since phase 7 so who really knows.

DTK (i'm pretty sure) made an awesome response to my mjo post a couple days ago about the lag effect. The NAO responds about 15 days after MJO phase 7 and 8-1-2 is generally colder on the EC.

I don't know nearly enough about this stuff to make any type of lr prediction but you gotta wonder what's in store over the next couple of weeks. Euro is pointing towards more storminess already. I'm going to keep a close eye on the nao. If that damn thing goes negative AND we have split flow like we're having now AND we have cold air.......yikes. I shouldn't even be bringing this stuff up.

Where's bb?

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