KEITH L.I Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 winter is an F..rates up there with 97-98 and 01-02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Damage In Tolland Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share Posted February 11, 2012 Starting in October cold fronts came thru but it didn't get colder..there was no blocking at all in the fall and then thru the winter in Greenland. some.trees didn't change color here till early November..there was a big Ak vortex that was pumping mild pacific air starting in early November..every Euro weekly starting in early November was a blowtorch..there wasn't any fantasy snowstorms on GFS thru early January Well they were all ripped down by the snow before they could change lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 The stable stratospheric vortex, well actually the vortex was from the ground to the stratosphere, was a concern in November. Seeing such a stable feature Is concerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Did that worry or concern you at all? if so,,you certainly didn't let on. What was his reasoning? No. I think the weather is governed by the laws of chaos and therefore it is inherently unpredictable. I forget what his reason was this year. In May 2010 I was taking the storm windows off the house and he came by to say hello. He told me "just leave them on, we're going to have one hell of a Winter in a few months." I asked him why and he pointed to the prolific Spring blossoms on everything and he said anytime you see a Spring like this look out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 No they are not only apparent in hindsight.because these are things i thought of during the course of this fing disaster winter..some I posted about..others i kept to myself.. I can't possibly be the only one that saw things that worried them lol what i mean is they only seem valid in hindsight but it can be just as easily argued it has the validy of a stop clock being right twice a day. i guess well just have to wait till mt. tolland gets 2.1 inches in october and you get 85 inches that winter till you admit it was meaningless i noticed that when the next elevation storm is modeled and your calling for 2 feet atop broke back tolland mount that you are a weenie and will abandon your "october snow theory's" at the drop of a flake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELCwx Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I can think of good winters where we've had minor Oct snows..and the sample size is fairly low...but it seems if you get over an inch or so..the correlation to bad winters goes up I think you are right. There seems to be a mirror correlation as well since I seem to notice that when we have an early heat wave in late April/May/early June it is usually followed by a cooler than normal summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Weather is as chaotic as Pete's hair in gale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Even if we do get a bomb..say with the end of the week progged storm..that still doesn't make up for this winter. It would only go from an F- to an F+ Not a great Winter so far but it's not over yet. The Oct bomb alone keeps this from being an F. I've had consistent snowcover and all the Winter sports I enjoy have been available. Not an F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Starting in October cold fronts came thru but it didn't get colder..there was no blocking at all in the fall and then thru the winter in Greenland. some.trees didn't change color here till early November..there was a big Ak vortex that was pumping mild pacific air starting in early November..every Euro weekly starting in early November was a blowtorch..there wasn't any fantasy snowstorms on GFS thru early January yes that CAA in october/nov from kentucky/tennessee was a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Pete, how would you grade Nov - Feb? It has to be an F... you got 1 decent week out of 14? Failing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTWeatherFreak Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Does anybody remember the state of the NAO during the Halloween snowstorm? If negative, East based or West? Ironic that the e-wall storm history model page has every month for 2011 EXCEPT OCTOBER! Hence, I cant view the model depictions for that storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ski MRG Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Pete, how would you grade Nov - Feb? It has to be an F... you got 1 decent week out of 14? Failing January was repectable with 24" falling here. December was bogus. The end of January and start of Feb were in fact very snowy and cold for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share Posted February 11, 2012 Weather is as chaotic as Pete's hair in gale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 11, 2012 Author Share Posted February 11, 2012 Not a great Winter so far but it's not over yet. The Oct bomb alone keeps this from being an F. I've had consistent snowcover and all the Winter sports I enjoy have been available. Not an F. Oct is not winter. You don't include that in how you view this winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 in the hinterlands winter starts sep 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Does anybody remember the state of the NAO during the Halloween snowstorm? If negative, East based or West? Ironic that the e-wall storm history model page has every month for 2011 EXCEPT OCTOBER! Hence, I cant view the model depictions for that storm. NAO was slightly positive .3 or something. for october storm on CPC NAO chart history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I think you are right. There seems to be a mirror correlation as well since I seem to notice that when we have an early heat wave in late April/May/early June it is usually followed by a cooler than normal summer. i think that is the underlying belief/fear behind people's theory to get a "good snow" in october means wasting a good pattern that probably wont be around or will have "flipped" by winter or so the thinking goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larvay Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 If there were truly "signs" that an entire met. winter was going to be lousy (or great, for that matter), really smart meteorologists probably would have figured it out decades ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CT Rain Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Oct is not winter. You don't include that in how you view this winter Yet it will make this winter just as memorable as last winter, 95-96, and 93-94. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Oct is not winter. You don't include that in how you view this winter That's not what you tweeted to Matt Noyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 January was repectable with 24" falling here. December was bogus. The end of January and start of Feb were in fact very snowy and cold for me. Scweet! Hiking for the good lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 12, 2012 Author Share Posted February 12, 2012 That's not what you tweeted to Matt Noyes No I mean you count in the seasonal snow total..but it doesn't count when you grade this winter..The met winter months have blown donkey ballz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 No I mean you count in the seasonal snow total..but it doesn't count when you grade this winter..The met winter months have blown donkey ballz I would never have thought I could get more snow in Oct than Nov through Feb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
larvay Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 I would never have thought I could get more snow in Oct than Nov through Feb Obviously, Feb isn't totally in the books yet, but the odds against that happening in a given year do seem unsettlingly high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ottawa Blizzard Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 great post lots of signs posted a couple way back, edmonton and ottawa breaking their alltime record for the latest snowfall recorded ever....not exactly an easy feat and a bad sign for the rest of us. the geese is a good one, plenty of geese up here never left. i know Will has posted about october snows and the lack of correlation, but ive never seen a good winter in canada that had significant october snow. These are the two signs that I saw: 1) The October snowfall in the northeast. Note that October 1979 also saw a big snowfall in the northeast. 1979-80 was a bust 2) The mild November in Ontario, following a mild October. With the exception of November 1975, if you get a mild October and a mild November, winter is going to be warm. You can have a mild October and cold November, and still get a cold winter, but when both months are mild, forget it. 3) Joe Bastardi, accuweather, and other outlets calling for a cold winter when models kept saying otherwise. This reminded me so much of 2001-2002. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisM Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 seeing girls running around in sports bras in late December on campus told me that this winter was bound to suck. or maybe not suck, depending on how you want to spin that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherMA Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Well, I wanted 20+ snowdays this year b/c I don't have to make them up as a senior. I've gotten one. On Halloween. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Well, I wanted 20+ snowdays this year b/c I don't have to make them up as a senior. I've gotten one. On Halloween. Gardner, MA, normally a pretty snowy spot, has had...0 cancellations0 delayslol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2Otown_WX Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 I've got one...weatherwiz posting about how some psychic lady told him we would have a blizzard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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