HoarfrostHubb Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Full sun in W. Ma now. Actually a pretty nice day unless you like snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 BL temps for the loss on the cape BL temps and precip rates FTL at KTAN most were thinking .25 would be equal to 3 inches or so over SE interior mass ....too bad that .25 didn't arrive in a 2 hour period perhaps DE maine could score a field goal or better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 This reminds me of some storms in the late 80's and 90's that were just complete and utter PHAILS for all of SNE...it's like the models stepped back 20 yrs in time.. also...the warm ground and insolation didn't help in the areas that actually got decent rates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherMA Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Sunny and 38F Best winter ever :sun: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 This reminds me of some storms in the late 80's and 90's that were just complete and utter PHAILS for all of SNE...it's like the models stepped back 20 yrs in time.. also...the warm ground and insolation didn't help in the areas that actually got decent rates Yup and I noticed Box has backed off considerably for the overnight lows the next few nights. Lack of snow cover will do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Rates were never that great to begin with. 1/2sm snow would have gotten people down to 32f. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 i got down to 3/4mi vis early this AM. Other than that it's been 1-1/2 to 2mi. Precip looks just about done. 0.16" according to wunderground and about 0.05" of that was rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Radar shows it has been snowing in the Medfield area all day and KOWD has been reporting light snow. Anyone have measurements out there? there is no accumulation there based on no where outside of 128 seeing any thing accumulate since sun up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 scott/phil did the 0z euro cut QPF over SE mass/cape or did it blow to the end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Pretty tough to get snow when LP is tracking about 125 miles east off shore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Rates were never that great to begin with. 1/2sm snow would have gotten people down to 32f. The one forecast I got correct was the warm ground and solar insolation..but I take no solace in that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmanmitch Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Total dud here like everywhere else. Had about 1-2 mm of snow instead of 1-2 inches, which has since melted under the rising mid February sun angle. I'm expecting some upslope snow shower activity in these parts as the CAA gets cranking later on. Radars off to the west look a bit intriguing to me as lingering moisture will get wrung out by upslope and CAA. Not expecting much, but I'll take whatever flake I can get. Who knows...maybe Pete, MPM, or I will get lucky and get an inch or two. Unlike Pete, mostly bare ground here. About 25-30% coverage, mostly in the woods and shady areas. Strange little enclave of snow cover on the east slope thanks to the cold air trapping that occurs there during torches. Even the crest at 2K+ can get warmer than a little ways down on the east slope like where Pete is. Weird little phenomenon that is present all the time, but has made itself particularly evident this winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 The one forecast I got correct was the warm ground and solar insolation..but I take no solace in that We mentioned that. We said if you have like 1.5 to 2sm light snow, it won't add to much. It's not the sun. Same thing would happen in late December. Just didn't come together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 We mentioned that. We said if you have like 1.5 to 2sm light snow, it won't add to much. It's not the sun. Same thing would happen in late December. Just didn't come together. I dunno..I don't believe for a second that the Cape/TAN areas etc.. would have had trouble sticking and stacking up 2-4 inches at least if not more with a low sun angle, and short days like in Dec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 In spite of still having snow on the ground (though coverage has really diminished in the last two days), I hereby declare this "the winter of the weenie's blueballs". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Cant get fringed any closer then that........lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisM Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 LOL. Got to work at 7 am. It was snowing lightly. Sun was out by 9ish and all of the snow which fell (all 2mm of it) melted by about 11. Where are you spring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I'm still surprised how warm its been in New England in general with H850s decently below 0C. Just goes to show how we are starting to move into the time of year when SFC temps will become a lot more important than just looking at the H85 temps to predict snow. If those previous NAM bomb runs verified it would actually probably be warmer in Gods Country than Eastern MA if they got under heavy snowfall bands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N. OF PIKE Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I dunno..I don't believe for a second that the Cape/TAN areas etc.. would have had trouble sticking and stacking up 2-4 inches at least if not more with a low sun angle, and short days like in Dec agree if this was early dec thru mid-late january they stick much better since it's borderline now. (not a huge difference ....but today just that lil bit would be all it takes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I'm still surprised how warm its been in New England in general with H850s decently below 0C. Just goes to show how we are starting to move into the time of year when SFC temps will become a lot more important than just looking at the H85 temps to predict snow. If those previous NAM bomb runs verified it would actually probably be warmer in Gods Country than Eastern MA if they got under heavy snowfall bands. Yeah--it really is a bit chilly in Charlemont. Meanwhile, took advantage of the snow-free Saturday to kick off our burning season. Daughter and wife decided to roast some marshmallows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaineJayhawk Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Little to no accum to speak of considering it's been snowing all day. Much the same here. It snowed hard enough and long enough this morning to put 0.1" on the board, but despite the steady light snow over the next 4 or 5 hours it didn't accumulate. This winter ... what can you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 We finished with about 0.5" in Worcester before I arrived up here in N Chelmsford, it was sunny in Worcetser right as I was leaving...it looks like SE MA never was able to attain moderate to heavy snow which was the killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Well, We will try again for a storm next saturday.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I dunno..I don't believe for a second that the Cape/TAN areas etc.. would have had trouble sticking and stacking up 2-4 inches at least if not more with a low sun angle, and short days like in Dec I'm with you on this one... I know folks have been poo-pooing the sun angle argument and but the fact of the matter is, from here on out, light & marginal snow events will get harder and harder to accumulate. Of course this does not apply to bombs away type storms with 20-30+dbz, but any 0.1-0.25"/6-hrly type deal will certainly be a bit harder to accumulate during the afternoon hours from here on out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hambone Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Does it still look like low 20s for a high with 18mph winds in Central Mass for tomorrow? I have a 9:30 tee time, but that would keep me home. Played 18 yesterday, beautiful day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I'm with you on this one... I know folks have been poo-pooing the sun angle argument and but the fact of the matter is, from here on out, light & marginal snow events will get harder and harder to accumulate. Of course this does not apply to bombs away type storms with 20-30+dbz, but any 0.1-0.25"/6-hrly type deal will certainly be a bit harder to accumulate during the afternoon hours from here on out. The airmass was marginal to begin with...so even in late Dec, this would have had trouble down in SE MA...probably slightly less trouble than today, but the difference was most certainly not 4-5" vs 1.5"...maybe Phil would have had 2.3" or something if it was New Years instead of 1.5". When you have 1-2 mile visibility light snow in a marginal airmass, it will be lousy accumulation rates even with a lower sun angle. They were progged to get several hours of 1/2 to 1/4 mile mod/heavy snow which was the biggest killer in the forecast. I think people like to overplay the sun angle argument when an event doesn't get as heavy as forecast and we are beyond a certain time of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 agree if this was early dec thru mid-late january they stick much better since it's borderline now. (not a huge difference ....but today just that lil bit would be all it takes) You guys are both wrong. Marginal rates and days of 45-50 temps are the killer. Same thing would have occurred in dec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 You guys are both wrong. Marginal rates and days of 45-50 temps are the killer. Same thing would have occurred in dec. Yeah, ground was pretty warm to begin with. Did not really get cold overnight. Even here it was 33F at midnight after being in the mid to upper 40s during the day Still had some sticking for a little while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S&P Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 White rain most of the morning. The more it snowed the less we accumulated OTG. 5 miles south in middletown got a solid 1". Pretty much ll melted now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 I'm with you on this one... I know folks have been poo-pooing the sun angle argument and but the fact of the matter is, from here on out, light & marginal snow events will get harder and harder to accumulate. Of course this does not apply to bombs away type storms with 20-30+dbz, but any 0.1-0.25"/6-hrly type deal will certainly be a bit harder to accumulate during the afternoon hours from here on out. I wholeheartedly agree and I think most in the know do as well. If the ground had been cold today that certainly would have helped..but if you get a warm ground and asun angle that is as high in the sky as mid Oct as it is now..it's just not going to be able to accumulate well in a low 30's type of airmass. This even came in at a good time for the Cape..It started snowing there right around sunrise..the coldest part of the day when the sun was still low.. Now if temps were in the 20's it would have accumulated better..but still would accumulate like it would in Late Dec or jan I took alot of crap for that...but when Frank from BOX who is a very good met had it in the afd the other day..we knew it was legit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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